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Star Wars Legends appreciation thread (spoilers for all things Star wars)

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TVs Frink said:
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I think we can all agree on one thing...

luke.jpg


:D

I'm struggling to figure out how this makes any sense.

I think it's a reference to the Force Awakens (as the Hosian system is where the Death Star 3 (err I mean Starkiller base) blew up a few  planets).
 

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wilhelm scream said:
TVs Frink said:
Gaith said:
I think we can all agree on one thing...

luke.jpg


:D

I'm struggling to figure out how this makes any sense.

I think it's a reference to the Force Awakens (as the Hosian system is where the Death Star 3 (err I mean Starkiller base) blew up a few  planets).

I know.

It's the wording that makes no sense.  "Jump on it yourself?"  Like, killing himself won't do anything...and if it means take care of the galaxy, why show that image then?

What am I missing?
 

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addiesin said:
wilhelm scream said:
addiesin said:
I think it's very wordy for a meme.

Also, you should probably know. Legends had a Death Star 3. 
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star_III

Also this.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sun_Crusher

At least they were honest about what it was and didn't try to disguise it like Disney did.

What's Disney? I was talking about Legends.

And I was talking about how canon tried to hide the fact that Starkiller base was just anouther Death Star. At least Legends was honest about it. Also, at least the sun crasher tried something different.
 

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TVs Frink said:
wilhelm scream said:
TVs Frink said:
Gaith said:
I think we can all agree on one thing...

luke.jpg


:D

I'm struggling to figure out how this makes any sense.

I think it's a reference to the Force Awakens (as the Hosian system is where the Death Star 3 (err I mean Starkiller base) blew up a few  planets).

I know.

It's the wording that makes no sense.  "Jump on it yourself?"  Like, killing himself won't do anything...and if it means take care of the galaxy, why show that image then?

What am I missing?

You'll have to ask Gaith.
 

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wilhelm scream said:
And I was talking about how canon tried to hide the fact that Starkiller base was just anouther Death Star. At least Legends was honest about it. Also, at least the sun crasher tried something different.

Canon does things now? or did you mean Disney? And if that is the case, who claimed they were trying to hide anything about what Starkiller was or wasn't? They are pretty cheeky with the jokes in-movie that it's basically another Death Star.

And whether or not it is a "Death Star"... Who gives a flying f*ck? Call it a giant round shooty thing if you want. You're making a distinction for the sake of argument, when no distinction exists.
 

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This giant round shooty thing is now the ultimate power in the universe.  I suggest we shooty with it.
 

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TVs Frink said:
It's the wording that makes no sense.  "Jump on it yourself?"  Like, killing himself won't do anything...and if it means take care of the galaxy, why show that image then?

You're right, there's no direct line between the Starkiller Base's attack and Luke's post-RotJ direct actions. I should have written "the parents of your future pupils", not "Hosnian system beings." My apologies. :blush:
 

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Apology accepted, Captain Gaith.
 

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Children tend to have a better perspective on Star Wars these days, I find.

Anyway, relax.  A thread is only doomed if you insist it's doomed, or if it has good reason to be doomed.
 

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TVs Frink said:
Children tend to have a better perspective on Star Wars these days, I find.

Anyway, relax.  A thread is only doomed if you insist it's doomed, or if it has good reason to be doomed.

It's called over-exaggeration.
 

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It's hard to tell with some people.
 

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TVs Frink said:
Children tend to have a better perspective on Star Wars these days, I find.

Anyway, relax.  A thread is only doomed if you insist it's doomed, or if it has good reason to be doomed.

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I'm bored and can't sleep, perfect time to make a Star Wars Legends appreciation post!

This week, we're going to be talking about Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast. The game fellows Kyle Katarn on a quest for revenge! It's pretty much an early prototype for Jedi Academy, so it's very similar. It has the same graphics, gameplay and audio. Which is fine by me.

But, the game isn't without it;s flaws. I got lost a few times (though that is just my terrible sense of direction), a plot twist was really predictable and the game doesn't bother to explain why Kyle's lightsaber has changed color between games (I know it's part of a multimedia franchise, but still...)

Regardless, it's still a fun game and I recommend that you check it out. Next time, we'll look at Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith.
 

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OK,time to talk about Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith.

It's an expansion pack (DLC that's a full game) for Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2 and while it has most of the problems the main game has (terrible graphics and me getting lost alot), it does have 1 thing that no other Star Wars game has; a story which let's you play as Mara Jade. 

Now, I'll talk about her in more-depth some other time, but she's one of my favorite legends characters. 

The gameplay is pretty good. It smooth, easy to control and it's fun!
 

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When it comes to the EU, my thoughts are conflicted. (And please read all the way to the end of the post for the full picture of what I'm saying.) :)

On the one hand...

I've never considered it canon, and I'm genuinely surprised that others thought it was. Yes, Lucas referred to it as "C-level canon," but the fact that there were tiered levels of canonicity in the first place told me that it was never on the same level as the movies.

I also don't believe that Lucas was heavily involved in the EU, signing off on all stories before they were published. When Starlog magazine asked Lucas in 2005 how he keeps track of it all, he replied: "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions." (my emphasis added)

(Elsewhere, Lucas and the caretakers of the EU qualified those statements by saying that the EU made every attempt to fit into the movie canon. But notice that none of them said that Lucas made every attempt to make the movies fit the EU. Quite the opposite, in fact. I think that underscores how unofficial these stories were to Lucas.)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#George_Lucas_and_Star_Wars_Canon

Plus, Lucas approached Disney with this deal, knowing full well that when they owned it, they could do what they wanted to with it. 

So I agree with Disney that they had every right to get rid of whatever they wanted, and a clean sweep is probably easier than going down the rabbit hole of deciding what stays and what goes. And it's nice that everything is now part of a single, unified canon.

On the other hand...

With the exception of Rogue One, not much of the new canon has felt worth my time. The new films are much better-made than the prequels, and I see the validity of many of the dramatic choices they're making (a conflicted Luke is more dramatically interesting than a happy Luke, for instance), but somehow it just doesn't grab me anymore like the old stories used to.

I can't even bring myself to read the new Thrawn novels, because it no longer feels like something I'm doing for fun. It feels like homework instead: I have to read these if I want to figure out how Thrawn fits into the new timeline.

I'm not giving up on new Star Wars; I still read news stories about the latest developments every day, listen to podcasts, watch fan films, and talk about it endlessly with my friends. I'm also going to keep watching the new stuff. I'm particularly excited for Jon Favreau's upcoming show for Disney's streaming service. But I am starting to feel like the baby got thrown out with the bathwater.

There's a lot of stuff that could have been kept because Disney is probably never going to touch these eras anyway, such as the Old Republic stories and the Darth Bane tales. There are other stories that probably could have been brought over into the new canon with just a few edits for continuity's sake, like the original Thrawn trilogy.

(Spoilers for a lot of already-released SW media, both EU and new canon, inside the spoiler tag.)

Not only do most fans consider it the best piece of EU ever written, introducing two of the best EU characters (Thrawn and Mara Jade), but really the only contradiction to the new canon is the name of Han and Leia's child(ren). Change one scene so that they have one son named Ben rather than twins named Jacen and Jaina, and the rest of the novel still works.

In fact, rather than change those novels, the films could have been constructed around those events. Rey could be Jaina and Jacen could be Ben/Kylo, and their stories would play out pretty much the same, since Jacen fell to the Dark Side, and Jaina ultimately defeated him. Disney could have gotten rid of everything from New Jedi Order and beyond, and then used elements of those stories in the films, and they'd play out with few differences. (There wouldn't have been a shirtless scene for Jacen in TLJ, and Jacen wouldn't have revealed to Jaina that her parents were nobodies, but the overall arc would still stand.)

At the end of the Thrawn trilogy, Mara and Luke part on friendly terms. She isn't in quite a few stories after that in the timeline, including Dark Empire and the Jedi Academy trilogy. She and Luke don't meet again, fall in love, and get married until many stories later. So all of those could have been wiped from the canon and the Thrawn trilogy would still be intact. 

There are many other stories that are huge touchstones for the fans that could have been included with just a little rewriting (or, in some cases, none at all), such as Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Shadows of the Empire, and The Force Unleashed

Still other stories, such as the Droids comic books or the original Han Solo novels by Brian Daley, aren't huge touchstones but leave virtually no mark on the timeline, so there's no reason not to include them.

But I realize I'm now going down the rabbit hole that I said Disney was wise to avoid.

Anyway, I'm not sure what can be done at this point to fix things, although bringing back The Clone Wars to wrap up its stories was one step in the right direction. (I'm not sure why fans keep calling it EU, though, since Lucas officially said that this show was always canon, and Disney hasn't contradicted that.) Maybe the streaming services can feature some original animated movies that loosely adapt some of the most beloved EU stories, thereby bringing them into canon. But that's just a random thought.

I guess at the end of the day, to me, it doesn't matter whether or not a story "officially" happened according to the content owners. Many of DC Comics' most popular and acclaimed stories don't fit anywhere in the official timeline. And if an EU novel or comic or video game entertained me, then that's all that matters, and no one can take that from me. And if it wasn't entertaining, then there's no need to cling to it, either in or out of the current canon.

Whew! Sorry for rambling on so long. And thanks for the discussion starter, Wilhelm Scream!
 
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