Special Adult Section

[voodl]

I voted no. We are movie fans, right? There is no porn section in "Premiere" magazine, right? We dont want to make Faneditforum another shitty forum all-in-one, right?

 

[nOmArch]

I voted no. We are movie fans, right? There is no porn section in "Premiere" magazine, right? We dont want to make Faneditforum another shitty forum all-in-one, right?

apart from the fact this isnt a magazine this is a community and as a community members should be catered for, if a small group want a slightly more relaxed part of the forum so what? if you dont like it you dont have to go anywhere near it.

and anyway AS HAS BEEN SAID NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE its not meant to be a porn section, just somewhere where members can discuss issues, view, opinions etc. that maybe a bit much for a PG13 rating. no more no less, at least thats how i envisage it, i would never want a 'porn section' of faneditforum.

sorry guys im just getting a bit annoyed by people constantly playing the porn haven/hub/central card when this is not what this debate is about.

i swear people are being obtuse purely on purpose.

 

[voodl]

nom are you naive or you are trying make us fool? we both know that 'adult' section will become 'porn' section very soon... and there is a lot 'adult' sites where you can jerk off.... unless 'adult' section will have 'no pictures' rule.... is that enough for you? only discuss?

 

[Remixed by Jorge]

I feel for all the members who voted yes. I can respect wanting a section where we could discuss serious matters such as politics and such.
I am so on your side that 2 years ago I started a similar thread called Politically Correct: Can we discuss politics?
Sadly back then the forum was obviously not ready to discuss serious matter as the poll showed an overwhelming majority wanted to "shut the hell up!"
You should read the post and maybe pat yourself in the back for many that voted NO then are voting YES now.
May i attribute this to inner growth?.

 

[joebshmoe]

oh dear... can i change my vote to no? it doesn't seem that you guys are capable of open discussion afterall

 

[voodl]

LOL....

 

[joebshmoe]

voodl, you are a frustrating person

 

[voodl]

I know

 

[T-HOPE]

I voted "no". I don't see the need for topics about pornography or nude models etc on a forum like this. I have no problems with nudity in movies or fanedits, but I don't see the need for an 18+ section.

 

[Captain Khajiit]

AS HAS BEEN SAID NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE its not meant to be a porn section, just somewhere where members can discuss issues, view, opinions etc. that maybe a bit much for a PG13 rating. no more no less, at least thats how i envisage it, i would never want a 'porn section' of faneditforum.

sorry guys im just getting a bit annoyed by people constantly playing the porn haven/hub/central card when this is not what this debate is about.

i swear people are being obtuse purely on purpose.

I am sorry, but you were not the original poster, and IMO Heinrich was far from clear at the start exactly what he intended for this section. I felt like that from the start, and I still feel like that now. Until he provides a slightly clearer vision for the section, I feel that people are justified in feeling confused or assuming the worst, especially if you look at the first two examples Heinrich gave.

Not everybody has apparently interpreted the intention for this section in the same way, nOmArch, and a number of people have posted saying that they are confused about what is meant to go in this section and why. I think calling people obtuse in these circumstances is a little unfair.

apart from the fact this isnt a magazine this is a community and as a community members should be catered for, if a small group want a slightly more relaxed part of the forum so what? if you dont like it you dont have to go anywhere near it.

I don't find the magazine analogy is too far off. If a magazine printed certain material ususally avoided by mainstream magazines, the publisher could claim that people who do not like it can simply turn the page, but it is more complicated than that. Some people simply refuse to pick up a magazine that has that kind of content, as they do not like its mere presence. I think voodl is right than these sorts of things can quickly spiral out of control, as it it is quite hard to draw the line, and I too am worried about opening the flood gates.

 

[Heinrich]

i don´t have to provide anything.

there is no concept behind it. no masterplan. it was an idea popping up and this is the discussion about it.

what i personally had in my mind is mostly that what nomarch is trying to say.

i wasn´t clear because there was no need to be.

and idea. and usually what happens on this board when there is an idea it is discussed and if the majority is for a thing it is done. if not it´s gone.

what exactly this would gonna be is up to the community (as it has before)

 

[TV's Frink]

i don´t have to provide anything.

there is no concept behind it. no masterplan. it was an idea popping up and this is the discussion about it.

i wasn´t clear because there was no need to be.

How can the community be for or against something when there is no stated plan? How can we choose when we don't know what we are choosing?

All the poll asks if there is a need for an adult section. It needs to be defined better than that.

Of course, there isn't a "need" for anything, is there?

 

[nOmArch]

i honestly give up with some of you, Hein stated very clearly what this topic was about towards the end of the first page.

@Capn

People simply dont bother reading a magazine that has content they wont like? then simply dont click on the link to that particular part of the forum.

anyway im done, obviously people arent getting into the spirit of discussion ie simply banging on and on about it becoming a porn haven when me, Hein, Joe have specifically stated thats not what we want. christ how many times have i said in this thread i dont want it to turn into a porn haven either!

anyway, like i said im done until we can have a proper sensible discussion about this.


maybe i'll have a chat with Hein and a few others privately and we can thrash out a proper guideline for those that are having trouble with the semantics.

like i said, stick a fork in me, im done.... -_-

 

[TV's Frink]

anyway im done, obviously people arent getting into the spirit of discussion ie simply banging on and on about it becoming a porn haven when me, Hein, Joe have specifically stated thats not what we want. christ how many times have i said in this thread i dont want it to turn into a porn haven either!

It's not about what you want, it's about what the mods will allow. It's perfectly reasonable to ask what would be allowed and what wouldn't be. Do I want a thread where you can discuss sex in cinema? Sure, that's fine. Do I want a thread where you can post pictures or discuss sexual techniques? No. And I still haven't seen anything that defines what would be allowed. Just saying you don't want a porn haven doesn't address this. Here's Heinrich's post from the first page that I assume you were referring to:

*sigh* a place on the board for pg13 > 18/R debate not a porn haven.

yes. i guess this community won´t turn this into a porn hub. and don´t forget what the idea was: a separate part in the off topic for adults. just that.

A thread where sex in FanEdits and movies is openly discussed, yes. An Adult section for getting off on wank films , no.

that was the idea.

[quote:1clyn6uq]4 Girls and a Cup: shit and vomit, around and around it goes.
Snuff Films: "Nuff said.
Child Pornography: hey we're all adults here.

i guess we all agree on that stuff being sick, and not worth being discussed even if you´re an adult strolling the internet! very subtile kbm... :-(

i think there is not much drama potential in this topic. adult section for people that are adults (definitely without pictures from hungarian amateures that shit on each other) or not...

for many members this would mean that they see an additional thing in the off topic (which they can read or not) and the kids won´t...[/quote:1clyn6uq]I admit that Heinrich implies that only discussion of sex in cinema is allowed, but all I'm asking is for whoever is ultimately in charge (Heinrich, boon, etc) to confirm this. That's all I'm asking for, and then I'll shut up. I asked once before, and the only answer I got was UA's "everything goes" reply.

the adult section wont be just for porn, it would be a place on the board to discuss >PG13 to 18/R material, edits, views etc. etc. and MAYBE some porn.

nOmArch, are you saying now that you've changed your mind on allowing some porn? We're you joking before?

 

[Uncanny Antman]

I asked once before, and the only answer I got was UA's "everything goes" reply.

And I'm as in the dark as you are, so I don't really know.

 

[Ghostcut]

Sorry, I just don't see the need. It's much more fun with 12A-type material as it is, and when it comes to films, they're rated differently all over the world, so it's pretty subjective. Except for the porn of course.

 

[Captain Khajiit]

anyway im done, obviously people arent getting into the spirit of discussion

im done until we can have a proper sensible discussion about this.

Exactly who isn't discussing this sensibly? You're obviously reading a different thread to the one I'm reading. I haven't read any posts that aren't sensible. You seem to exhibit frustration toward anyone who doesn't automatically agree with you. This sort of why-can't-everyone-see-the-obvious-right answer approach doesn't seem to embody much "spirit of discussion" to me.

maybe i'll have a chat with Hein and a few others privately and we can thrash out a proper guideline for those that are having trouble with the semantics. -

For "the semantics" read total lack of any precision or clarity.

 

[Gaith]

I gotta side with TVF and the Captain here. I'd be up for a place to discuss politics, adult matters and, yes, sex, but I think a foundational rule against linking to porn (though not necessarily offers to share links by PM) would be a good call.

 

[The Faceless One]

I voted 'no', the only topics that I would consider to be 18+ are sex and extreme violence and I have no real interest in discussing either, I'm not sure how politics is being classed as adult meterial, everyone should be entitled to express political opinion.

Also the biggest probem is that there is no way to stop under 18s looking at the forum, under 18s can just lie about their age and look at everything.

 

[boon23]

so, to sum it up so far.
We do have a majority of "nay" sayers to an adult forum.
The number of "nayers" and "shruggers" is almost 2:1 to the "yayers".
Still: 10 people would want an adult section.
And let me clarify on this a bit further: it will be non hardcore entirely. FE will never turn out to be a porn forum, not even related, not even partly, not secretly, not.
An adult section will be about discussing adult matters, about free speech, about sharing softcore images (if required) or talking about non pg13 violence.
It will be strict and clear subscribe and each member has to ensure that he/she is above the age of 18 (sorry blueyoda and killbillme, that kind of rules you out ;-)).
The forum will be absolutely invisible to the rest of the members.

Also: 10 people want an adult section, which is actually already enough to have one. The rest does not have to join and will not at all be affected by the existence of it.