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Masirimso17 said:I really hope this will stand next to There and B-- oh, sorry... The Battle of the Five Armies (ugh, seriously?)
Neglify said:Nice, looking forward to checking this one out.
Aztek463 said:I felt the same way when they announced the title change. The justification for it was understandable, but it's a really unweildy title. They did say that "There and Back Again" would be used on the trilogy collection and such, so it's not totally gone.
Also, ranger613, a question: when you edit AUJ, are you going to edit the theatrical cut or the extended cut? And, a second question I guess ( ) are you going to redo this edit when the extended version of DOS comes out, or just leave it as it? Just curious.
ranger613 said:Hi there, thanks for the thumbs up. I agree with you totally about Hobbit 1, and about the title of Part 3. The book was good enough without needing a ton of extraneous stuff thrown in.
Bolg/Azog are not 100% cut out. Bolg still attacks Mirkwood, and Azog attacks Gandalf. About the ring tho, I kept a few instances of its evil in--ie when hes at Beorns house, when fighting the spiders, and in Smaug's lair. The only one I cut is when they are standing outside Mirkwood and he is tempted by the ring. This felt terribly shoehorned in, and with Saurons eye on top of it? I felt ithey were trying too hard to remind us the ring is evil, and I cut it, but there are plenty of hints the ring is evil throughout the rest of the movie.
I hope you enjoy this edit. Please let me know what you think!
kellenpure said:Last night I watched your DOS edit to escape the din of my 11 year old daughter's sleep over party. Thank the gods for good noise cancelling headphones! I tend to watch movies solo on my PC, which has a quality monitor, better than my TV. The video quality was excellent, and the audio good as well. Maybe others with higher fidelity systems will find otherwise, but for my purposes I was very satisfied with the technical aspect of the edit. I once again enjoyed the spectacle and detail of this Peter Jackson series. I can enjoy the movies on the manifestation of Middle Earth in itself.
Man I sound brutal! But I'm giving honest feedback here, and remember this is just one opinion of what I look for in the movie. I am a long time Tolkien fan, read all of the books, so I'm very picky. I don't necessarily need a strict following of the books, but I don't want an arcade action movie. I most sincerely appreciate your efforts, ranger, seeing as how I have no fanedit skill myself! PEACE
Aztek463 said:One thing I forgot to mention earlier that I remembered when kellenpure mentioned it: the river chase. Now, I generally liked the scene, it was certainly inventive and something we don't see very often. However, one gripe I had with the theatrical version (and every version of this film, fan edit or no) are the first person shots that look like they were filmed with a GoPro camera. You know them when you see them. Not a bad idea, but out of place for a film like this. Most reviews of the film have said the same thing on the matter.
I can see why the bit with the dwarves in the mountain might be a point of contention for some. As was discussed earlier with including Gandalf, I think the scene with the dwarves trying to kill Smaug works for this film as it's cut. Had the confrontation with Smaug been a midpoint in the film (like it would have been had this remained two films) a big action scene would have been too much. But seeing as it serves as the climax (and this is an epic action/adventure/fantasy film) ending without a huge confrontation would have felt, well, anti-climactic. Granted, the "loud film, quiet climax" worked for World War Z, but I don't think DOS could be edited (with the material on hand) in the same manner.
Moe_Syzlak said:I mostly agree with kellenpure. Overall there's a lot to like about this and it is certainly an improvement over the theatrical cut. That said, deeper cuts ARE needed IMO. The majority of the barrel scene needs to go. It's another awful video game like action sequence that totally takes me out of the movie. I'd trim it WAY down similar to how kerr handled the Goblin Town sequence. The Legolas and Tauriel stuff is the worst offender.
I think the dwarves confrontation with Smaug is okay but again I'd trim more. I personally think, if possible, getting rid of all molten gold would drastically improve this whole scene.
The way you handled Laketown definitely worked for me. I really hated most of that stuff in the theatrical cut. For me, I guess, it comes down to feeling more cuts are needed, more silliness needs to be removed. I've always said PJ seems to be trying to stradle the line of keeping these films lighter a la the source material and having them fit with the LotR trilogy and it doesn't work. The best edits to me are the ones that embrace the latter and remove the silliness.
Masirimso17 said:I don't get what's wrong with the barrel scene, I thought it was awesome!
ranger613 said:P.S> How do you "mention" someone in a post? Sorry.
hbenthow said:I think that a big part of the reason a lot of the people don't like parts of the barrel scene is because it's so overblown and cartoonish (not so much just that it's different from the book). Peter Jackson has had that problem for quite a few years now. One of the most noticeable previous examples is in his "King Kong": Kong juggles Ann Darrow all over the place, while fighting three dinosaurs and falling off a cliff, and she barely has a scratch.
Click the "Go Advanced" button. In the options above the text field, you should be able to find the mention button (it's blue and looks sort of like a speaker), and is all the way on the right on the bottom row of options.
ranger613 said:P.S> How do you "mention" someone in a post? Sorry.
ranger613 said:And the GoPro annoyed me too--but cutting it was very difficult (I tried), because the audio kept getting screwed up--I couldn't excise just those segments without losing chunks of the barrel sequence, which I thought was ok. But yes, if I do another alternate cut (with a new title), they will go!
ranger613 said:The "Book cut" will have a new name and new editing so that it isn't simply a watered down version of this edit--I may even consider padding it with Unexpected Journey--make a pure book cut.. we'll see... Lemme know if this is something that interests you. Cheers! And thanks again.
ranger613 said:Another question about this edit-- the scene in the lair where Thorin holds a blade up to prevent Bilbo from getting past him and threatening him--I wanted to cut this as it did not seem logical. But I left it in because it highlighted how greedy these dwarves actually were in real life... Is it better to leave this in?
Aztek463 said:I would leave it in. I dunno if I would go as far to say that all dwarves are greedy, but it shows what Elrond was talking about in AUJ...the corruption of the line of Durin. You're right, it isn't logical, but at that time, Thorin isn't exactly being logical.