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nostromo777 said:i have yet to hear back from the management here about getting it approved
Vultural said:End of summer.
Could be on vacation.
Patience.
00.30.00 - The zoom in and close-up of the bike wheel looks strange, considering the bikes do not now appear. It's also obvious that Ferrara magically disappears from one shot to the other. A "match cut" that clearly doesn't match is a fanediting no no. Why not simply cut from the closeup of Bond saying "Luigi, I'll see you later", to the shot of Melina hurrying down the street.
00.31.56 - The sleigh-ride music abruptly stops as we hard-cut to Locque. Either have the music naturally end before the cut (by retiming it), or fade the music out slowly after the cut. Switching the music off at the same instant as the cut sounds and looks like a glitch in the video.
01.05.00 - Audio pop glitch as we cut to submarine interior.
01.06.15 - Tiny audio pop as we cut to ship interior.
01.06.59 - Audio glitch as we cut to the first POV from the enemy diver. By the way, wouldn't the first loud hit of the strings on the tension-music be better timed with the clunk when Bond pulls away the "Transmitter with the Thermite Charge"?
01.08.29 - There is a noticeable audio jump here. I think it's where you cut the "James help" line. A little more smoothing and cross-fading should sort that.
01.08.52 - Another audio glitch where you cut some of the underwater scuffle (just before the crash through the glass).
01.09.02 - It's difficult to tell as the music is loud but I think there is another soundFX pop just after the tear in Bond's suit.
01.09.02 - Audio pop as James and Melina are climbing up the submarine (you cut one closeup shot). I suggest revisiting every audio edit in this submarine sequence because a lot of them seem to be at fault.
01.13.10 - I think I hear another audio pop under the big brass sound on the score. In fact I can hear several pops throughout the whole shark scene.
01.20.04 - This is the most serious problem. As we slowly pan across the ridge, there is a distorted buzzing sound (in just the left speaker I think?). Not sure if this is an audio glitch, or some misplaced soundFX but it's not right.
00.00.00 - The text at the beginning (explaining your intent with the edit) is very long (a minute). I've been criticised before, for having overlong intros to a couple of my edits, so something to think about. I'm sure it could be trimmed carefully and still give the same info. Personally I don't mind because I can just skip past the intro on future viewings.
00.11.36 - Sheena Easton fades out too quickly as we cut to Moneypenny. Is this because you used the movie audio for the song and not a CD or something. This youtube stream of the audio has a beautiful outro that goes on for 17 seconds past the point where your piece ends (yours ends about 02.45 into this clip). Those 17 seconds could be used to really make the climb-down from the song as smooth as silk.
00.15.04 - The music fades too quick as Bond hears the snap of a branch. Could it not have been blended into the next piece of music, which occurs seconds later?
00.17.04 - As the car blows up the new score doesn't "react" in any way, the music continues as if the chase was still on. It's fine but a moment of quiet, a change of pace, or a moment of tension in the music would have sounded more professional.
00.17.25 - The exciting music stops a second too late here for perfect comedy timing, as Bond clocks the 2CV. Still, it's a great improvement over the cheesy sting that originally played.
00.17.45 - Having the chase music play during the conversation between Bond and Melina feels odd. If they are in the immediate level of danger that the exciting re-scoring implies, how have they got time to chat? It should feel like they are chatting because they THINK they have gotten away scott free, then at 00.18.03 they realise they haven't and the music should kick back in.
00.20.04 - The music doesn't really react to the rollover of the 2CV
00.20.10 - I'm hearing "Go backwards qu". It either needs to be "Go backwards quickly", or "Go backwards".
00.20.26 - The Bond theme feels like it comes in too soon here. When Bond slams on the breaks (00.20.29) and makes the other guys crash (like a boss) is when it should play. Now you've got it coming in when the badguy hits center frame, making me feel like he is Bond LOL
00.21.06 - I noticed you sadly cut Bond's "Love a drive in the country don't you??" and Melina laughing at it. That line was a classic "cool under pressure" charming Bond quip and Melina laughing at it suggests she's already warming to Bond. Just my personal preference.
00.21.24 - The end part of the Bond theme comes a second too late here IMO. The end phrase should start precisely as (or just before) we cut to the hapless guys stuck in the tree, not one second after.
00.23.15 - The end of the minister briefing scene feels too abrupt. I had a go at editing it, how about this version with the annoying "mmmm" silenced to just a nod of agreement and the scene finishing more naturally with Bond walking out:
00.24.11 - The "indentigraph" scene is too rushed. A couple more crossfades, and snatches of dialogue would imply the passage of time better. A scene ending as soon as it has begun, is one of those things that can make a film look "fanedited", in a bad way. 01.56 into this scene from Blade Runner is a prime example of how to edit something like this (with lines and video fading across each other)...
00.30.38 - I think the new music during the sleigh-ride is too loud under the dialogue?
00.42.22 - As it cuts from the pin, to the casino exterior, the soundFX change sounds too abrupt. Just a little more smoothing is needed.
00.48.16 - Ideally we should hear a reaction in the score, to the surprise zoom in on Melina.
00.52.30 - I thought the dubbed "Get in" line was muffled and hard to hear, then I checked the original and it's like that there as well. You could still silence the line if you wanted?
00.52.46 - The score rises just at the exact moment Bond says "Goodbye countess", if you shifted the score back, or forward by a second it wouldn't interrupt this line.
00.59.07 - I've always thought the editing was flawed at this point in the film. We see two shots of the ropes being shot out, then a reaction shot of Locque as he suddenly looks up as if the barrels are coming at him, then finally a shot of the back of a man with the same haircut as Locque being crushed by the barrels. This originally made me think Locque had been crushed and caused confusion when he is shown to be unhurt several seconds later. You could move the reaction shot to after the guy is crushed, so it's visually clearer.
01.06.59 - I think removing the audio of the enemy diver's Darth-Vader-Like breathing really lessons the tension of the first long POV shot because now it's not at all clear that we are seeing his POV approaching our heroes (and not just some footage of the boat interior)
01.08.07 - As the enemy diver bursts in, there is a noticeable lack of soundFX until he knocks Bond down, 8 seconds later. It wouldn't take much. A few bubble sounds etc just so we subconsciously know the audio hasn't switched off.
01.16.27 - The fade down of the score as they climb the ladder is noticeably too sudden.
01.25.37 - After the "...one of Kritastos' killers" line, the absence of the Bond theme that originally plays was really felt by me. A rare moment in this edit when I thought "This is nowhere near as good as the original score". The original score feels like it has a little celebration of how awesome Bond is for reaching the top of St. Cyril's alive, the new score just continues the tension music like nothing has been achieved.
01.33.52 - The score while Bond is confronting and talking to Melina is too loud IMO.
01.35.14 - Just after the "...has a new sponsor" line, there is a second of silence underneath the new score. If you extended the helicopter and wind sound a little and faded it out more gradually, it'd go smoother into the transition.
01.36.17 - The move from the quiet piano piece, to the full score sounded abrupt as we cut to the credits. Is there anything that could be done to remix, or re-time this?
01.36.17 - I'm not sure about the new credit music. I miss not having the FYEO theme reprised. There is an instrumental with some fine Spanish Guitar...
...but if you wanted to avoid that 80s sound, did you hear this beautiful just Spanish Guitar style cover...?
Last comment: I think the Blofeld helicopter intro for Bond is one of the greatest shot and edited action sequences of all time. The integration of live-action, model-work and studio footage is blended so well, and Bond is such a badass. I know it's got little to do with the overall plot and I know the way you've removed it is how the movie was originally supposed to start (IIRC) but I am sad it's not here, especially as I'd like to have seen how you rescored it. I've considered doing this kind of edit with FYEO for several years (many here on FE.org have discussed it too) and I'd always planned to keep the helicopter scene for after the titles. Sheena Easton's theme fading over Bond at his wife's grave would have been nice. Your edit not having this scene would prevent this from forever replacing my FYEO blu-ray (which it otherwise would have). This is of course your edit and you should cut what you want to cut. Obviously you'd want to cut nonsense like the "A Delicatessen in Stainless Steel" line. This person on youtube did a pretty good John Barry rescore but it's lacking the finesse in the soundFX replacement department that I'm sure you would achieve:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8w1IFCCJTM[/video]
Please consider at least making a rescore of this scene a bonus feature for the edit.
nostromo777 said:on the helicoptor sequence... i may consider making two edits of this. one which retains the original cold open. I do like the graveyard scene, and the helicopter stunts are amazing.
nostromo777 said:regarding the motorcycles, i like the foreshadowing that shows that the villians are following them, but an attack in broad daylight in a crowded village makes no sense. the attack on the slopes makes more sense, as they know the cover is blown, and they just need to Kill him before he gets away.
nostromo777 said:regarding the opening theme fading out too early, the extended "climb down" was not included in the original theatrical version either
nostromo777 said:Regarding end credits... I wanted to find a instrumental version of the theme, but they all sounded too 80s. Saxaphones... drums... etc.
00.02.10 - Big problem here, between the guy going inside the ship and him saying "My watch" at 00.03.07, there is no sound in one or more of the front speakers. The left is 100% silent, maybe the center is too but I didn't check (the rear ones should be checked too). I went back and checked your V1 edit and the problem is there too but since that version was stereo, it is much less noticeable. Presumably the downmix is giving some sort of sound in the left channel masking the error some.(EDIT: HAS BEEN FIXED ALREADY)
00.20.07 - I am still hearing "go backwards qu...", instead of "go backwards", or even "go backwards quickly". I'm sure it just needs the line to end/fade a fraction of a second earlier.
00.24.53 - There is a flash of a few black frames as we cut from the Minister, to Bond driving through the snow.
00.34.38 - Just after the music sting and Bond's pole being shot off and before Bond skies off there is a moment of total silence that sounds very odd. If the music is silent at that point, add in a little wind in the trees, some rustling of clothes, the sound of the Pole flying through the air, the sound of Bond moving in the snow, or anything really to paper over that bit. Film soundscapes are almost never totally silent. Compare with 00.34.21 where Bond is just reaching for his gun and the amount of soundFX that are going on.
00.34.52 - As stuntman Bond is doing that midair twirl there is a loud electronic glitch distortion (just after the music sting). I checked and it was in V1 too but I must have missed it due to the stereo being mixed down.
00.55.34 - Somewhere around the middle the sound becomes out of sync with the video. I wasn't 100%, maybe I was imagining it but I was sure when I saw Colombo slam the two glasses down at this point and sound is maybe a second after.
00.00.00 - Love the tasteful text intro explaining the edit. Classy.
00.11.28 - I really don't like the fade-to-black+crossfade to Moneypenny, it doesn't look very professional. However, I can't fault the improved soundmix technically, so if you are happy with it, that's okay. Also I'm still gutted that the helicopter scene is cut but you know that already .
00.17.42 - Having no music between 00.17.42 and 00.18.05 where Bond and Melina are talking sounds just right now. Perfect job.
00.21.25 - The retiming of the music as the villains are in the tree and Bond escapes is also perfect now.
00.24.15 - I personally think the new crossfade during the identigraph scene is worse (it looks "fanedited" in a bad way IMO) but there isn't anything technically wrong with it, so if you are happy with it, that's okay.
00.29.54 - Recut of Luigi/bike shot is also perfect now, as is the new mysterious sounding music cue that times with the pan onto the bike wheel. Great job!
00.33.05 - It occurs to me that the "Don't grow up anymore..." lines to Bibi don't really make any sense with her other scenes cut. It's a minor issue and cutting just those lines would be almost impossible. However, it would be possible to cut from Erich sking away (as Bibi shouts after him), straight to Locque getting in his car and the bikes preparing to attack Bond, then when we go back to Bond he has already left Bibi and is sking round that hill. Just an optional idea?
00.37.58 - The timing of the Bond theme kicking in as he jumps over Erich is so badass!
00.34.50 - It would be nice to fix the colour timing of some of these back projection shots in the edit. A few shots like this aren't even close to matching the location footage. It's bright green! A little regrading would solve it. There are others, this was just one example and one of the worst. Saying that, most of the process-shots in FYEO are very well done, some I really can't tell what is studio and what is location.
00.40.04 - As Erich crashes his bike there is a real lack of "impact" in the soundmx. I don't know if it's because the new score is relatively quiet as he makes contact with the logs, compared to the old score and so the old soundFX are revealed to be "thin". Here is one example of an appropriate sound found by searching for "logs". Combine it with other snow soundfx and you'd have a great impact sound: https://freesound.org/people/Jagadamba/sounds/258041/
00.40.09 - The brief bit of lowkey Bond theme between here and 00.40.33 (as Erich is throwing his bike) is a rare point in the rescore that doesn't feel natural now. It doesn't gel with what is happening on screen IMO. It's not saying "Erich is angry that Bond beat him" to me. After the big brash Bond theme has played during the chase it would be fine to have 30-seconds of no music as a natural break with just the soundFX of Erich's fury before restarting the score as Bond arrives at the Hockey arena.
01.03.51 - Maybe the music cue as we cut to the sub is a bit loud and full-on for this moment? Something more mysterious and less action-orientated would work better.
01.15.48 - I realised you've cut Bond and Melina going for the Scuba tank in the temple, to make the enemy think they are dead. I thought this was a really good moment showing our two heroes outsmarting Kristatos. Not sure why you'd want to cut it?
01.25.29 - I'm still really missing the celebratory Bond theme playing when Bond has reached the top of St. Cyrills. The tension music that plays as Bond gets the lift going is an excellent choice overall but not for this short moment.
01.36.16 - The new black screen as the piano dies away ending is much better and quite beautiful. It could perhaps be black for less time before the credits come in? Might be worth having a third go at perfecting it.
thanks!00.00.00 - Love the tasteful text intro explaining the edit. Classy.
switching to an "Iris" transition, as ths method is used in other Bond films00.11.28 - I really don't like the fade-to-black+crossfade to Moneypenny, it doesn't look very professional. However, I can't fault the improved soundmix technically, so if you are happy with it, that's okay. Also I'm still gutted that the helicopter scene is cut but you know that already undefined .
thanks!00.17.42 - Having no music between 00.17.42 and 00.18.05 where Bond and Melina are talking sounds just right now. Perfect job.
00.21.25 - The retiming of the music as the villains are in the tree and Bond escapes is also perfect now.
ive been messing with this scene, and didnt like anything i tried. The only way to use the "Blade Runner" style was to incorporate shots of the horrible identigraph graphics. If i did that, I may as well leave the scene as originally edited. Im not sure if anything will be ideal.00.24.15 - I personally think the new crossfade during the identigraph scene is worse (it looks "fanedited" in a bad way IMO) but there isn't anything technically wrong with it, so if you are happy with it, that's okay.
thanks00.29.54 - Recut of Luigi/bike shot is also perfect now, as is the new mysterious sounding music cue that times with the pan onto the bike wheel. Great job!
thats an option, but I feel the line makes sense as is. Its obvious she's a flirt, so the line makes sense to me.00.33.05 - It occurs to me that the "Don't grow up anymore..." lines to Bibi don't really make any sense with her other scenes cut. It's a minor issue and cutting just those lines would be almost impossible. However, it would be possible to cut from Erich sking away (as Bibi shouts after him), straight to Locque getting in his car and the bikes preparing to attack Bond, then when we go back to Bond he has already left Bibi and is sking round that hill. Just an optional idea?
thanks!00.37.58 - The timing of the Bond theme kicking in as he jumps over Erich is so badass!
fixed00.34.50 - It would be nice to fix the colour timing of some of these back projection shots in the edit. A few shots like this aren't even close to matching the location footage. It's bright green! A little regrading would solve it. There are others, this was just one example and one of the worst. Saying that, most of the process-shots in FYEO are very well done, some I really can't tell what is studio and what is location.
the original mix lacked impact as well, so im going to leave that as-is.00.40.04 - As Erich crashes his bike there is a real lack of "impact" in the soundmx. I don't know if it's because the new score is relatively quiet as he makes contact with the logs, compared to the old score and so the old soundFX are revealed to be "thin". Here is one example of an appropriate sound found by searching for "logs". Combine it with other snow soundfx and you'd have a great impact sound: https://freesound.org/people/Jagadamba/sounds/258041/
tried that and I dont like it. i like the low key, as it compliments the absurdity of Eric picking up a motorcycle and throwing it. Bond knows he has won, and isnt threatened by Eric's futile attempt of throwing a motorcycle. I considered editing out the motorcycle throw all together, but i decided it was fun to have the bit of comic relief.00.40.09 - The brief bit of lowkey Bond theme between here and 00.40.33 (as Erich is throwing his bike) is a rare point in the rescore that doesn't feel natural now. It doesn't gel with what is happening on screen IMO. It's not saying "Erich is angry that Bond beat him" to me. After the big brash Bond theme has played during the chase it would be fine to have 30-seconds of no music as a natural break with just the soundFX of Erich's fury before restarting the score as Bond arrives at the Hockey arena.
I like the music cue, but I agree its too loud at the scene cut. Ill lower it.01.03.51 - Maybe the music cue as we cut to the sub is a bit loud and full-on for this moment? Something more mysterious and less action-orientated would work better.
it works without it, and I dont believe it shows them outsmarting. How were they "smart" enough to leave a full loaded tank in the first place? I think its more believable that they just stayed out of sight, and that Kristatos just thinks theyre dead.01.15.48 - I realised you've cut Bond and Melina going for the Scuba tank in the temple, to make the enemy think they are dead. I thought this was a really good moment showing our two heroes outsmarting Kristatos. Not sure why you'd want to cut it?
Im not sure I agree. I experimented with other music, but couldnt find anything that worked.01.25.29 - I'm still really missing the celebratory Bond theme playing when Bond has reached the top of St. Cyrills. The tension music that plays as Bond gets the lift going is an excellent choice overall but not for this short moment.
01.36.16 - The new black screen as the piano dies away ending is much better and quite beautiful. It could perh
aps be black for less time before the credits come in? Might be worth having a third go at perfecting it.
nostromo777 said:TM2YC said:01.15.48 - I realised you've cut Bond and Melina going for the Scuba tank in the temple, to make the enemy think they are dead. I thought this was a really good moment showing our two heroes outsmarting Kristatos.
I dont believe it shows them outsmarting. How were they "smart" enough to leave a full loaded tank in the first place?
which to be honest isn't unlike many Bond villains
00.11.28 - The new Iris-wipe to Moneypenny is exactly what this transition needed. Looks like a Pro-Bond effect now. Great idea! If I was being picky, the edges of the circle would look better slightly feathered. A 1981 optical effect wouldn't have digitally sharp edges.
00.20.09 - I see you reverted to the original "Go backwards forwards quickly". I think you could've made the edited line work (tricky as it was) but unedited is of course fine too.
00.24.53 - Black frame has been fixed between the minister and Italy/snow shot.
00.34.38 - I think the soundFX as Bond's ski-pole flys off could be a touch louder but it just about works.
00.34.51 - I think the back projection shot that was too green in the original movie, is now too pink in the fanedit but it's no worse. Halfway between the two would be perfect though.
00.34.52 - The new "woosh" soundFX as Bond does the spin ski stunt sounds awesome. Nice work.
00.38.40 - I noticed there is a way-too-green back projection here too (just before Bonds leaps onto the table)
01.01.18 - Just wanted to mention again how cool the Bond theme sounds when he kills Locque. It honestly gives me goosebumps.
01.03.49 - The music sting as we cut to the sub is still sounding too loud to me, especially as it's under Melina's dialogue. It's fine but would sound better mixed slightly lower IMO.
01.25.08 - I already said in PMs but the two retimed music cues as Bond is waving the strike-team up sound spot on now.
- Great having the new bonus isolated score track to enjoy. The overall volume seems much lower than the movie audio though. It's not a major problem but I thought I'd mention it anyway.