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Star Wars VIII - The Last Jedi

theryaney said:
Yup. Me too. Sorry, Barbara, but let me list some things I didn't really grab onto.

Man, the bad thing about a bunch of people who have an idealized version of their favorite movie is that some of them are fuddy-duddies who will go after things that children like even when it's hypocrisy. Phantom Menace had that godawful planet core journey. Empire Strikes Back has that godawful asteroid worm thing. Empire Strikes Back's shit is golden, because it all depends on what people were children for. R2-D2's flying and go-go-gadget droid killing were terrible, because he never did that in the original trilogy. Objectively, it was awesome, there's nothing wrong with robots having machinery, but relativity makes it terrible. BB-8 has no prior canon keeping her from piloting a walker and blowing shit up, or even shooting coins at people. However, the shoving her dome into a circuit board was a bit silly, but then again, that was the point.
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First thing: A big gripe against Return of the Jedi is the Ewoks, those heroes that saved the Rebellion from certain doom. The Ewoks are considered annoying and unnecessary by many, even when kids think they're cute and bring levity to the story, which the story really needed what with that Droid torture scene, and the scene where that lady got eaten, and the scene where that one guy cried over the rancor's corpse.

Phantom Menace has a very unnecessary bit with that Planet Core Bongo journey, where they repeat themselves with "There's always a bigger fish." It's like poetry, it rhymes. However, Empire Strikes Back also has an unnecessary bit where Han parks the Falcon inside an asteroid and tries to fix the ship, he doesn't get to because he realizes he parked it in a giant worm. Overall, it's a pointless scene to add some suspense to the chase, even when the chase could have already been suspenseful without that giant interruption. However, Empire Strikes Back is considered the perfect star wars movie because people saw it when they were kids, so editing that part out is taboo.

This movie's giant worm is the casino planet, and I hope somebody can edit it out of the movie's core.

R2-D2 smoking some B2 droids and flying around is awesome on its own, however these actions are not viewed on their own, in the future installments he never does anything like them at all.

BB-8 is viewed on her own in this new frontier of the sequel trilogy, so she can do cool things. Also, serves as comic relief during an opening battle to guide people into the rest of the movie, can't have things too intense all at once.
 
Barabba said:
theryaney said:
Yup. Me too. Sorry, Barbara, but let me list some things I didn't really grab onto.

Man, the bad thing about a bunch of people who have an idealized version of their favorite movie is that some of them are fuddy-duddies who will go after things that children like even when it's hypocrisy. Phantom Menace had that godawful planet core journey. Empire Strikes Back has that godawful asteroid worm thing. Empire Strikes Back's shit is golden, because it all depends on what people were children for. R2-D2's flying and go-go-gadget droid killing were terrible, because he never did that in the original trilogy. Objectively, it was awesome, there's nothing wrong with robots having machinery, but relativity makes it terrible. BB-8 has no prior canon keeping her from piloting a walker and blowing shit up, or even shooting coins at people. However, the shoving her dome into a circuit board was a bit silly, but then again, that was the point.
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First thing: A big gripe against Return of the Jedi is the Ewoks, those heroes that saved the Rebellion from certain doom. The Ewoks are considered annoying and unnecessary by many, even when kids think they're cute and bring levity to the story, which the story really needed what with that Droid torture scene, and the scene where that lady got eaten, and the scene where that one guy cried over the rancor's corpse.

Phantom Menace has a very unnecessary bit with that Planet Core Bongo journey, where they repeat themselves with "There's always a bigger fish." It's like poetry, it rhymes. However, Empire Strikes Back also has an unnecessary bit where Han parks the Falcon inside an asteroid and tries to fix the ship, he doesn't get to because he realizes he parked it in a giant worm. Overall, it's a pointless scene to add some suspense to the chase, even when the chase could have already been suspenseful without that giant interruption. However, Empire Strikes Back is considered the perfect star wars movie because people saw it when they were kids, so editing that part out is taboo.

R2-D2 smoking some B2 droids and flying around is awesome on its own, however these actions are not viewed on their own, in the future installments he never does anything like them at all.

BB-8 is viewed on her own in this new frontier of the sequel trilogy, so she can do cool things. Also, serves as comic relief during an opening battle to guide people into the rest of the movie, can't have things too intense all at once.
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Without the Ewoks in the story it'll be sorta boring, you know? Because if they were not there, then the Rebellion would certainly lose, and if the writers didn't include them, the story might go somewhere else.  That Droid torture scene, and the scene where that lady got eaten, and the scene where that one guy cried over the rancor's corpse, gives us a look to how evil Jabba and his operations are, and it gives a look into the underworld crimes of the galaxy. The guy crying can reinterpreted as a personality even for a background character. That was golden.


ESB's worm functioned not for them to fix the ship, but hide. The suspense was also great, and was golden. It was not an interruption to the story. It also gives breathing time and character development.

Phantom Menace I can't remember anything of, so yeah.

R2 Ex Machina in ROTS actions were disabled because it was an "imperial" droid who helped Leia in the senate and diplomatic missions. They don't have public war anymore. You think the senate would allow a murderous droid in?
 
Yeah, you have a point. As soon as Threepio was given a battle droid's body, he went into a murderous rage. Perhaps there was a big disarmament of every droid across the galaxy to promote the Empire's peace.
 
* I removed some YouTube links in this post......was going down the dark path lol.....coming now back to the light.
 
Hey theforce, let's try to keep this thread focused on the ideas and interpretations of the community. Too much dark force rising here.
 
Sure, I will remove the YouTube on the previous posts. Sorry about that
 
DigModiFicaTion said:
Hey theforce, let's try to keep this thread focused on the ideas and interpretations of the community. Too much dark force rising here.
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Sure, I will remove the YouTube’s on the previous post.  Sorry about that.
 
Some deleted scenes detailed.

More of the Star Destroyer infiltration, giving Del Toro's character more screen time.  This might make the Canto Bight subplot more meaningful.  More of Luke and Rey training on the island, that's very promising.  Both will surely be invaluable for fan editing purposes.  There's also a scene with Poe bringing Finn up to speed on what he missed.  This might be useful for anyone seeking to remove Canto Bight - it'd help make up for a lack of screen time for Finn.
 
Let's hope deleted scenes will not have time numbers in the corner of the picture like in TFA bluray.
 
A question:
I should know about that since I fanedited this movie to death by now but,
wasn't Tarkin tracking the Falcon moving at lightspeed in ANH...?

EDIT:
there's a line  in ESB sayin: "Calculate every possible destination along their last known trajectory" but in ANH that's not what they are doing. The Empire put a tracking device on the Falcon. Didn't the Falcon goes into lightspeed after the TIE fight?
I'll look at it tonight.
 
Answering myself: Yup...

TARKIN                         
Are they away?                                      
VADER                         
They have just made the jump into                     
hyperspace.                                      
TARKIN                         
You're sure the homing beacon is                         
secure aboard their ship?


So... the Empire had the technology to track ships even through hyperspace, 30 years ago...
Maybe the First Order lost that technology when the Empire ended and only got it back in this movie... but still.

EDIT: (continuing to thinking out loud)
And even if it's a new technology not involving a beacon device, how do the resistance know that they don't have a beacon device abord the ship. First thing I'd order would be to search for it and scan the entire float.
Damn maybe I need to watch TLJ again, lol.
 
I agree that it's weird. But, I like to think that the homing beacon only transferred when they were already on Yavin 4. So that's why they were "late" and let the Rebels plan and wait.

Bt in TLJ the 1st order directly came out of hyperspace 2 seconds after the Resistance did.
 
Maybe they've always had the ability to track using homing beacons once one comes out of hyperspace. But the first order now have the technology to track them whilst both are in hyperspace?
 
TMBTM said:
Maybe the First Order lost that technology when the Empire ended and only got it back in this movie... 
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Zamros said:
Maybe they've always had the ability to track using homing beacons once one comes out of hyperspace. But the first order now have the technology to track them whilst both are in hyperspace?
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Maybe the writers made a boo-boo.
 
Or maybe it's just this.

theryaney said:
I agree that it's weird. But, I like to think that the homing beacon only transferred when they were already on Yavin 4. So that's why they were "late" and let the Rebels plan and wait.

Bt in TLJ the 1st order directly came out of hyperspace 2 seconds after the Resistance did.
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Actually that's exactly it.

(EDIT: which is also what Zamros said)
 
Rian Johnson Spoilers interview
(I just started listening to it)



And thanks for the answers on my previous question, folks.
 
Uh, guys... Have you seen this?


Just look at him... He looks devastated... Especially considering he was extremely enthusiastic before the showing...

 
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