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Star Wars VIII - The Last Jedi

Saw it. Loved it. New Star Wars, for real. Need a rewatch to consider how it ranks (does it have to rank?), but I was enthralled throughout and feeling like this was the best yet.
 
Saw it. It's enjoyable in places, but has glaringly big flaws. Adam, Mark and Carrie are the stars of the movie and really make sure it holds together. It ends in such a way that you don't even need a third movie.
 
Back from seeing it this evening and I enjoyed it overall.

It had a lot of great stuff but was dragged down by slack editing, pacing and storytelling. All the scenes involving Daisy, Mark and Adam were stellar but everything (and everyone) around that was an incoherent, unfocused and convoluted mess. Almost 'Batman v Superman' levels of pointless plot nonsense that went nowhere. I had no real urge to see fanedits of TFA (because it was near enough to perfect that I could live with it) but I'm definitely going to need a fanedit of this one. Keep all the Daisy/Mark/Adam stuff and then bolt on as little of everything else as can be managed... then you'd have a worthy sequel to TFA.
 
TM2YC said:
Back from seeing it this evening and I enjoyed it overall.

It had a lot of great stuff but was dragged down by slack editing, pacing and storytelling. All the scenes involving Daisy, Mark and Adam were stellar but everything (and everyone) around that was an incoherent, unfocused and convoluted mess. Almost 'Batman v Superman' levels of pointless plot nonsense that went nowhere. I had no real urge to see fanedits of TFA (because it was near enough to perfect that I could live with it) but I'm definitely going to need a fanedit of this one. Keep all the Daisy/Mark/Adam stuff and then bolt on as little of everything else as can be managed... then you'd have a worthy sequel to TFA.
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I liked the Poe/Leia stuff quite a bit, but the Rose/Finn stuff is worthless.
 
TM2YC said:
...everything (and everyone) around that was an incoherent, unfocused and convoluted mess. Almost 'Batman v Superman' levels of pointless plot nonsense that went nowhere.
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I totally agree with you on this comparison. It's sad to know that we will get three more convoluted stories from Johnson.
 
I forgot to mention that Snoke's scenes were also terrific. The FX were nicely creepy and his relationship with Kylo was very well written and powerful.

Unlike R1 where it's essentially unfixable (fully) because it is missing stuff IMO, TLJ has everything there to be a classic Star Wars movie once, the faneditors get in there. If fanedits werent a thing I'd be more disapointed but I content to play the waiting game for the blu-ray to hit stores in early 2018.
 
I liked it, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that I loved it.  It's still leaps and bounds better than the prequels, but unlike the last two years, I'm not moving Return of the Jedi down in my rankings. 

What I liked:

  • Luke / Rey / Kylo / Snoke stuff is great.  
  • BB-8 continues to be just adorable.
  • Poe finally gets more to do, and steals the show in the first act.
  • Leia is generally well-handled.  Rest in peace Carrie.
  • Porgs are fun, never annoying, never overused.  Much more akin to  Tribbles than Ewoks.
  • Rey and Kylo versus the royal guard kicked ass!
  • Did Luke do a freaking bullet-time lightsaber dodge?  Everything I know and love is becoming one!
  • Yoda!  And the ads didn't spoil the surprise of it!
  • Some humor works very well.  The call holding bit, BB-8 mistaken for a slot machine - love it.
  • Hux considering putting Kylo down and seizing power is a magnificent bit of dialogue-free character development.  
  • Above all else, the movie does a great job of subverting expectations.  I was genuinely surprised more often than not.
  • What I disliked:
    • Chewie, Maz, and Artoo got demoted to cameos.
    • One character comes out of a coma just in time for another to go in?  That's... weird.
    • Rose is underdeveloped as a character.
    • The entire Finn/Rose Cenobite - er, Canto Bight casino planet arc felt tacked on to me.  It raises thematic questions about war profiteering, animal abuse, and slave labor that goes nowhere, and has next to nothing to do with anything.
    • Del Toro's Slicer character could have been really cool and charismatic, but he just comes across as awkward and underused.
    • There's a high-roller casino planet, and not even a single mention of Lando?  Absurd, this stuff writes itself.
    • So... who was Snoke?  How'd he seize power?  What was his relationship to the Sith, if any?  Guess we'll never find out.
    • What happened to the Knights of Ren?  Did they even get mentioned?  Where they the new royal guard?
    • Why is the royal guard so much more capable than Kylo in combat?  Are they Force users?  Why are they both great and terrible at their job?
    • Some humor felt very forced, akin to recent Marvel movies in their awkward placement.
    • Did they actually omit "I have a bad feeling about this." ?!?!  That's blasphemy!  I hope I just somehow failed to hear it.  
    • The purple-haired admiral comes across as utterly incompetent, until she suddenly isn't.  I never, ever took her seriously as an authority figure, or someone worthy of Leia's trust.  Why couldn't Ackbar have just had her role?  Then you get at least a reasonable grey area between young upstarts and the old guard.
    • They spend so much time tearing at our heartstrings with the Leia fakeout death that Ackbar's is glossed over.  I mourn for the fish-man, damnit.  He deserved better.
    • I think the tone and direction of the plot is entirely too cynical.  Darker middle chapters are mandatory, but I think they just went too far with the nihilism and hopelessness.  Nobody in the galaxy comes to help?  No-one?  Luke considered child murder?  Even for a second, that's bantha poodoo.  We spent three movies telling the story of how he resisted becoming like his father.  Too much backpedaling.  I hope Kylo's lying about Rey's parentage.  I do like the notion of humble origins leading to greatness, but there's way too much mystery squandered in the process.  
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    Again, it's a good movie.  I'm glad to have seen it, and happier still to not have been spoiled about anything.  I strongly recommend going in fresh.  But the fan editor in me couldn't help but find some aspects of the movie questionable. 
 
I expect this one to be the most polarizing entry yet.  Heck, I'm wrestling with my own feelings on the film.  There's a lot to like, but the stuff I disliked is weighing heavy.  Two years ago, I felt the magic, I looked forward to what was yet to come.  Now I'm just kind of... mellow?  Unenthused? Pessimistic?

And this is coming from the guy who saw Attack of the Clones in theaters four times, so make of that what you will.
 
matrixgrindhouse said:
And this is coming from the guy who saw Attack of the Clones in theaters four times
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MGH, who was punishing you and why?
 
matrixgrindhouse said:
And this is coming from the guy who saw Attack of the Clones in theaters four times, so make of that what you will.
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Watching Attack of the Clones resulted in me being so disgusted with cinema that I didn't watch another movie in theaters for 8+ years. I totally get the "mellow" feeling you describe. I'd go so far as to say I'm apathetic to this story now.
 
ssj said:
matrixgrindhouse said:
And this is coming from the guy who saw Attack of the Clones in theaters four times
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MGH, who was punishing you and why?
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I liked it at the time, at least in comparison to Menace.  Granted, two of the repeat viewings were with the intention of seeing different cuts of the film; the 35mm, digital, and IMAX cuts were all different.  George didn't even wait for the DVD to start changing that one up.  The fourth time was IMAX again.  It was by far the strongest cut of the movie (it minimized the awful dialogue in favor of the visuals), and looked pretty darn awesome.
 
I really liked TLJ.  Bummed out a bit that some of my favorite people here didn't enjoy it that much.

I do agree, however, that it needs more of a trim than TFA.
 
Not a great film. Like I predicted on another Star Wars forum, snoke was useless. 
Lukes character treatment was pitiful, that character deserved more.
I didn’t know Leah was superman.
Nice that Anikins saber get tossed like nothing....which is how I feel about the movie....
The problem with this movie comes from TFA.

I guess it’s a good space shooter movie, not a Star Wars Saga film for me...given that fact the in between episodes a few years pass...but not the sequel trilogy. 

Oh, Reys parents....who cares. Sorry folks 1 to 3 were better and more original than 7 and 8. That’s my opinion, so bash me all you want (for expressing my opinion)

Movie was good as far as a movie goes, definitely not great and not Star Wars for me. Waste of potential
 
I did get a prequel vibe from this movie. Not in the sense of visuals, which were brilliant, but in terms of lost potential and dialogue/story telling. Most all of this feeling came from the mind numbing syfy quality Finn and Rose subplot. I'm pretty sure that could have been, and should have been, on Firefly.

I was pretty done with Johnson's message of "retreat to live and fight another day" that he beat to death. He essentially neutered both the Resistance and the First Order in this movie, imho.

Rey and Ren's story flirted with brilliance, but ultimately fell flat for me and stayed safe with expected outcomes. His explanation and development of Like was fantastic. I especially appreciated Johnson's risk in making this Luke. I felt it reminded us that Like was still that young boy in Tatooine, struggling to hold the weight of his calling. I loved that part of the story.

I'm shocked to say the least that Johnson decided to be so vague about Snoke, the First Order, and well anything that didn't directly involve Rey, Ren or Luke.

Everything else felt like it was pushing Rian's retreat, survive, rebel agenda. That's what this movie did as a Star Wars movie for me. It retreated, survived, And rebelled at taking chances, imho. It played it relatively safe, removed things we didn't like so that we could have a fresh start to end it with a bang, and hopefully a good story for epIX.


TVs Frink said:
Bummed out a bit that some of my favorite people here didn't enjoy it that much.
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Hopefully I'll make that list one day ;)
 
I'm currently finished with the pan&scan for TFA VHS, so that means I kinda rewatched it. You know, learning Kylo's story and his development in TLJ, it gives a different feeling of Ren as a villain. It's like watching A New Hope knowing Obi Wan and Anakin's relationship from the prequels.
 
theryaney said:
It's like watching A New Hope knowing Obi Wan and Anakin's relationship from the prequels.
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Prequels? Wait, what are those? There are more good Star Wars movies?

Sorry had to embrace the inner troll on that one.
 
DigModiFicaTion said:
theryaney said:
It's like watching A New Hope knowing Obi Wan and Anakin's relationship from the prequels.
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Prequels? Wait, what are those? There are more good Star Wars movies?

Sorry had to embrace the inner troll on that one.
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Lots of people seem to have a problem with Luke's portrayal, which confuses me.

Luke has always been reckless and prone to emotional reactions. It's completely within his character to have that split second of rash decision making. As for the lightsaber, I thought that was completely in character too. The guy clearly wants no part in any of this from the outset.

I can't wait to see this film with the silliness and the FinnRose stuff gone. Maybe then I'd see what all the "Best since Empire" crowd are seeing.
 
I say "Best since Empire" not because I overlook the FinnRose or many other flaws, it's because we felt that this had its flaws when inspected carefully, but truly enjoyable, has that adventure feel of Star Wars and diversity, and also did I mention that the plot is pretty simple and straightforward. It's just: The Resistance need to flee. And in the end that's just it. There are some slow things, I know, and useless to the plot stuff, like Canto Bight, but that expands this world, and gives some breathing room and to enjoy the visuals. That's what makes it the best since Empire.

But it's your opinion so... 

Mr. Scrib, wrong picture: :p

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