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DigModiFicaTion said:Moe_Syzlak said:TVs Frink said:That makes it even worse!
Yeah, you’re either onboard with that sort of thing or you aren’t. It’s no Con-Air!
Having Nicholas Cage in it would definitely make it worse.
The issue is that it's trying to be artsy.
Interstellar is the better 2001.
It has a plot.
It has character development,
it has purpose.
suspiciouscoffee said:You're not supposed to like Kane himself. It's supposed to be tragic that he turned out to be an asshole. Hence Rosebud, a childhood wasted, innocence lost. Something like that.
DigModiFicaTion said:Citizen Kane (1941) - not fond of... the cinematography.
DigModiFicaTion said:Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) - The animation is just plain bad. Sure it was good for its time, but this movie just doesn't hold its weight anymore, imho.
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - Too long. Too odd. Not enough pay off.
Gaith said:AotC is the most entertaining of the PT in terms of sheer WTF-ery, but the worst of the three as a film.
The Scribbling Man said:Gaith said:AotC is the most entertaining of the PT in terms of sheer WTF-ery, but the worst of the three as a film.
I agree that AOTC is darn right hilarious. I just find ROTS boring and headache inducing.
Edit: I seem to have a habit of seeing a post from pages ago and replying to it as if it's the most recent, without realising pages have gone by since. (sigh). Pay attention Scrib.
DigModiFicaTion said:Moe_Syzlak said:OMG. You’re dead to me, Dig! Interstellar is the worst. And 2001 is a masterpiece.
Saying something is the worst is an easy subjective claim. Do you care to share any evidence?
The Scribbling Man said:I've always liked 2001, but I found myself really bored on my most recent viewing. It's definitely a bit indulgent. There's an edit on IFDB that trims the whole film down to half an hour without really cutting anything which is very well done.
Gaith said:You mean 2001: A Space Odyssey - The Abridged Cut? It's the only straightforward yet significantly reduced entry I found on IFDB, and it runs 84 minutes - a trim, to be sure, but hardly a ~30-minute edit. (Also, it doesn't seem to be available in HD.)
The Scribbling Man said:Gaith said:You mean 2001: A Space Odyssey - The Abridged Cut? It's the only straightforward yet significantly reduced entry I found on IFDB, and it runs 84 minutes - a trim, to be sure, but hardly a ~30-minute edit. (Also, it doesn't seem to be available in HD.)
Yes, I do mean that one - I knew it was an hour and a half, so I don't know why I wrote half an hour. Must have been half asleep or something...
No, it's not in HD, which is a shame. It's really well put together, but could do with an HD upgrade. One thing I do remember thinking when watching though, is that the ape prologue still felt a little glacial, whereas I probably would have happily had more of the trippy last act stuff - that part of the film is so mesmerising it's almost impossible to be bored. I was grateful for the improved pacing with everything else though.
DigModiFicaTion said:There are plenty of real life Citizen Kane examples in the mainstream media.
Possessed said:DigModiFicaTion said:There are plenty of real life Citizen Kane examples in the mainstream media.
Yeah, citizen Kane is based on one. Not that that's a reason for it to be good or anything, just saying.
Moe_Syzlak said:I think a lot of this is based on what I call “Eric Clapton Syndrome.” People don’t see the genius of 2001 or Citizen Kane because they've seen so many movies influenced by them that it seems just one of a crowd. But just as Eric Clapton’s blues-rock riffs are everywhere today, they were revelatory (to white people) at the time. So, too, do the influences of Citizen Kane and 2001 seem somewhat diminished by their many, many successors. I’m going to guess that most of the people on this site wouldn’t be here without Star Wars. Well, Star Wars doesn’t exist without 2001 and probably Citizen Kane.
Possessed said:Moe_Syzlak said:I think a lot of this is based on what I call “Eric Clapton Syndrome.” People don’t see the genius of 2001 or Citizen Kane because they've seen so many movies influenced by them that it seems just one of a crowd. But just as Eric Clapton’s blues-rock riffs are everywhere today, they were revelatory (to white people) at the time. So, too, do the influences of Citizen Kane and 2001 seem somewhat diminished by their many, many successors. I’m going to guess that most of the people on this site wouldn’t be here without Star Wars. Well, Star Wars doesn’t exist without 2001 and probably Citizen Kane.
I don't really care for Eric Clapton at all. The real thing is better. But I do have to give him credit for having the courage to acknowledge this.
That was totally off topic though. 2001 is probably a good analogy though.
Hymie said:Yeah, 2001's big influences are the effects and second half of the film which are undoubtedly revolutionary. But there is a whole part of the film that is Kubrick on full self-indulgent mode, a problem I feel he had with every film after Dr. Strangelove, and that is largely what myself and others have been citing as the films' problems. Saying that 2001 influenced every film after and therefore should be absolved of criticism is unfair.
Moe_Syzlak said:Possessed said:Moe_Syzlak said:I think a lot of this is based on what I call “Eric Clapton Syndrome.” People don’t see the genius of 2001 or Citizen Kane because they've seen so many movies influenced by them that it seems just one of a crowd. But just as Eric Clapton’s blues-rock riffs are everywhere today, they were revelatory (to white people) at the time. So, too, do the influences of Citizen Kane and 2001 seem somewhat diminished by their many, many successors. I’m going to guess that most of the people on this site wouldn’t be here without Star Wars. Well, Star Wars doesn’t exist without 2001 and probably Citizen Kane.
I don't really care for Eric Clapton at all. The real thing is better. But I do have to give him credit for having the courage to acknowledge this.
That was totally off topic though. 2001 is probably a good analogy though.
That’s basically exactly why I use Clapton to make this point. I came of age as a music lover in the 70s and 80s. By that time every rock guitar player was playing those blues licks. When I heard that Clapton was revered as “god” I just didn’t get it. But what I came to realize was if you’d never heard it before, it was life changing.
Seeing 2001 in 2019 with a lifetime of experience with “space movies” it’s not going to have the same impact. But that doesn’t mean it still isn’t a masterpiece that, without it, much of what we cherish would not exist.