Separating Sound Effects, Dialogue and Music?

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[JetSetWilly]

Right, Im having no end of problems. Basically, I found out Robocop 2 is in Dolby Surround. Now, I've ripped the soundtrack from the dvd as .wav files, and tried to convert them into channels, which worked, but both the music and speech are in both tracks, not matter what I've tried :-| After trying Audacity, foobar2000 and the others (whos names escape me for the moment), I'm getting quite fed up. I've a feeling it's because of them being in Dolby Surround. Please tell me I'm wrong, and that it's a simple solution, as I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall!!

 

[lpd]

Hi Jetset.
You will find that most movies dont have perfectly separate speech / effects/ music channels especially if its an older movie that may have been converted to surround sound from stereo.

 

[JetSetWilly]

Hi Jetset.
You will find that most movies dont have perfectly separate speech / effects/ music channels especially if its an older movie that may have been converted to surround sound from stereo.

Ah, b*****ks! I thought as much. Ok, then, next question: is there some sort of program that will isolate the music/speech, and let you mute it (or am I being a pillock?)?
Oh, and thanks for the reply btw

 

[lpd]

There are programs that claim to be able to do that but I dont think theres any that can do it properly. Your best bet is while editing trying to isolate the speech word for word and filling in the music behind, yes its a pain in the arse!

 

[JetSetWilly]

There are programs that claim to be able to do that but I dont think theres any that can do it properly. Your best bet is while editing trying to isolate the speech word for word and filling in the music behind, yes its a pain in the arse!

That's what I was thinking of doing, but seeing as my editing skills are quite inept at the moment anyway, I'd probably end up deleting everything :lol:
Cheers for your help

 

[TomH1138]

I don't know if this helps at all or not, JetSetWilly, but here's a conversation that I had with Reave about trying to separate the music from the dialogue on the 1986 movie Labyrinth:

http://www.fanedit.org/forums/showt...th-Through-Dangers-Untold&highlight=labyrinth

I haven't actually tried Besweet myself yet, in part because I've had other technical difficulties with Labyrinth that have led to my setting it aside for the time being.

I'm sure that Reaves' advice is sound - I just don't know if it applies in your situation. It's probably worth giving a try, though.

Hope this helps!

 

[TV's Frink]

besweet separates a 5.1 ac3 file into six separate mono wav files. If your source is 2.0, besweet will not be able to extract a dialogue-only center channel.

 

[JetSetWilly]

I don't know if this helps at all or not, JetSetWilly, but here's a conversation that I had with Reave about trying to separate the music from the dialogue on the 1986 movie Labyrinth:

http://www.fanedit.org/forums/showt...th-Through-Dangers-Untold&highlight=labyrinth

I haven't actually tried Besweet myself yet, in part because I've had other technical difficulties with Labyrinth that have led to my setting it aside for the time being.

I'm sure that Reaves' advice is sound - I just don't know if it applies in your situation. It's probably worth giving a try, though.

Hope this helps!

It's a step in the right direction, but I got so naffed off with BeSweet (it wouldn't convert them, just put a file with 0 bytes in the folder), that I just deleted it out of frustration. However, I've had to resort to drastic measures, and I think I may have come up trumps. I found a version that's 5.1, so I've got that. I just hope it IS 5.1, and not in sodding Dolby Surround again :|

Thanks anyway, I'll try it if this goes belly up.

Just a heads up, it's only gone and bloody worked!! I can now do the idea I had earlier: replace ALL the music, with cues from both Robocop AND Starship Troopers (as they both sound near enough alike anyway), or I might use S.T and something else (probably something else sci-fi-ish)

 

[Uncanny Antman]

Wait...you found a version of Robocop 2 that had discreet dialogue with no music bleed at all? What country is it from? All the versions I've tried still had music bleeding through all the channels.

 

[JetSetWilly]

Wait...you found a version of Robocop 2 that had discreet dialogue with no music bleed at all? What country is it from? All the versions I've tried still had music bleeding through all the channels.

I was a little to eager in my posting on that one, UA. I found the speech was higher on the channel 3 track, but I only tried the first few minutes. Unfortunately, there was still music, and I've tried putting it through audacity and doing the invert thing (which still doesn't work), so it looks like I'm going to have to be creative. One thing I did do, was find the theme from the tv show of The Incredible Hulk called The Lonely Man (quite poignant, I think), and I've put it on the scene where Murphy drives by his wife's house (I've shortened it, obviously), and it does near enough mute the music to that scene. Still, I'm always on the look out for a program that can scan the file, and mute the music, but I've more chances of finding Wally/Waldo thank that. If I do find something though, I'll post back and let you know.

 

[Uncanny Antman]

Dang. Oh well, no worse off than we were before.

 

[JetSetWilly]

Dang. Oh well, no worse off than we were before.

I know. I'm tearing my hair out at MGM's ineptitude. Surely a movie like Robocop 2 should have had a proper 5.1 sound mix, and not some crappy dolby surround job. Am currently putting it through Goldwave, inverting it, trying noise removal, and then reverting it back. Probably make it ten times worse than before, but it's worth a shot.

 

[Uncanny Antman]

It's not ineptitude. There are actually very, very few films that are mixed in a way that means they can be pulled apart cleanly. It's always a precious little fan editing gift when you happen upon one.

 

[TV's Frink]

The Room's center channel is almost all dialogue only.

 

[BladeRunner391]

The Room's center channel is almost all dialogue only.

 

[tranzor]

It's not ineptitude. There are actually very, very few films that are mixed in a way that means they can be pulled apart cleanly. It's always a precious little fan editing gift when you happen upon one.

Curious, is it the same sound mix on the MGM blu ray version?

 

[JetSetWilly]

Curious, is it the same sound mix on the MGM blu ray version?

It probably is, but I don't think it's been done properly. Either that, or it's the best they could do.