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Raiders of the Lost Skull

Thanks for the review mikeveli20, I agree with everything you said. Could you post this review on the site's main page? You can also rate the film out of 10 there. Some people don't seem to realise that a review in the forums doesn't actually get put on the main page automatically.

this is as good as it's going to get

My feelings exactly.

At its core, it's still a pretty bad movie, but at least with this version it
becomes watchable. You got rid of everything you possibly could without really
affecting the flow of the story (still a bad story no matter what).

Also agree whole heartedly. But to be honest, watchable was my intention. You can't make ox, mac, mutt etc into great characters, you can only remove the parts that make you want to stab your eyes out and hope you are left with something decent enough to enjoy.

I watched the AVCHD version and the video and audio quality was excellent.

Cheers.

My main complaint about the audio is that the replaced score is LOUD

Sorry, that was personal preference and I knew not everyone would be into it. I love hearing the score smashing the speakers. When that indy theme kicks in, I want it to shake the walls. Again, personal preference and I knew not everyone would be into it.

As far as entertainment value, I'd probably still only give this movie a 6/10,
but that's much higher than the 2/10 I would give the original. It feels more
Indy-like and Indy himself is less of a caricature and more like we remember
him.

I agree with this too. The film was so bad, I knew it wouldn't become a great film. But there are moments in there I really enjoy, and I personally find this version far more watchable.

Looking forward to seeing some of your future edits.

Thanks heaps, there's another one on the way as we speak. Cheers for taking the time to review the film, it's great to get feedback from a fellow Indy fan.
 
You got 5 votes now, with a 9.20 average!
 
Oh sweet, thanks Neg. Had a chance to watch it yet?
 
njvc said:
Could you post this review on the site's main page? You can also rate the film out of 10 there. Some people don't seem to realise that a review in the forums doesn't actually get put on the main page automatically.

For some reason I can't log into the main page. It tells me invalid username. Then if I go to register, it tells me that I've already registered. :-o
 
PM thunderclap.
 
Rated and reviewed on the edit's main page.
9/10.

Well done!
 
Thanks Neg, really pleased to hear you enjoyed it. I found it funny you brought up the 'water water' bit. That was just a little throwback of course, but I tried to insert it in such a way that Indy says the words while his back is turned so you can't see whether his mouth is moving or not. Guess I didn't succeed :) there are other aspects of the edit that bothered me much more, but with only the original film to work with, I was more willing to live with a couple of rough edits (eg, 'there were a lot of Marion's bit in the diner, the quicksand/snake scene, continuity error of Mutt appearing in the car) than to put up with the scenes unchanged. Which version did you watch?
 
njvc said:
Thanks Neg, really pleased to hear you enjoyed it. I found it funny you brought up the 'water water' bit. That was just a little throwback of course, but I tried to insert it in such a way that Indy says the words while his back is turned so you can't see whether his mouth is moving or not. Guess I didn't succeed :)

It was so minor, and I almost didn't say anything about it.

njvc said:
there are other aspects of the edit that bothered me much more, but with only the original film to work with, I was more willing to live with a couple of rough edits (eg, 'there were a lot of Marion's bit in the diner, the quicksand/snake scene, continuity error of Mutt appearing in the car) than to put up with the scenes unchanged.

The quicksand scene worked fine for me. I didn't even see the continuity error with Mutt, maybe because the whole chase scene was so fast this time around. As far as the "there were a lot of Marions", I know how you feel. Stupid line, especially later when he says "(The other women) all had the same problem. They weren't you."

njvc said:
Which version did you watch?

AVI. My computer isn't as technologically advanced as I'd want it to be.
 
I watched this last night, and I liked it a lot better than the theatrical version. However, there are some jarring problems with the edit.

The first scene in the Area 51 warehouse has really odd pacing. You can tell a lot is missing.

The jungle chase scene didn't make any sense in the order you edited it. It would make more sense if Marion drives the boat over the edge, then the Russians pull up to the edge and climb down as if giving chase. Right now the Russians drive to the edge of the cliff and climb down ropes for no reason, then Marion drives off the edge.

These are my main two quibbles.

All in all, a pretty solid polish job on that turd.
 
Ive been silent for a while due to being all lazy during the holidays plus not being able to do much online without the huge pipe of bandwidth that comes as a plus with my job; but now Im happy to report that I was able to download the AVCHD version without much issue and just have to arrange the burning to finally give this edit a spin - when I do I'll post my review. Greets everyone.
 
Did you end up watching it havok?
 
Review of Raiders of the Lost Skull by NVJC

I haven't watched the theatrical cut in a couple of years, so I wasn't able to fully compare this to the original. On the other hand, this allowed me to watch this film in it's own right, without constantly noticing what was present and absent.

On the whole, this greatly improves on the original, which I never hated but thought had some pretty major weak spots. Removing of the 'nuking the fridge' scene was excellent, nothing appears to be absent, and while I initially missed the iconic mushroom cloud shot, I was very happy to see it incorporated later.

The first half of this film is very much tighter than the original. The warehouse, the interogation by the FBI, and the scene in Indy's house all run much smoother now. Also, the use of Raiders score definately helps the film! The motorcycle chase definately benefits from a lack of library, which always made it seem silly to me. I would have preferred a different piece of music to the one used here as it feels a little goofy (although I understand your reason for using it).

Once the adventure gets going, the absenses are once again for the better. I can't remember preciely what was missing from the various tomb raiding scenes, but I remember disliking parts of them while now there was absolutely nothing to dislike. Mutt and Indy's relationship is nice, it is reminiscant of his relationship with Short Round (which many hate but I consider to be fine) and the parallels with his own relationship with Sean Connery play out nicely (they were always there, but there's less distractions now). The only problem is these scenes feel a little light and go by too quickly... but that can't be helped and the original had the same problem. Trimming the fat is only a good thing.

At the half-way point when we meet up with Cate Blanchet again, the editing continues to be good. Marion is less annoying, Indy is less goofy. Returning to what I said about the skull scene and the overlaid montage; this is really excellent. The use of watchmen was very good, and this really addresses a major criticism of the film (later addressed by Red Letter Media), the Russians pose absolutely no threat. You also use the footage from the end of the the film excellently, the CGI alien is horrible but it works well as a sillhouette, and the flying saucer is nicely used also.

The quicksand scene is marvelous and beatifully cut, it simply appears that Mutt thorows them a rope, they are then recaptured by the Russians. Well done, you have gracefully fixed one of the worst scenes in the film.

Now, the jungle chase scene. This was the only part where the edit loses its way. I'm not sure if this scene *can* be fixed, and maybe you've done the best that can be done, but it still doesn't work. Its messy, Spalko keeps popping up in different places and its not clear what she's supposed to be doing, Mutt dissapears for half the scene then reappears at the end. The original is terrible, but IMO this cut is quite messy and is the lowpoint of the film.

The car tree/cliff scene isn't great but is a massive improvement over the original. The waterfall scene is greatly improved by being reduced to one.

The scenes in the temple are fine. The original material isn't great and there's not much you can do.. I dislike everyone being casually hit with bolas and not being injured but again, what can you do.

The final scene with the skulls works a lot better now. The original film has a generally poor climax so there's only so much you can do, but it is still vastly improved. Removal of the CGI aliens makes the ending far more watchable (although why can the skeletons talk/think, Mr Spielberg?) and Mac's death is greatly improved. I thought i'd miss the saucer shot (I've always liked it) but having placed it in the flash forward, the ending where everything has collapsed actually works even better. The wedding at the end is still far too white and glowing, but meh.

One big problem I did have, however, was the sound. The music is far, far too loud! I had to literally halve my volume when it came on, then turn it back up so that I could hear what was being said in the next scene. While I do like music to be cinematic, overly loud music is a common problem now. Spielberg may have made a dud movie but he's still no Michael Bay, and I'd rather Indie felt like Indie and not Transformers.

After watching Red Letter Media's review, for a while I thought he might be right: the problem with this film is that it exists at all. But watching this edit reminded me that there is still a lot of decent ideas in Indie 4:

- Despite what RLM thinks, the film really does focus on character. There is a genuine love for Indie in this film, a sadness at his ageing, his acceptance of death, the mirroring of his relationships between his son and his father, and just how his character has changed over time.
- The use of the 50's setting, Indie looking out of place, the changing roles of society, the contrast between the pre-WW2 and post WW2 world, between the USA and Russia; all of these are wonderful aspects of the film.
- Spielberg is still a damn fine director and a lot of this film is beautifully shot
- And of course, some really classic Indie. Without the distractions, you can see how nice it is to watch him crawl through tombs, caves and temples, to retell old legends and travel through exotic lands.

There is a lot to love about Indie 4, and NVJC has succesfully highlighted them. I can't say whether this will be my definative cut, as 1) I haven't seen any other IJ4 edits, and 2) I need to rewatch the original again, but its prospects are certainly good, and I'm pretty happy to consider this film a legitimate part of the Indiana Jones franchise.

8/10
 
Foolsfollowing, thank you so much for taking the time to write such a detailed and thoughtful review. I am very pleased to see that you experienced the edit in the way I hoped it would be. You're also the final voice I needed to convince me to release a version 2 special edition of this edit, with a complete audio remix (I concede everyone, I'll turn the music down!), I'll recut the chase scene slightly (although it will never be perfect unless u keep mutt and the monkeys) and include some special features. If enough people are interested, I'll make this a dvd9 release so more people can watch it with menu/extras etc, as well as a bluray release for audio visual snobs like me (here's looking at you geminigod). I'll include a commentary too.

Any other requests/suggestions for edits/changes/features? I'll delete the original files after this, so speak now or gone forever : )

I'll release this after submitting where the wild things are and after my consecution edit.

Cheers,

njvc
 
Will there be an AVCHD of version 2? That's the one I'd be interested in. I can do without menus and features etc,.
 
No worries, I look forward to watching v2 and especially seeing what you can do with the chase. =)
 
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