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Star Wars - The Final Order by Spence
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Very much a layman's opinion. Some things work in your head that don't so well in practise. TROS's hyperactive editing can't be helping with that at all I imagine.
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JJ Abrams films are an absolute nightmare to do anything with. Most of the time he doesn't even do establishing shots. Did you know there's not one establishing shot of the Resistance base in the entire movie? We literally have no reference as to where any of it is in relation to the rest of it.
It wasn't this bad in TFA, but it's always been this way. He's more concerned about energy than effective storytelling. That can work, sometimes, but not with a story this dense with this many locations.
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See, stuff like that makes me sad; because there's actually instances where it's really clever to not have establishing shots, like opening a movie with closeup for intensity, then cutting to a wide/establishing shot to relieve the tension (Pulp Fiction, Raging Bull, Herditary). People who are careless with coverage make it much harder for filmmakers who want to go against the norm to do so, because nobody trusts them to know what they're doing (EVEN WHEN THEY DO!!)
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I agree. And I love some outside the box directing/editing choices. But JJ does it to overwhelm you with momentum to mask the fact that the script needed a few more passes.
Which is fine. When it works. His first Trek movie and TFA literally make no sense, but they're fun as hell. MI-3 rarely justifies why anything at all is happening, but it's one of the most enjoyable films in the series.
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Done.
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I didn't know but it's not surprising to hear. I recall a lot of 'character runs from parked ship' shots to establish their arrival with little variation. Easy and quick. Abrams' worst tendencies must have been compounded by the massive rush. His hit the ground running approach makes for an exciting start to something, but that pace at the end feels like he just ran the story into a wall.
I was gonna mention the new establishing shot. It looks good. I wonder if Battlefront 2 could be of any assistance if you need anything more. Ajan Kloss was added as a map. Probably good looking enough for scenery.
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Here's my draft of the ending. Honestly, I'm pretty happy with it. A nice emotional beat to end the film on without all the "I'm Rey" nonsense.
I thought I was going to have to create a shot to make it work, but I just played around with what was available between the original version and the various fanedits, and was able to do it with the existing material. There's almost always a simpler way to get what you're going for!
I thought I was going to have to create a shot to make it work, but I just played around with what was available between the original version and the various fanedits, and was able to do it with the existing material. There's almost always a simpler way to get what you're going for!
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Right at the start it sounds like you're crossfading from one piece of score to another, but otherwise it all seems to flow very well. I haven't really familiarised myself with your thread so I don't have any narrative comments.
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Oh my god... that three-shot with Kylo is such a better end to the Skywalker saga than any single frame of Abrams version of the film
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Can't take credit for that. It's from HAL9000's edit, which is great. I rearranged footage from his version and the theatrical for this.
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Cuts and Additions (changes from TROS Ascendent are marked with an asterisk, my changes are in bold):
- Overall color correction using LUTs provided by skenera*
- Added a new opening crawl
STAR WARS
EPISODE IX
THE FINAL ORDER
Flames of rebellion burn across the galaxy. The tyrannical First Order has retaliated by attacking any planetary system that supports the Resistance.
General Leia Organa, struggling to recover from her wounds, helps Rey continue training to harness her powerful, and dangerous, connection to the Force.
Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing whispers of a hidden power that would allow him to destroy any threat to his rule....
- Added two new establishing shots to the opening Mustafar sequence to slow the pacing slightly, building on what was done for V1 (visual FX from poppasketti, Movies Remastered, NeverarGreat, and 21C Peasant as well as audio assistance from LILLIAN02230)*
- Added a subtle call from Palpatine, saying “Find me,” as Kylo Ren picks up the Wayfinder*
- Removed Palpatine's lines about making Snoke and being every voice inside Kylo's head.
- Replaced the vat of cloned Snokes with cloned Palpatine’s (FX by poppasketti)*
- Removed the slight electrical crackle as Palpatine reveals his hands (FX by skenera)*
- Moved Palpatine describing spirit transfer into his first scene, turning it into a warning to Kylo Ren and setting up stakes for later (RogueLeader idea)*
- Palpatine scene now ends on "as the new emperor", removing the part about Rey.
- Moved the scene with Chewie, Poe, and Finn playing holochess to the end of the movie, with a shot having been modified here to depict dropping out of hyperspace (FX by poppasketti)*
- Replaced Finn’s now first line “Artoo” with “Look sharp” (dgraham414 idea)*
- Removed lightspeed skipping sequence. It made no sense given how hyperspace has always been depicted, as quick travel, not teleportation. Now, the Falcon bursts through the ice wall while jumping to hyperspace, and the pursuing TIEs peel off, ending the scene (visual FX by poppasketti)*
- Only because he has no proper introduction and would appear suddenly due to other changes made, removed Klaud from a few shots (FX by poppasketti)*
- The scene now transitions to Kylo and his separate vision from Rey. We stay with him through to his mask being repaired. A new establishing shot of a star destroyer has been added.
- Kylo now has a vision separate from Rey’s, before reforging his mask, better establishing his motivation for doing so (by DominicCobb)*
- New establishing shot of Ajan Kloss and some visuals of the jungle before jumping to Rey on the training course. All of Leia's scenes and the "be with me" set up are removed.
- The blue Skywalker lightsaber is now portrayed throughout the film with a somewhat ‘cracked’ appearance similar to Kylo Ren’s in order to build on the conclusion to TLJ and reflect Rey’s inner conflict (visual FX by kewlfish, Luke Frik, and Movies Remastered)*
- Leia's death scene now occurs where Rey's vision originally was placed, cutting back and forth between Rey and Kylo feeling it through the Force.
- Poe and Finn returning to the base has been replaced with the one later in the film, where they are told Leia is dead. We then cut to Leia's funeral.
- Moved Kylo meeting the First Order Generals to here.
- Added the planet Coruscant to two shots during the scene with Kylo Ren in a boardroom on his Star Destroyer (visual FX by poppasketti)*
- Cut from "hunting for the scavenger" to the Resistance briefing. New music and establishing shot used for the transition.
- Replaced Poe’s lines, including “Somehow, Palpatine returned,” with part of the Emperor’s speech being played, implied to be part of the gathered intel*
- Removed Leia from this scene.
- Removed a line of dialogue establishing an unnecessary 16-hour ‘ticking clock’ to the plot*
- Rey now runs to get the Jedi book, but then sits and reads it, discovering the page about the Wayfinder. We now transition straight to them leaving the base and going right to Pasaana.
- Leia and Rey scene removed before leaving the planet. Slightly reordered surrounding scenes to accommodate.
- Removed Poe’s use of the word ‘random.’*
- The puppet show now depicts Luke’s feats at the Battle of Crait in TLJ, strengthening the idea that Luke’s ‘legend’ has taken root in the galaxy. (RogueLeader handmade and filmed puppet elements influenced by designs from CaptainFaraday and Cinefy, poppasketti and Movies Remastered provided a tedious clean backplate, and ThisIsCreation provided a new vocal dub for the alien narrator)*
- Removed some of the dialogue with Rey and the child. She doesn't ask her for her last name anymore, as that doesn't play into the story at any point.
- Cut some of Kylo Ren's dialogue with Rey relating to her parents.
- After Kylo Ren says “I will find you,” cut him saying “…and turn you to the dark side.” It’s implied that he will try to do that once he finds her, but why say it aloud? He should be trying to seduce her to the dark side and masking his intentions.*
- Moved the scene forward in which Rey’s necklace is reported to be traced to Pasaana aboard the Star Destroyer, for better pacing. Trooper line modified not to show him reporting Rey and company’s identities. (Ziggyonice idea)*
- Used a foreign language dub for a milder delivery of Lando’s chauffeur’s one line*
- Removed the end of the Lando scene where they discuss Leia as if she's alive. Added a new transition using footage from TFA of some Tie Fighters flying by.
- Removed the “they fly now” gag*
- Removed Finn telling Rey he “never told you—“ while the heroes sink in the quicksand, as well as two subsequent references to it.*
- Cut Leia's scene back at the base.
- Removed Rey commenting that “horrible things” have happened with the dagger.*
- Rey's vision is moved to here, and tied to the strong dark energy of the dagger. References to her parents are removed, focusing the vision solely on dark Rey and the Sith throne.
- Added a few lines of dialogue throughout the film to the Knights of Ren (sourced from project by axlanian and krausfadr, with voice recordings submitted by axlanian, krausfadr, Ben, axlanian’s wife, poppasketti, DG)*
- Extended the confrontation between Rey and Kylo’s TIE in the desert using footage from the trailer (by DominicCobb)*
- Removed the explosion of Kylo Ren’s TIE, though it still rolls after being sliced by Rey*
- After Kylo Ren’s TIE is destroyed, for the remainder of the film his TIE is depicted with a differently color stripe (visual FX by poppasketti)*
- Removed Rey's overly dramatic "CHEWIE!" to keep her at more of a stunned silence and shock.
- Added new shot of Ochi’s ship taking off with the heroes as Kylo Ren watches in order to slightly slow the pace (visual FX by poppasketti)*
- When Rey mentions her vision of seeing the Sith throne, she comments she saw herself on it, making no reference to Kylo Ren, for greater consistency with her vision as seen by the audience and connection to her inner conflict of identity (RogueLeader idea)*
- Removed part of Poe’s line about their efforts being for nothing, allowing 3PO’s statement later to feel original to him*
- Reordered shots to show Rey contemplating before asking 3PO to consider going through with the memory wipe*
- Chewie is not revealed to be alive until Rey senses him from Kijimi. *
- Zorri gives Poe a cold stare, muting her line about seeing his brains in the snow*
- Removed dialogue referencing R2 backing up 3PO’s memory, which immediately destroyed any weight his sacrifice had before it had even happened, practically stating to the audience what will later happen.*
- Removed “from the Southern shore” from 3PO’s recital of the Sith dagger inscription to better fit in with its altered characteristics.*
- Extended the “squeaky wheel” sequence in order to slow the pace using footage from the bonus disc (audio help from LILLIAN2330, visual FX by poppasketti)*
- Removed some of Rey and Finn's dialogue relating to her heritage.
- Replaced 3PO line starting with “Whoever this Chewie person is...” due to being one of a few clunky reminders that he had his memory erased (alternate line provided by Chase Adams)*
- Removed Finn yelling “POE!”*
- When Rey picks up the dagger in Kylo's quarters, another vision of herself on the throne is triggered.
- Majority of the dialogue in the Rey/Kylo saber fight here is removed, as most of it relates to her parents. The action is cut to accomodate.
- Cut the shocked reactions to "I'm the spy!", going straight to Poe's "I knew it!" I think the joke lands better that way.
- Replace 3PO/trooper dialogue to depict 3PO somewhat out of his element (by axlanian, replacing work from RogueLeader for V1)*
- Kylo Ren now tells Rey that Palpatine wants her dead because he saw a vision of her killing him and taking the throne, removing the concept that she is related to Palpatine in any way. He simply fears her power. (idea and help from RogueLeader)
- The moon containing the wreckage of the second Death Star has been recontextualized as Endor, replacing what was Endor with an ice moon during the space establishing shot and moving the Ewok snippet up from the film’s climax. (Visual FX by poppasketti and snooker)*
- Replaced the obtuse reminder that 3PO had his memory erased in the form of a line “Is everyday like this for you people?” (alternate line provided by Chase Adams)*
- Removed Rey using the dagger as an impossible compass while surveying the wreckage of the second Death Star. ‘Sith whispers’ have been added strategically to imply the dagger mystically guiding her to the Wayfinder.*
- Added a brief musical allusion to ‘Duel of the Fates’ during the duel on the Death Star using music from Maul’s scene in Solo (idea and help from Cinefy)*
-Leia's death is removed from here, and all references to her interjecting in the action are removed.
- Kylo now stops himself from killing Rey, which gives her the opportunity to kill him. The sith whispers are heard again, and she regrets killing him in anger, realizing it's bringing her closer to the dark side.
- Trimmed Finn’s final whimper of “Rey!” during the duel*
- Softened the stark sound effect slightly as Luke catches the lightsaber, since he is immaterial*
- Regraded Ach-To sequence to take place at night, concluding at dawn (grading and rotoscoping by NeverarGreat)*
- Cut Luke's line about showing respect to the saber, and "I was wrong", as I don't like how dismissive of TLJ they are.
- Added an additional establishing shot breaking up the Rey on Ahch-to scenes so it doesn’t seem like she only spends a couple minutes on the island (modeled after DominicCobb’s clip)
- Reduced blue coloration to Luke’s ghostly visage, slimmed him down somewhat, and shortened Mark Hammil’s wig to better fit his prior appearances (NeverarGreat and jonh, respectively)*
- Removed Luke mentioning Leia sensing “the death of her son” at the end of her Jedi path (sherlockpotter)*
- Cut Luke's dialogue about Rey being a Palpatine. It's not all about her facing her fear.
- Extended the establishing shot of Kylo during the Han scene by a few seconds to slow the pace (thanks to Luka Frik and Octorox)*
- Added a new establishing shot of a Star Destroyer to transition to Palpatine and Pryde's conversation.
- Palpatine's line changed to "The Jedi Apprentice has disrupted my plans" as opposed to "The Princess of Alderaan."
- Rescored this scene with Emperor music from Return of the Jedi to help smooth out the dialogue change.
- Completely removed the destruction of Kijimi and the Resistance’s reaction. This helps us imagine the Final Order as an Imperial stockpile since it was the only glimpse into them before the First Order arrives to help. It avoids yet another planet destruction, and generally smooths things over.*
- Added R2 and 3PO’s prequel theme briefly during the memory restoration scene (Cinefy idea)*
- Removed Finn and Poe's dialogue about Rey, D-O doesn't know anything about her, he just has all the details on Exegol.
- Removed the line about the Holdo maneuver. If it is something legitimate then someone who lives in that universe shouldn’t have the same misconception as we may.*
- Removed the subtitle for Nien Nunb’s one line. He was never subtitled in the past and it’s not needed.*
- Slightly restructured the Exegol space battle’s beginning to consolidate story threads (DominicCobb)*
- Removed Finn telling BB8 “great job, buddy” during the mounted attack in order to preserve a sense of tension or seriousness*
- Replaced the Imperial TIE Kylo took to Exegol with Vader’s TIE, because ANH had made a point to establish that TIEs don’t have hyperdrives. (Was originally an Imperial shuttle in V1; FX by poppasketti)*
- Trimmed Palpatine dialogue that references Rey's parents and her relation to him. Again, the focus is on her capacity to use the dark side.
- Trimmed a moment when Ben seems to wait for the Knight to hit his saber (David_B idea)*
- Added a small bit of score from ROTS as Palpatine absorbs the power of Rey and Ben’s friendship (Cinefy idea)*
- Added a cacophony of voices to the appearance of the civilian fleet to the battle. Several craft can be heard signing in via comm, and a few cheer “For Skywalker!” during the charge in order to tie into Luke’s Inspiring act at the Battle of Crait (thanks to axlanian for help mixing, and to the few dozen contributors who sent in recordings: poppasketti, AbramPT, Wesyeed, mrbenjamino, KieranKhalid, alastair, Anakin Skywalker, JKMaxx, Cinefy, Knight of Kalee, Chase, jonh, tobar, Doubleofive, Dana Domenick, Master Lawdog, Harmy, brewzter, Blake, Justin W, Reylochriso, Elia97963000, EllaLisa15, JediTwilight, deefayy, joelkarnold, AnEnemyAnemone, sixtailedcat, 5footwonderful, ThisIsCreation, CaptainFaraday, CaptainFaraday’s mother, sherlockpotter, and Richard D)*
- Extended a space exterior shot using an ILM demo clip in order to remove Poe’s line, “Every [underbelly cannon] we knock out is a world saved.” (Visual FX to remove watermark by Sir Ridley, audio FX assisted by mrbenjamino)*
- Since Kijimi isn’t destroyed, there’s no need for Babu Frik to pop up only to show he’s alive*
- Rey no longer repeats "be with me" as she sees the destruction overhead, and does not hear the Jedi voices. She instead has flashes of various characters comforting and helping her throughout the series, which gives her the determination to get up. (idea by bbghost)
-Removed Palpatine's line about being all the Sith and Rey's line about being all the Jedi.
- Because the first Ewok shot was used earlier, Coruscant and Naboo have been added in its place in the planetary celebration montage (Coruscant FX by poppasketti, and Naboo FX by snooker and skenera)*
- The holochess scene between Chewie, Finn, and Poe has been moved to Tatooine.*
- Added a subtle double rainbow to the first shot of the Lars homestead, originally inspired by a similar phenomena at that filming location as seen on the bonus material, rationalized into a deep cut reference to Leia’s infantile destination of Alderaan, which sports a double rainbow in ROTS. (FX by poppasketti)*
- The ghostly visage of a redeemed Ben Solo now accompanies the Skywalker twins during the final scene (visual FX by jonh)*
- The ending has been reworked, removing the old lady and any dialogue regarding Rey's name. A subtle shift in color pulls Rey's attention to the binary sunsets, which stands to go look at. She then sees the Skywalker Force ghosts, then turns her attention back to the sunsets, which leads to the credits.
- Overall color correction using LUTs provided by skenera*
- Added a new opening crawl
STAR WARS
EPISODE IX
THE FINAL ORDER
Flames of rebellion burn across the galaxy. The tyrannical First Order has retaliated by attacking any planetary system that supports the Resistance.
General Leia Organa, struggling to recover from her wounds, helps Rey continue training to harness her powerful, and dangerous, connection to the Force.
Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing whispers of a hidden power that would allow him to destroy any threat to his rule....
- Added two new establishing shots to the opening Mustafar sequence to slow the pacing slightly, building on what was done for V1 (visual FX from poppasketti, Movies Remastered, NeverarGreat, and 21C Peasant as well as audio assistance from LILLIAN02230)*
- Added a subtle call from Palpatine, saying “Find me,” as Kylo Ren picks up the Wayfinder*
- Removed Palpatine's lines about making Snoke and being every voice inside Kylo's head.
- Replaced the vat of cloned Snokes with cloned Palpatine’s (FX by poppasketti)*
- Removed the slight electrical crackle as Palpatine reveals his hands (FX by skenera)*
- Moved Palpatine describing spirit transfer into his first scene, turning it into a warning to Kylo Ren and setting up stakes for later (RogueLeader idea)*
- Palpatine scene now ends on "as the new emperor", removing the part about Rey.
- Moved the scene with Chewie, Poe, and Finn playing holochess to the end of the movie, with a shot having been modified here to depict dropping out of hyperspace (FX by poppasketti)*
- Replaced Finn’s now first line “Artoo” with “Look sharp” (dgraham414 idea)*
- Removed lightspeed skipping sequence. It made no sense given how hyperspace has always been depicted, as quick travel, not teleportation. Now, the Falcon bursts through the ice wall while jumping to hyperspace, and the pursuing TIEs peel off, ending the scene (visual FX by poppasketti)*
- Only because he has no proper introduction and would appear suddenly due to other changes made, removed Klaud from a few shots (FX by poppasketti)*
- The scene now transitions to Kylo and his separate vision from Rey. We stay with him through to his mask being repaired. A new establishing shot of a star destroyer has been added.
- Kylo now has a vision separate from Rey’s, before reforging his mask, better establishing his motivation for doing so (by DominicCobb)*
- New establishing shot of Ajan Kloss and some visuals of the jungle before jumping to Rey on the training course. All of Leia's scenes and the "be with me" set up are removed.
- The blue Skywalker lightsaber is now portrayed throughout the film with a somewhat ‘cracked’ appearance similar to Kylo Ren’s in order to build on the conclusion to TLJ and reflect Rey’s inner conflict (visual FX by kewlfish, Luke Frik, and Movies Remastered)*
- Leia's death scene now occurs where Rey's vision originally was placed, cutting back and forth between Rey and Kylo feeling it through the Force.
- Poe and Finn returning to the base has been replaced with the one later in the film, where they are told Leia is dead. We then cut to Leia's funeral.
- Moved Kylo meeting the First Order Generals to here.
- Added the planet Coruscant to two shots during the scene with Kylo Ren in a boardroom on his Star Destroyer (visual FX by poppasketti)*
- Cut from "hunting for the scavenger" to the Resistance briefing. New music and establishing shot used for the transition.
- Replaced Poe’s lines, including “Somehow, Palpatine returned,” with part of the Emperor’s speech being played, implied to be part of the gathered intel*
- Removed Leia from this scene.
- Removed a line of dialogue establishing an unnecessary 16-hour ‘ticking clock’ to the plot*
- Rey now runs to get the Jedi book, but then sits and reads it, discovering the page about the Wayfinder. We now transition straight to them leaving the base and going right to Pasaana.
- Leia and Rey scene removed before leaving the planet. Slightly reordered surrounding scenes to accommodate.
- Removed Poe’s use of the word ‘random.’*
- The puppet show now depicts Luke’s feats at the Battle of Crait in TLJ, strengthening the idea that Luke’s ‘legend’ has taken root in the galaxy. (RogueLeader handmade and filmed puppet elements influenced by designs from CaptainFaraday and Cinefy, poppasketti and Movies Remastered provided a tedious clean backplate, and ThisIsCreation provided a new vocal dub for the alien narrator)*
- Removed some of the dialogue with Rey and the child. She doesn't ask her for her last name anymore, as that doesn't play into the story at any point.
- Cut some of Kylo Ren's dialogue with Rey relating to her parents.
- After Kylo Ren says “I will find you,” cut him saying “…and turn you to the dark side.” It’s implied that he will try to do that once he finds her, but why say it aloud? He should be trying to seduce her to the dark side and masking his intentions.*
- Moved the scene forward in which Rey’s necklace is reported to be traced to Pasaana aboard the Star Destroyer, for better pacing. Trooper line modified not to show him reporting Rey and company’s identities. (Ziggyonice idea)*
- Used a foreign language dub for a milder delivery of Lando’s chauffeur’s one line*
- Removed the end of the Lando scene where they discuss Leia as if she's alive. Added a new transition using footage from TFA of some Tie Fighters flying by.
- Removed the “they fly now” gag*
- Removed Finn telling Rey he “never told you—“ while the heroes sink in the quicksand, as well as two subsequent references to it.*
- Cut Leia's scene back at the base.
- Removed Rey commenting that “horrible things” have happened with the dagger.*
- Rey's vision is moved to here, and tied to the strong dark energy of the dagger. References to her parents are removed, focusing the vision solely on dark Rey and the Sith throne.
- Added a few lines of dialogue throughout the film to the Knights of Ren (sourced from project by axlanian and krausfadr, with voice recordings submitted by axlanian, krausfadr, Ben, axlanian’s wife, poppasketti, DG)*
- Extended the confrontation between Rey and Kylo’s TIE in the desert using footage from the trailer (by DominicCobb)*
- Removed the explosion of Kylo Ren’s TIE, though it still rolls after being sliced by Rey*
- After Kylo Ren’s TIE is destroyed, for the remainder of the film his TIE is depicted with a differently color stripe (visual FX by poppasketti)*
- Removed Rey's overly dramatic "CHEWIE!" to keep her at more of a stunned silence and shock.
- Added new shot of Ochi’s ship taking off with the heroes as Kylo Ren watches in order to slightly slow the pace (visual FX by poppasketti)*
- When Rey mentions her vision of seeing the Sith throne, she comments she saw herself on it, making no reference to Kylo Ren, for greater consistency with her vision as seen by the audience and connection to her inner conflict of identity (RogueLeader idea)*
- Removed part of Poe’s line about their efforts being for nothing, allowing 3PO’s statement later to feel original to him*
- Reordered shots to show Rey contemplating before asking 3PO to consider going through with the memory wipe*
- Chewie is not revealed to be alive until Rey senses him from Kijimi. *
- Zorri gives Poe a cold stare, muting her line about seeing his brains in the snow*
- Removed dialogue referencing R2 backing up 3PO’s memory, which immediately destroyed any weight his sacrifice had before it had even happened, practically stating to the audience what will later happen.*
- Removed “from the Southern shore” from 3PO’s recital of the Sith dagger inscription to better fit in with its altered characteristics.*
- Extended the “squeaky wheel” sequence in order to slow the pace using footage from the bonus disc (audio help from LILLIAN2330, visual FX by poppasketti)*
- Removed some of Rey and Finn's dialogue relating to her heritage.
- Replaced 3PO line starting with “Whoever this Chewie person is...” due to being one of a few clunky reminders that he had his memory erased (alternate line provided by Chase Adams)*
- Removed Finn yelling “POE!”*
- When Rey picks up the dagger in Kylo's quarters, another vision of herself on the throne is triggered.
- Majority of the dialogue in the Rey/Kylo saber fight here is removed, as most of it relates to her parents. The action is cut to accomodate.
- Cut the shocked reactions to "I'm the spy!", going straight to Poe's "I knew it!" I think the joke lands better that way.
- Replace 3PO/trooper dialogue to depict 3PO somewhat out of his element (by axlanian, replacing work from RogueLeader for V1)*
- Kylo Ren now tells Rey that Palpatine wants her dead because he saw a vision of her killing him and taking the throne, removing the concept that she is related to Palpatine in any way. He simply fears her power. (idea and help from RogueLeader)
- The moon containing the wreckage of the second Death Star has been recontextualized as Endor, replacing what was Endor with an ice moon during the space establishing shot and moving the Ewok snippet up from the film’s climax. (Visual FX by poppasketti and snooker)*
- Replaced the obtuse reminder that 3PO had his memory erased in the form of a line “Is everyday like this for you people?” (alternate line provided by Chase Adams)*
- Removed Rey using the dagger as an impossible compass while surveying the wreckage of the second Death Star. ‘Sith whispers’ have been added strategically to imply the dagger mystically guiding her to the Wayfinder.*
- Added a brief musical allusion to ‘Duel of the Fates’ during the duel on the Death Star using music from Maul’s scene in Solo (idea and help from Cinefy)*
-Leia's death is removed from here, and all references to her interjecting in the action are removed.
- Kylo now stops himself from killing Rey, which gives her the opportunity to kill him. The sith whispers are heard again, and she regrets killing him in anger, realizing it's bringing her closer to the dark side.
- Trimmed Finn’s final whimper of “Rey!” during the duel*
- Softened the stark sound effect slightly as Luke catches the lightsaber, since he is immaterial*
- Regraded Ach-To sequence to take place at night, concluding at dawn (grading and rotoscoping by NeverarGreat)*
- Cut Luke's line about showing respect to the saber, and "I was wrong", as I don't like how dismissive of TLJ they are.
- Added an additional establishing shot breaking up the Rey on Ahch-to scenes so it doesn’t seem like she only spends a couple minutes on the island (modeled after DominicCobb’s clip)
- Reduced blue coloration to Luke’s ghostly visage, slimmed him down somewhat, and shortened Mark Hammil’s wig to better fit his prior appearances (NeverarGreat and jonh, respectively)*
- Removed Luke mentioning Leia sensing “the death of her son” at the end of her Jedi path (sherlockpotter)*
- Cut Luke's dialogue about Rey being a Palpatine. It's not all about her facing her fear.
- Extended the establishing shot of Kylo during the Han scene by a few seconds to slow the pace (thanks to Luka Frik and Octorox)*
- Added a new establishing shot of a Star Destroyer to transition to Palpatine and Pryde's conversation.
- Palpatine's line changed to "The Jedi Apprentice has disrupted my plans" as opposed to "The Princess of Alderaan."
- Rescored this scene with Emperor music from Return of the Jedi to help smooth out the dialogue change.
- Completely removed the destruction of Kijimi and the Resistance’s reaction. This helps us imagine the Final Order as an Imperial stockpile since it was the only glimpse into them before the First Order arrives to help. It avoids yet another planet destruction, and generally smooths things over.*
- Added R2 and 3PO’s prequel theme briefly during the memory restoration scene (Cinefy idea)*
- Removed Finn and Poe's dialogue about Rey, D-O doesn't know anything about her, he just has all the details on Exegol.
- Removed the line about the Holdo maneuver. If it is something legitimate then someone who lives in that universe shouldn’t have the same misconception as we may.*
- Removed the subtitle for Nien Nunb’s one line. He was never subtitled in the past and it’s not needed.*
- Slightly restructured the Exegol space battle’s beginning to consolidate story threads (DominicCobb)*
- Removed Finn telling BB8 “great job, buddy” during the mounted attack in order to preserve a sense of tension or seriousness*
- Replaced the Imperial TIE Kylo took to Exegol with Vader’s TIE, because ANH had made a point to establish that TIEs don’t have hyperdrives. (Was originally an Imperial shuttle in V1; FX by poppasketti)*
- Trimmed Palpatine dialogue that references Rey's parents and her relation to him. Again, the focus is on her capacity to use the dark side.
- Trimmed a moment when Ben seems to wait for the Knight to hit his saber (David_B idea)*
- Added a small bit of score from ROTS as Palpatine absorbs the power of Rey and Ben’s friendship (Cinefy idea)*
- Added a cacophony of voices to the appearance of the civilian fleet to the battle. Several craft can be heard signing in via comm, and a few cheer “For Skywalker!” during the charge in order to tie into Luke’s Inspiring act at the Battle of Crait (thanks to axlanian for help mixing, and to the few dozen contributors who sent in recordings: poppasketti, AbramPT, Wesyeed, mrbenjamino, KieranKhalid, alastair, Anakin Skywalker, JKMaxx, Cinefy, Knight of Kalee, Chase, jonh, tobar, Doubleofive, Dana Domenick, Master Lawdog, Harmy, brewzter, Blake, Justin W, Reylochriso, Elia97963000, EllaLisa15, JediTwilight, deefayy, joelkarnold, AnEnemyAnemone, sixtailedcat, 5footwonderful, ThisIsCreation, CaptainFaraday, CaptainFaraday’s mother, sherlockpotter, and Richard D)*
- Extended a space exterior shot using an ILM demo clip in order to remove Poe’s line, “Every [underbelly cannon] we knock out is a world saved.” (Visual FX to remove watermark by Sir Ridley, audio FX assisted by mrbenjamino)*
- Since Kijimi isn’t destroyed, there’s no need for Babu Frik to pop up only to show he’s alive*
- Rey no longer repeats "be with me" as she sees the destruction overhead, and does not hear the Jedi voices. She instead has flashes of various characters comforting and helping her throughout the series, which gives her the determination to get up. (idea by bbghost)
-Removed Palpatine's line about being all the Sith and Rey's line about being all the Jedi.
- Because the first Ewok shot was used earlier, Coruscant and Naboo have been added in its place in the planetary celebration montage (Coruscant FX by poppasketti, and Naboo FX by snooker and skenera)*
- The holochess scene between Chewie, Finn, and Poe has been moved to Tatooine.*
- Added a subtle double rainbow to the first shot of the Lars homestead, originally inspired by a similar phenomena at that filming location as seen on the bonus material, rationalized into a deep cut reference to Leia’s infantile destination of Alderaan, which sports a double rainbow in ROTS. (FX by poppasketti)*
- The ghostly visage of a redeemed Ben Solo now accompanies the Skywalker twins during the final scene (visual FX by jonh)*
- The ending has been reworked, removing the old lady and any dialogue regarding Rey's name. A subtle shift in color pulls Rey's attention to the binary sunsets, which stands to go look at. She then sees the Skywalker Force ghosts, then turns her attention back to the sunsets, which leads to the credits.
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I have put together a workprint of this that I wouldn’t mind getting some eyes on.
Some further info:
-This is absolutely nowhere near final, but I’ve got it in a functional place where you can see how it plays out from start to finish. Most of the visual editing is fine, but audio is going to require a lot more work.
Some further info:
-This is absolutely nowhere near final, but I’ve got it in a functional place where you can see how it plays out from start to finish. Most of the visual editing is fine, but audio is going to require a lot more work.
- I have yet to replace the opening crawl, because I’m going to end up having someone make it for me as I’m a bit special effects challenged. I want to make sure I get the wording right so I don’t have to ask that person to make a new one multiple times. It will mention that Leia is “ailing” or “struggling with her injuries” in some way to set up her early death scene.
- A few minor special effects shots need to be inserted or improved. The blue crackly lightsaber disappears a few times. Some of the transitions and slow motion need to be iterated on. It’s not major stuff, but it is there and noticeable if you’re looking for it.
- This is heavily based on Ascendent by HAL9000, and the majority of the changes that aren’t specific to Rey Nobody/Leia come from that. Credit is provided to all who worked on that edit via a title card at the end of the credits. There are some small changes that don’t relate to Ascension or Rey Nobody that just fit my preference as an editor, usually regarding pacing or joke placement.
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^^ While I like the aesthetic of the 2nd poster, you've stretched the image to make it fit the dimensions, which distorts the character's faces in an unnatural way. Stretching an image like that should always be avoided if possible. It's rare for it to go unnoticed.
What you could do instead is expand the image until it touches the sides, then drag it down so that you only have a white border at the top of the poster; then you can take a portion of the starfield (or grab another from elsewhere) and use that to extend the top of the picture upwards. Feathering should help it sit.
What you could do instead is expand the image until it touches the sides, then drag it down so that you only have a white border at the top of the poster; then you can take a portion of the starfield (or grab another from elsewhere) and use that to extend the top of the picture upwards. Feathering should help it sit.
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Neither should need to be distorted. This appears to be the original poster:
Compared to this, it looks to me like your first one has been squashed slightly and your second one has been stretched.
Compared to this, it looks to me like your first one has been squashed slightly and your second one has been stretched.
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So it’s time for an update.
Progress is going well. I was recommended a deleted scene from TLJ with some usable Kylo footage by GMatias. These shots allowed me to have reactions (or lack of reactions) for Kylo during Leia’s death scene where he is not wearing his helmet, which means I now don’t have to cram all of Kylo’s stuff into the first 10 minutes of the movie. It’s a big breakthrough, and really helps fix the pacing early on.
Here’s how it looks now:
Pacing is now a lot better in the first half, and allows for more flexibility in what I can cut back and forth to.
The Force Bond duel is in much better shape now as well, but I will likely have to do some more audio editing to make the music fit in better. The imporance of the scene is diminished when skipping the flashbacks to Rey’s parents, but I still think it’s turned out well as a fun little action beat, and we get some of Rey’s anger as well.
axlanian graciously played with the audio of the Sith Whispers to make them blend in better and sound more interesting.
I will say that the workprint I shared is quite outdated now. I want to do a bit more tweaking and then I’ll do another workprint for feedback.
One thing I’m struggling with is now that I’ve gone back to both Luke and Leia’s sabers being blue, there’s two shots near the end that they’re both in together where I’m losing the crackling effect. If anyone who worked on that effect for HAL’s edit would be willing to add it in for those two shots, please reach out to me, I’d be very grateful!
Progress is going well. I was recommended a deleted scene from TLJ with some usable Kylo footage by GMatias. These shots allowed me to have reactions (or lack of reactions) for Kylo during Leia’s death scene where he is not wearing his helmet, which means I now don’t have to cram all of Kylo’s stuff into the first 10 minutes of the movie. It’s a big breakthrough, and really helps fix the pacing early on.
Here’s how it looks now:
Pacing is now a lot better in the first half, and allows for more flexibility in what I can cut back and forth to.
The Force Bond duel is in much better shape now as well, but I will likely have to do some more audio editing to make the music fit in better. The imporance of the scene is diminished when skipping the flashbacks to Rey’s parents, but I still think it’s turned out well as a fun little action beat, and we get some of Rey’s anger as well.
axlanian graciously played with the audio of the Sith Whispers to make them blend in better and sound more interesting.
I will say that the workprint I shared is quite outdated now. I want to do a bit more tweaking and then I’ll do another workprint for feedback.
One thing I’m struggling with is now that I’ve gone back to both Luke and Leia’s sabers being blue, there’s two shots near the end that they’re both in together where I’m losing the crackling effect. If anyone who worked on that effect for HAL’s edit would be willing to add it in for those two shots, please reach out to me, I’d be very grateful!