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Vinyl Collections

VHS rather sucks. Analog can be great for audio, but for video, I'd much rather have digital precision. Well... I like the grainy look of film itself for some movies, but at home, give me a DVD. I suppose it's possible that Betamax was great looking back in the day, but having never seen a Betamax tape, I have no experience with high quality, analog, home video.

if you actually want to learn about audio compression you'll find a way.
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I'm very curious how the word "compression" can imply quality in any sentence that does not have relation to file compression methods.
 
GyRo567 said:
I'm very curious how the word "compression" can imply quality in any sentence that does not have relation to file compression methods.
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as quality is usually used as a range (good, bad) i'm not sure what your question is.

everything that is digital can be compressed. some sources compress better than others. some data is best with lossless encoding (word docs, etc.). some data (audio) can be compressed lossless (flac) or lossy (mp3).

in terms of audio compression, here's a good place to start:
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php ... dio_Codecs

...and the short version is:
* lossless compression is identical to the source
* lossy compression is not identical to the source
* lossy compression can achieve transparency with most modern codecs (vorbis, musepack, mp3, aac, etc.)
 
It's not a matter of quality. It's a matter of "why the hell would you compress it AT ALL if you're utilizing optical media?" because HDD space is not a problem.
 
I was a dj from the early 90s and in 2000 i quit so until then i got around 1400 Lp?s and 2000 maxi-singles on vinyl, then when cd came for real i dropped out, it was to hard and to time-consuming to get all those records on cd..and to expensive to...

and then my Lps and beloved hard to get, first editions, and white/black-label maxi-singles (12-inchers) got scattered among dj?s and X girlfriends so now i got like a topp 100 lps and maxi lps in my room, under my table, as a blast from the past, kinda the room where they store the ark in the first indy-movie...that feeling i mean...
 
GyRo567 said:
You should also try to find some newly sealed vinyl from the 1980s or early 90s to see how much better it is when well preserved. The sound is so much warmer, and apart from the overall better feel of it, there certainly aren't any disadvantages if you don't neglect the records.
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Yep especially a USA-released 12-inch, they always had the best sound, and it felt like they had more channels or something, more depth...

i tried actually to listen at one of these in the year 2000-something and compared it to a cd of the same song and it felt like listening to an opera vs a clock-radio.....
like someone here said, the pitch, the whole spectrum of sound feels a much more flat from the cd...its hard to describe the sound-picture of a well-pressed 12-inch USA Maxi-single....
 
Realbmansweden said:
and then my Lps and beloved hard to get, first editions, and white/black-label maxi-singles (12-inchers) got scattered among dj?s and X girlfriends so now i got like a topp 100 lps and maxi lps in my room, under my table, as a blast from the past, kinda the room where they store the ark in the first indy-movie...that feeling i mean...
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i as a real music fan must honestly say that this is a veery sad story. all this nice vinyl gone to...whereever

:-( :-( :-(
 
Heinrich said:
i as a real music fan must honestly say that this is a veery sad story. all this nice vinyl gone to...whereever

:-( :-( :-(
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yep, i agree with you, and all those hard to get vinyls i really miss..they dont do that with cd?s in the same way...there is cd-singles ofcourse but most of the time they are like the old vinyl 7s...like the song and then a instrumental version of it and maybe a accapella version tops...

The rare vinyls was full of weird remixes and hard to find "unreleased" tracks and so on....
 
I finally found a minty copy of Rush's first album yesterday! =P


I think I've found the best analogy for vinyl and CDs I'm ever going to come up with.

A scene for a movie is filmed. The first time it is bright outside. You can clearly see everything, and a digital camera is used to perfectly capture & preserve all aspects of the scene in exact detail. (color, clarity, brightness - it's exactly like real life when you play it back in the studio)

That was the scouting shoot. Now they come back the next day and setup the proper lighting. It's dark and moody (it's a noir film - it could be anything, but this is the most drastic example I could think of); you can barely make out the actors' faces in the shadows. It feels like you're in a different time and place. It's not just reality; it's a surreal experience. Even though it's not what that location really looks like, it's far more aesthetically appealing in the context of the film. Reality is boring. That's what real life is for.

When you start playing some minty vinyl, you get the same kind of experience in terms of audio instead of video.
 
there are a whole lot of placebo and and "nostalgia" affecting this situation...

your memory will deceive you. scientific process won't.

there are some very obvious preferences for vinyl due to the way people mastered for them - which is completely different for CD (and ultimately why audiophiles hate CD - because of compression and the loudness race).

that being said, a properly mastered cd will blow the socks off of vinyl. it's just hard to find that nowadays.

the limitations are not with CD, but in the misuse of the medium.
 
How can I possibly be nostalgic about it? The first time I ever heard a record was within the past 12 months. I'm still very new to this.

(and ultimately why audiophiles hate CD - because of compression and the loudness race).
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If that were true, then I wouldn't have a problem with uncompressed PCM .WAV files. High quality analog is better than digital. It's about the digital part, not the compressed part. Analog just sounds different. It even sounds slightly different from itself (I'm talking about the exact same copy here) every time you play it. Each copy is unique, and vinyl itself is a unique format. It just sounds different in a very positive way.

Homework assignment: Go find a high quality turntable, some really great speakers (try some Bose speakers, my personal favorite), and some mint condition vinyl of your favorite album. Don't forget to clean it. Observe, take note, and report back to me.

If you absolutely must bring up this whole "science" thing again, then at least make it relevant and talk about how it's different than everything else, not how it's inalienably the "same" all the time. It's not. Get over it. No format is the same as another. They're almost all played back by different methods.
 
joebshmoe said:
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your memory will deceive you. scientific process won't.


that being said, a properly mastered cd will blow the socks off of vinyl. it's just hard to find that nowadays.

the limitations are not with CD, but in the misuse of the medium.
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Nope, i think there is a more metallic sound-picture to cd?s than vinyl, a digital feeling that never existed in vinyl-records..

And its not just me that thinks so...
take a bad-ass-cost-a-fortune-audio-equipment and play a well pressed (preferably US-released Maxi 12-inch) Vinyl and then a well pressed cd and you will come over to the vinyl-side, i promise you..

And science can NEVER compare sound-pictures, its a feeling which numbers never can explain, like being a pilot of a mach3-plane, or having a pornstar over for "dinner", an unimaginable feeling no one can describe...
 
unfortunately it is YOUR burden to show me wtf you are talking about - and so far you or anyone else sharing your opinion has not been able to shed even a shred of scientifically verifiable "light" as to what you are talking about.

...you must realize that everyone not baptized in the "audiophile" way follows this ideology, as well.
 
Ha ha and you havent showed why cd?s are so much better than vinyl either....

and if you ONLY believe in science then we have a problem i guess, and i cant stand people who cant think outside the box because there is no numbers to prove it...thats a weird way of living in my book......
 
joebshmoe said:
unfortunately it is YOUR burden to show me wtf you are talking about - and so far you or anyone else sharing your opinion has not been able to shed even a shred of scientifically verifiable "light" as to what you are talking about.

...you must realize that everyone not baptized in the "audiophile" way follows this ideology, as well.
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You keep repeating this like a mindless drone, but it doesn't mean anything.

I'll keep it even more simple this time:
Which is more realistic?
-A painting
-Real life

Obviously real life is going to be a more perfect reproduction of reality. How could it not be? But the painting is more aesthetically pleasing & therefore more interesting to look at.

A CD might not deteriorate and might have a perfect transfer from the original masters, but it doesn't have any of the extra feel that comes from the vinyl format.
 
GyRo567 said:
How can I possibly be nostalgic about it? The first time I ever heard a record was within the past 12 months. I'm still very new to this.



Homework assignment: Go find a high quality turntable, some really great speakers (try some Bose speakers, my personal favorite), and some mint condition vinyl of your favorite album. Don't forget to clean it. Observe, take note, and report back to me.

If you absolutely must bring up this whole "science" thing again, then at least make it relevant and talk about how it's different than everything else, not how it's inalienably the "same" all the time. It's not. Get over it. No format is the same as another. They're almost all played back by different methods.
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ehh not, and if i do what does it make any difference to you?
you only trust numbers anyway...
and all my points are relevant, its you who cant see the logic dude....
 
I'll keep it even more simple this time:
Which is more realistic?
-A painting
-Real life
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ha ha i love you comparing a painting to real life, i dont think we can solve this one....
 
Anyway.... :)

Last week I was in my local Charity Shop checking out the 2nd hand Vinyls. There was the usual stuff, you know, Jimmy Conners, Genesis & tacky Christmas Albums, but then there it was....

It shone like a light, like the light from that case in Pulp Fiction.

It was beautiful.

It was Glorius.

It was an orginal Led Zeppelin IV in mint condition!!!

For only ?1 !!!

Obviously I have been feeling smug with myself ever since. Especially, after I played it & found there were no scratches.

Life is Sweet. :smile:
 
FatherMerrin said:
Anyway.... :)

Last week I was in my local Charity Shop checking out the 2nd hand Vinyls. There was the usual stuff, you know, Jimmy Conners, Genesis & tacky Christmas Albums, but then there it was....

It shone like a light, like the light from that case in Pulp Fiction.

It was beautiful.

It was Glorius.

It was an orginal Led Zeppelin IV in mint condition!!!

For only ?1 !!!

Obviously I have been feeling smug with myself ever since. Especially, after I played it & found there were no scratches.

Life is Sweet. :smile:
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You lucky bastard.

You lucky, lucky bastard.

God, you find all sorts in charity shops, don't you?
 
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