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THE HOBBIT: THE LEGENDARY EDIT (and Lord of the Rings Prequel)

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THE HOBBIT: THE LEGENDARY EDIT (and Lord of the Rings Prequel)

X-Mas 2023, for a more "serious" adventure !

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CHANGES LIST:
WARNING SPOILERS


EVERY SINGLE SCENE has been color graded to more closely match LOTR

0001 MGM Lion and WB logos are removed
0002 Red Apple Crew Alumni logo added
0012 A new opening using new narration has been created with “The Palantir” music from the LOTR CD Score
0023 All opening credit text "NEW LINE CINEMA" and "WINGNUT" etc. re-created using a new font
0026 Custom CAPTION of "BREE: Borders of the Shire" added to appear to leap from the map
0027 "Prologue" caption added
0028 Entire Prologue from H1T/X Deleted though some shots are used to create context relevant identical flashbacks later
0029 Prologue from H2 TDOS used here, but modified AND RUNS DIFFERENTLY DUE TO DIFFERING PLOTS THREAD not being present
0030 Peter Jackson's cameo is removed
0031 Entry to The Prancing Pony is trimmed
0033 Thorin’s exchange with Gandalf is trimmed, again for plot reasons
0048 The Flashback to Moria is trimmed with additional sound work and vignettes added
0059 Thrains pledge and warning to Thorin moved to a later flashback when Balin speaks to Bilbo, and the beheading close up is removed and relocated similarly
0074 Pale Halo Vignette surround added to the Moria flashback
0078 The Beheaded head foley is replaced and relocated to the later Balin recollection of the same event
0081 The Opening Title "The Hobbit: The Legendary Edit" is newly made
0092 The opening sequence where Bilbo strikes a match and walks down the corridor has complete new audio build to accommodate re-scoring and removal of all narration
0094 Bilbo looking at himself and contemplating the past is completely removed
0095 Opening stroll through Hobbiton, removed
0096 There is no vocal interaction between Bilbo and any other Hobbit prior to the dwarves showing up
0109 Bilbo's first meeting with Gandalf is removed….they already know eachother as will later be established
0115 A number of Bilbo's double takes and twitches are removed as are a number of redundant and clumsy lines. Alter Martin Freeman’s performance = (MFP)
0122 The arrival of Dwalin is shortened and his manners at the table tidied up somewhat
0129 The arrival of Fili and Kill is shorter and comedic elements removed with a more abrupt enrty
0134 The arrival of Balin is trimmed and the head-butt with Dwalin removed
0157 All material of the dwarves pranks prior to Thorin's arrival are removed
0160 Thorins arrival includes a shot of Bilbo looking at the food eaten.
0163 Thorin's arrival discussion with Bilbo has the reference to "experience of fighting" and "conkers" are removed
0166 The post Thorin arrival dinner antics up to Gandalf discussing the mission are completely removed
0177 Gandalf's briefing of the dwarves is shortened and kept to the point..flipped shots and reverse playback were required to achieve this.
0186 Contemporary idiom "I'm up for it" and "up his jacksie" from the dwarves and most outbursts during the mission briefing are removed…as is all contemporary idiom removed throughout.
0199 Thorins briefing to the Company omits elements.
0208 2 shots are flipped, and one is played back in reversed (Thorin Standing) to establish and maintain continuity
0212 Balins "not the brightest" removed
0218 Reference to "we are fighters" and "Gandalf will have killed hundreds of dragons" removed
0224 discussion about Bilbo being a burglar is trimmed and Bilbo's double take removed
0231 Contract review is trimmed and the warning about "fire breathing dragon" in order to keep it serious…so NO FAINTING either
0236 Bilbo and Gandalf’s fireside chat shortened, removing Bilbo's outburst and Gandalf history of Golf with the scoring starting earlier.
0240 Additional foley work to fireside scene and additional scoring so music starts earlier
0244 Dialogue during the fireside discussion is placed over a few shots "also a Took" from the rear to preserve continuity
0246 Balin and Thorin's discussion of losing their burglar is removed
0249 Bilbo searching for dwarves in the morning is slightly shortened to accommodate a scoring segue
0252 Bilbo running down the hill to go on "An Adventure" is removed
0254 Gambling references removed from the tightened up sequence where Bilbo joins the company of Thorin Oakenshield
0256 The voiceover as the Company depart where Bilbo is briefed by Gandalf is removed (it is superfluous and clunky)
0257 Company departure is re-scored
0259 The Company's first camp night is slightly trimmed to keep it serious
0263 A vignette halo is added to Balins telling of the Battle of Moria and the search for Thrain
0270 The first reveal of Azog post the campfire differs as an alternate Azog scene is used with altered subtitles to facilitate the new narrative
0280 Scoring changes applied
0289 The Company riding in the rain makes minor ref to radaghast, who is not in the edit And the sequence is score enhanced
0296 The stop at the farmhouse where "a farmer and his family" is rescored which has a "fellowship" motif to foreshadow that motif. This the first of two such motifs uses.
0318 A new flashback sequence was created which is underscored by Thorins Narration, which tells of the elves betrayal.
0325 The new flashback has bespoke color timing and vignette Halos and Moria drum underscores
0343 The nighttime intro is trimmed and contains a flipped shot to ensure continuity and an additional excision to remove humor and the “hooting owls routine” which is completely mis delivered IMHO
0348 The trolls dialogue has all contemporary idiom removed and is made significantly less silly (less soup, chicken and snot discussions)
0359 Bilbo is more decisive when dealing with the trolls with MFP trims throughout
0365 The fight sequence is slightly tighter and the threat to tear Bilbo is more menacing and scored
0373 The discussion to "plate up" is altered, and there are no references to parasites or tubes
0374 ”Secret ingredient” is altered
0375 Gandalf reveal is slightly tighter to ensure a good pace
0376 Gandalf’s reference to Thorin of a "darker power" is removed and comment about Bilbo using his "nouce"
0378 The Troll cave has some silliness and refines to "long term deposits" removed
0382 After Gandalf gives Bilbo the sword, the sequence next sequence differs as follows
0386 Bilbo unsheathes the sword as music builds and howls encroach, and the Warg attack ensues.
0394 Continue with the Warg chase, but Radaghats part is eliminated completely and the company ends up in the ravine/chasm.
0408 Journey to Rivendale with some minor dialogue trims to tone down Thorins hostility.
0413 The initial meeting with Elrond on horseback is trimmed to shorten the dwarves incredulity and trust issues.
0428 The stay at Rivendale is different to accommodate a degree of LOTR foreshadowing but to leave material for a newly constructed Epilogue.
0430 The dinner is quite short.
0438 All silliness and songs removed from the dinner
0445 The discussion about the moon runes is trimmed
0450 Elrond’s discussion with Bilbo about staying in Rivedale is trimmed
0453 No naked dwarves
0456 Elrond’s discussion with Gandalf about Thorin is removed
0458 The encounter with Saruman is different, The enemy is discussed, but no Morgul blade is seen or discussed since Radaghast is not in this version…material removed is repurposed for the Epilogue
0469 The meeting with Saruman is score differently
0480 The sequence discussing the burial of the enemy in the tombs is not located here and moved to the Epilogue
0485 Galadriels discussion with Gandalf post the dwarves leaving removes the offer of help, since that sequence later does not appear in this edit.
0496 Modified departure from Rivendale
0502 The stone giants are removed
0506 The scene in the cave where the company falls into the Goblin caves, has a Shorter discussion with Bofur & Bilbo
0536 The Goblin Tunnels section removes the songs , silly humour, and the creature on the pulley, etc. It is far more serious and threatening and is intercut with Gollums riddles, which is also shortened
0558 The escape from the Goblin tunnels is significantly re-edited and has silly moments removed
0560 Goblin King sends message to "the pale Orc" with no silly messenger
0583 The scene following the escape from the Goblins has a few minor trims, an enhanced ring effect (audio), and modern idiom removed
NOTE The 22 min which follow the company and Bilbo meeting up is effectively deleted, the pine cones and the walk to the ridge to view The Misty Mountain (which is too close frankly).
0593 A new bridge between H1 and H2 is created where Azog and his pack chase the company but do not find them, with significant audio work.
0601 The discussion about there being "a house near by" has some Bilbo double takes, silly statements etc. removed to play more menacingly
0603 Beorns morphing is re-edited and relocated to here rather than playing later
0621 The chase across the fields to Beorns house is unchanged, but the night sequence has tweaks to Bilbo looking at the ring and a new Azog sequence placed here with scoring and subtitle alterations to link the final battle to also avenging the goblin king
0663 The silly introductions are removed and small trims made to the discussions with Beorn.
0675 DEPARTURE of COMPANY from Beorns house the alliance is mentioned, but no tombs,
0681 The scene where the tombs are discussed has a shot removed of the flashback of the incarceration which was relocated to the discussion at Rivendale for the new epilogue, increasing the known peril later for a quasi cliffhanger.
0684 The approach to the MIrkwood is modified with enhanced scoring
0694 When Gandalf enters the forest he sees Sauron’s eye but not the discourse with Galadriel is removed
0725 The journey through the forest is extensively modified for pace and silliness removal, with major tonal differences as a result.
0726 Encounter with the Spiders differs …bilbo drops and finds ring but no heavy significance.
0739 Additional score enhancements, trim to overlong fight with spiders, less silliness and far less spider talking…with the scenes color dialed down
0743 Legolas has a short cameo in order to capture the dwarves, Tauriel is insignificant and the scene tightened up for pacing consistency
0749 Entry to Tharnduils abode is trimmed and dwarves are not seen to be incarcerated.
0765 Thorin / Thranduil discussion re-worked , scored and subtitle added to Thorins line (source: The One Ring.net)
0775 NEW FLASHBACK: While Thorin and Thranduil meet, a new flashback sequence illustrates Thranduils words regarding the white gems sing footage from the deleted prologue. New special FX, vignette framing, bespoke audio and scoring and foley are all added
0802 Subtitle added to Thorin'S insult to Thranduil. Translation sources from Onering.net
0824 This entire section of the film completely removed Legolas and Tauriel keeping the focus on the dwarves escape
0825 Bilbo's appearance is enhanced with a whoosh of the ring being removed.
0833 A number of minor trims to the escape leading to the barrel ride to remove Tauriel in all but one shot. Tauriel is just another elf.
0849 The slightly shorter ends to this sequence has all tomfoolery removed throughout.
0859 The Barrel ride removes Tauriel, Legolas and the orcs completely. Predominantly from The Spence Edit
0863 The encounter with Bard is reworked and trimmed
0875 This sequence where Gandalf visits the High Fells is removed. We never know where he went in th e books.
0882 The dwarves hiring Bard's barge removes the family banter removed. 0753 Book and Folio edits
0890 Trims across the lake, with Bofur's "watch out" removed
0893 Some silliness removed and trimming to make the Lonely Mountain reveal a tad more dramatic
0898 The fish poured into the barrels with minor trims for pacing and silliness removal.
0904 The walk across town and all the annoying people Are removed
0923 Bard has no children
0929 All references to the prophecy are removed
0932 The flashback to the Smaug attack removes the phrase "fired from a wind lance" since Bard does not use wind lance and this sorts a plot hole issue
0939 The raid for weapons is shortened.
0945 No orcs approach the town at any point and no attack takes place.
1062 The mayor has 3 lines of dialogue only, Alfrid is completely removed.
1075 Some shots of towns people are replaced since this is consistent visually with LOTR
1092 All Alfrid and Mayor interactions preceding this and following this are removed.
1137 Since there is no Orc attack and Tauriel also does not appear at all, all the dwarves must make to Erebor in the boat. this required building a completely new departure from lake town, flipping shots, trimming shots to give the impression all the dwarves board the boat. The new sequence has a complete ground up audio build, crowds, water, oars, cheering , medieval trumpets " thus removal of Mayors speech", music, and many many more effects. A single shot of Alfrid from the rear is seen.
1151 Continuing to cross the lake, slightly differing shot order of close ups, a truncated journey to the Overlook
1156 after Thorin say they will not wait pin the sized, with pacing trims.
1169 The trip to the hidden for is shortened and the entire exchange at the door removed.
1172 When he door opens and thuds, Smaug awakens. This moment is taken from the closing scene of the first hobbit movie.
1196 The briefing to Bilbo has some minor trims and is shorted so Bilbo is more decisive
1202 Trims to Bilbo’s mound climb with the folio edit inserting the earlier Smaug awakens reveal to here, after Bilbo pulls the goblet from the mound of gold.
1208 Throughout the encounter with Smaug a number of Bilbo’s twitches and double takes are removed as they are throughout the edits.
1219 edit continue with Bilbo’s exchange with Smaug from which some silly lines of dialogue are removed. Additional pacing trims are made
1239 The first time Bilbo runs away from Smaug is removed from the folio edit then Bilbo runs away the second time having seen the Arkenstone, he is seen to immediately pick it up. In the original movie we do not know Bilbo has the Arkenstone till later when we see it flashback. This finished the tension and by seeing that Bilbo does in fact have it increases the peril in later interactions with Thorin
1245 Ring whoosh are enhanced throughout since they are badly audible in the original versions
1250 The entire section of the dwarves preparing the furnaces to kill Smaug and the ensuing chase etc. with the molten gold is removed completely
1266 Bilbo is chased by Smaug who crashes through the halls and finally flies off. Trims to clunky dialogue and pacing throughout. The attack on Laketown follows
1293 Bard's showdown with Smaug is as complete as possible with the removal of Tauriel, Legolas and all children. Bard defeats Smaug single handedly and gratuitous material with Alfrid and the Mayor of Laketown is removed.
1312 Edits continue in the golden hall with some restructuring for pace and plot
1322 The refugees from Laketown at Esgaroth does not contain Alfrid
1326 The building of the barricade is relocated to here
1336 Thorin questioning loyalty is tightened up a tad
1348 The sequences that follow remove lucky dialogue, and pace tightened with the Dragon sickness exchange between Balin and Bilbo being slightly tighter and enhanced with music for dramatic purposes.
1359 Thranduils arrival and Bards interaction to Esgaroth is recut to remove Alfrid and to heighten the tension build
1466 Unnecessary build up and repetitive exposition is removed
1478 Gandalf’s arrival at Esgaroth is reedit end to accommodate dialogue changes and removal of Alfrid
1501 Gandalf discussion with Thranduil is modified
1509 Continue with Azog at the tunnels. Subtitles have been changed to explain the tunnels by reference to the "Earth eaters" rather than wider worms, with a new sequence to show the coming hoards and then arguing back to Erebor. Custom sound and music.
1524 This continues with Bilbo being given the Mithril vest which contains trims and deletions either side.
1622 Bilbo's departure from Erebor shortens his interaction with Bofur.
1635 Bilbo’s discussion when handing over the Arkenstone is trimmed of annoying gestures and is slightly shorter in the FE
1658 Dain's dialogue removes the section where he tells all to "sod off" and the word "bastards" is surgically excised.
1668 A number of awkward looking shots of goats are removed
1683 To tie into the earlier reference to the tunnels and "earth eaters" a new sequence has the gathered armies attention drawn to Azog commanding the armies to come forth from what we already know to be tunnels . No worms appear in this sequence.
1739 At this point, Azog commands "send in the war beasts". The section that follows is unique for pacing issues. The fighting is trimmed for pace and better continuity.
1768 All children are removed from the edits since most are relatives of Peter Jackson and they just don't look like they should even be there.
1775 Alternative shots are used for continuity and pacing.
1889 Additional trims to fighting including the axe throwing and score enhanced
1901 The dwarves emergence from Erebor is slightly quicker and is rescored
1932 During the ensuing battle only a few moments of levity are retained, and Gandalf exclamation "they are rallying to their King' is retained
1965 Thorins stating he will kill Azog the used the Theatrical version riding goats to reach Ravenhill, with many poor FX shores removed
1977 Use of the extended versions chariot attack which has 3 sections removed and tightened up action and less silliness
1994 biggest change from here is the removal of Tauriel and Legolas from the proceedings
2019 Legolas does not shoot an arrow shot from afar. Thorin kills the assailant. Watch to see how.
2033 Kili now fights the Orc alone, no Tauriel
2036 The one on one fight with Azog has some trims and score enhancements
2048 When the Eagles arrive the shot of Radaghast is removed from FE.
2059 The funeral has the shot of Rhadghast removed in the BE and FE.
2063 A number of shot repurposings occur in the funeral and the hor shot is truncated and flipped for continuity.
2068 return to Hobbiton is omitted and the journey is retained and has a few trims and Bilbo’s twitches removed.
2089 An epilogue at the white Council setting up LOTR by saying the enemy is watching, added...a real shock and again sets up LOTR
2092 The film ends with a new caption and audio rebuild “TO BE CONCLUDED IN LOTR”
2109 Custom credits follow tin the eye of Sauron Turing up in the TE.
2115 Wraith Logo
2120 FE Thanks to others.
2135 Custom music mix for end credits.
END TITLES - Custom mix
The Misty Mountains
The Dwarf Lords (Bonus Track)
The LAst Goodbye

SCORING ENHANCEMENTS
03 - Beyond Sorrow & Grief - Hobbit; The Battle of the Five Armies [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack] [Special Edi, Disc 1 -
01 - My Dear Frodo - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
01 - The Quest for Erebor - Hobbit; The Desolation of Smaug SE 1 - Various Artists
02 - Old Friends - The Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey, Disc 1 - Howard Shore
05 - Axe or Sword¿ - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
09 - An Ancient Enemy - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
03 - Out from Bree ( Alternate) - The Lord of the Rings; the Rarities Archive - Howard Shore
11 - The Trollshaws - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
15 - Warg-scouts - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
07 - Under Hill - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 2 - Howard Shore
10 - Emyn Muil (Alternate) - The Lord of the Rings; the Rarities Archive - Howard Shore
10 - Out of the Frying-Pan - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 2 - Howard Shore
12 - The Eaves of Fangorn (Alternate) - The Lord of the Rings; the Rarities Archive - Howard Shore
26 - The Paths Of The Dead - LOTR_ The Return Of The King_ The Complete Recordings - Howard Shore
32 - The Tomb Of The Stewards - LOTR_ The Return Of The King_ The Complete Recordings - Howard Shore
11 - Bard, a Man of Lake-town (Extended Version) - Hobbit; The Desolation of Smaug [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
01 - Thrice Welcome - Hobbit; The Desolation of Smaug [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 2 - Howard Shore
12 - Smaug (Extended Version) - Hobbit; The Desolation of Smaug [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 2 - Howard Shore
02 - Sons of Durin - Hobbit; The Battle of the Five Armies [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack] [Special Edi, Disc 2 - Howard Shore
11 - Dragon-sickness - Hobbit; The Battle of the Five Armies [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack] [Special Edi, Disc 2 - Howard Shore
11 –Battle of The Mountain: Hobbit; The Battle of the Five Armies [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack] [Special Edi, Disc 1 - Howard Shore
05 - To the Death - Hobbit; The Battle of the Five Armies [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack] [Special Edi, Disc 2 - Howard Shore
19 - Sammath Naur (Alternate) - The Lord of the Rings; the Rarities Archive - Howard Shore
31 - The Mirror Of Galadriel - LOTR_ The Fellowship Of The Ring_ The Complete Recordings - Howard Shore
10 - The Palantír - LOTR_ The Return Of The King_ The Complete Recordings - Howard Shore
13 - Dreaming of Bag End - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 2 - Howard Shore

FOLEY:
FOOTSTEPS on FLOORBOARDS
MATCH STRIKE
AMBIENT NIGHT
AMBNIENT LIGHT WIND
ASSORTED THUDS
FLASHBACK WHOOSH
MACRO WHOOSH
WOLF GROWLS
WOLF HOWLS
NIGHT ANIMALS
NIGHT WIND
WHOOSH GLASS
SCOLEX
FX TOWN BELL
FX TOWN ATMOS
FX WATER
FX PADDLE WATER
FX BOAT YAWN
FX BOAT 2
FX CROWD
FX FANFARE HORNS MEDIEVAL
FX DOCK WALK
FX TOWN BELL
FX CLAP
FX APPLAUD
FC CHEERS
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I for one, am very excited to watch this workprint because I know that this Hobbit edit is going to be a much different path to the Lonely Mountain. I just finished watching the edit that myself and most people I know consider to be the best single take edit so I'm ready to rock!
 

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This looks really good. I am really excited to see it. The ”bookish” type fanedits like the the Q2s IT: The Bookish Edit always interested me. I really liked the book and the movie trilogy had many good scenes, but it was overall clearly overstretched. I am looking forward to see Wraiths Edit in action.
 
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DETAILS
IN April of 2015 I saw @spence take of The Hobbit...and my eyes were opened...

It was then that I embarked on a 4 year editing marathon to create my own versions....YES Plural...

  • THE TOLKIEN EDIT 5 hrs
  • THE BOOK EDIT 4hrs
  • THE FOLIO EDIT 3.5 hrs
  • THE MOVIE 2.5 Hrs
The Tolien edit was released as a two parter,
This release will be my updated Book (ish) edit....now THE LEGENDARY EDIT

All versions were derived from editing down the Tolkien Edit, though there are significant structural differences between This Book Edi and the version it is derived from.

Both however are constructed to be direct prequels to The Lord of The Rings not just in story, but in tone and color grading.

TONE:
Many many microedits alter the performances of the actors, to create a far more serious tone to the events that unfold.
The pacing is still carefully constructed and any book invetion is removed.

The White Council is retained, and in this version is more to the point, but is restructured (no spoilers).
These evens, though NOT in the book of The Hobbit, are touched upon in the LOTR appendices of the books, and so are retained.

Does anyone want yet another Hobbit Edit?

Well, I frankly think that given that many of the unique elements in this version have yet to emerged in the plethora of other edits, I was persuaded by many (who have seen this), to finally let it be seen more widely. @ArtisDead was significantly encouraging and persistent over many years, and so here we go.

CHANGES: BROADLY:
Unique opening
No Giants
No Songs
Less silliness
No Alfrid (one shot only)
No prophecy
No kids
No Tauriel
Legolas is just another elf at this point
More seriousness
No Radaghast rabbits
No crazy physics
No Black Arrow
No Liquid Gold
NEW flashbacks
NEW EPILOGUE
Music cues from LOTR
Chapter captions added throughout, to match the book
and in excess of 1500 more changes...!

etc.

SOME DETAILS:
The Book Edit reduces forshadowing and runs 4 hrs 5 mins (10 mins less tha The Return of the King Extended Edition.

The numbers indicate the "change count"

0005 Bilbo's voiceover line "it began long ago", extracted and added
0007 "Prologue" caption added
0008 Entire Prologue from H1T/X Deleted though some shots are used to create context relevant flashbacks later
0009 New Prologue
0010 Peter Jackson's cameo is removed
0013 Thorins exchange with Gandalf is trimmed
0018 The Flashback to Moria is trimmed
0019 Thrains pledge and warning to Thorin moved to a new later flashback
0034 Pale Halo Vignette surround added to the Moria flashback
0038 The Beheaded bouncing head removed, and relocated to the later Balin recollection of the same event
0041 The Opening Title "The Hobbit" is newly made
0042 The opening sequence where Bilbo strikes a match and walks down the corridor has complete new audio build to accommodate re-scoring
0047 Isolated Bilbo voiceover is used to narrate opening
0046 Bilbo looking at himself and contemplating the past is completely rebuilt to accommodate scoring change and voice over changes
0062 Caption "Chapter 1: An Unexpected Party" added
0063 Opening stroll through Hobbiton no vocal interaction between Bilbo and any other Hobbit
0077 Bilbo's first meeting with Gandalf is significantly re-edited with no captions
0095 A number of Bilbo's double takes and twitches are removed as are a number of redundant and clumsy lines
0102 The arrival of Dwalin is shortened and his manners at the table tidied up somewhat
0096 The arrival of Fili and Kill is shorter and comedic elements removed
0114 The arrival of Balin is trimmed and the head-butt with Dwalin removed
0117 All material of the dwarves pranks prior to Thorin's arrival are removed
0123 Thorin's arrival discussion with Bilbo has the reference to "experience of fighting" and "conkers" are removed
0127 Gandalf's briefing of the dwarves is shortened and kept to the point..with no silliness
0136 Contemporary idiom "I'm up for it" and "up his jacksie" removed
0147 Reference to "we are fighters" and "Gandalf will have killed hundreds of dragons" removed

1200 further changes ommited for ease and not to spoil things
etc.
1363 Kili now fights the Orc alone, no Tauriel
1386 The one on one fight with Azog has some trims and score enhancements
1409 The funeral has the shot of Rhadghast removed

1452 The BE has a new longer epilogue to set up LOTR etc....
 
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A selection of the many scoring enhancements and changes made in the LEGENDARY EDIT, including pieces NEVER used in and MIDDLE EARTH movie.s LOTR tracks are in BOLD
03 - Beyond Sorrow & Grief - Hobbit; The Battle of the Five Armies [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack] [Special Edi, Disc 1 -
01 - My Dear Frodo - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
01 - The Quest for Erebor - Hobbit; The Desolation of Smaug SE 1 - Various Artists
02 - Old Friends - The Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey, Disc 1 - Howard Shore
05 - Axe or Sword¿ - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
09 - An Ancient Enemy - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
03 - Out from Bree ( Alternate) - The Lord of the Rings; the Rarities Archive - Howard Shore
11 - The Trollshaws - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
15 - Warg-scouts - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
07 - Under Hill - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 2 - Howard Shore
10 - Emyn Muil (Alternate) - The Lord of the Rings; the Rarities Archive - Howard Shore
10 - Out of the Frying-Pan - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 2 - Howard Shore
12 - The Eaves of Fangorn (Alternate) - The Lord of the Rings; the Rarities Archive - Howard Shore
26 - The Paths Of The Dead - LOTR_ The Return Of The King_ The Complete Recordings - Howard Shore

32 - The Tomb Of The Stewards - LOTR_ The Return Of The King_ The Complete Recordings - Howard Shore
11 - Bard, a Man of Lake-town (Extended Version) - Hobbit; The Desolation of Smaug [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 1 - Howard Shore
01 - Thrice Welcome - Hobbit; The Desolation of Smaug [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 2 - Howard Shore
12 - Smaug (Extended Version) - Hobbit; The Desolation of Smaug [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 2 - Howard Shore
02 - Sons of Durin - Hobbit; The Battle of the Five Armies [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack] [Special Edi, Disc 2 - Howard Shore
11 - Dragon-sickness - Hobbit; The Battle of the Five Armies [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack] [Special Edi, Disc 2 - Howard Shore
05 - To the Death - Hobbit; The Battle of the Five Armies [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack] [Special Edi, Disc 2 - Howard Shore
19 - Sammath Naur (Alternate) - The Lord of the Rings; the Rarities Archive - Howard Shore
31 - The Mirror Of Galadriel - LOTR_ The Fellowship Of The Ring_ The Complete Recordings - Howard Shore
10 - The Palantír - LOTR_ The Return Of The King_ The Complete Recordings - Howard Shore

13 - Dreaming of Bag End - Hobbit; An Unexpected Journey [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack], Disc 2 - Howard Shore

END TITLES - Custom mix
There and back Again
The Misty Mountains
The Dwarf Lords (Bonus Track)
The LAst Goodbye
 
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This looks really good. I am really excited to see it. The ”bookish” type fanedits like the the Q2s IT: The Bookish Edit always interested me. I really liked the book and the movie trilogy had many good scenes, but it was overall clearly overstretched. I am looking forward to see Wraiths Edit in action.
Decided to load up the NLE...6 more mins removed...
rt 3h 59 min...
 

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Revisions to Trailer being made, since there are elements in the trailer that are NOT in the edit anymore...
 

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Frankly, It's kinda sad seeing talented editor as yourself making 342376th Hobbit edit :(

I'd argue that means he still isn't satisfied fully with whats available and we'd potentially get a definitive version. As much as I appreciate the hobbit edits I'd argue we haven't seen the one to rule them all just yet. Particularly the final war can be improved imo.

Wraith did you know there are 5.1 versions of the original score available? Actual 5.1 versions of just the music (LOTR not the Hobbit though).
 
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Wraith did you know there are 5.1 versions of the original score available? Actual 5.1 versions of just the music.
Yup…
I have the complete recordings collection on lossless dvd…
Awesome…
But it is missing some of the alternates cues I used….

The 5.1 music is outstanding on my Bose…BUT, it’s to sonically spacially distinct in places… as in violins left, cellos Center, horns rear…

That becomes sonically confusing when layered into the edit… I first tested it years ago with LOTR… I was going to replace all the music. But it was overwhelming on the ears and brain the two tests I did…

So I reverted to 2 or 3 channel placement…less invasive… but fascinating experiment…
And no, I lost those tests in a drive failure a decade ago… :(

…..then again, what about a music only 60 min montage in lossless 5:1?
 

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EDIT IS LOCKED at 3hrs 59 minutes.

I originally thought I was going to just subbmit my BOOKISH EDIT...However, I have made over 100 further changes to this...most are performance tweaks, audio levels, 8 mins of further excisions, a NEW OPENING with NEW SARUMAN NARRATION, some additional scene relocations, some pacing changes, even more micro edits and flash frame removals.

This will drop in December as promised.

Now undergoing final QC with two very generous editors…
 
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