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Hi everybody. Can anybody help? I've never been fully happy with the results when I render in Vegas and never feel like the quality is as good as the file size it produces. Can anybody share with me what settings they use? I generally encode at 8000/10000kbps, 2 pass, mp4. I know I could look through all the help on the forum again but you guys all seem very knowledgeable so I thought I'd ask direct. Cheers.
 

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Hey @maven48

As a fellow Vegas user, I know your pain! When I was working on my Phase IV edit I was never really happy with the MP4 rendering... however, even when I used Handbrake it really wasn't much better. Anyway, after a lot of research and seeing what other people do by watching various youtube tutorials or guides, I settled on the following...
Format: MAGIX AVC/AAC. MP4
Variable Bit Rate
Maximum Bps: 20,000,000
Average Bps: 12,000,000
Encode Mode: NV Encoder (or whatever your graphics card might be)
Preset: High Quality
RC Mode; VBR - High Quality

Audio: Sample Rate: 48,000
Bit rate: (bps) 384,000 or 448,000

These settings have worked well for me when I did my Moonraker Edit and for a 2 hour movie produced a file of 13GB in size. Now, granted this may be too high for some, so you could play around with the average bps and as you say, try 8,000,000. Personally I don't mind a big file as I want really good HD quality.
 

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Thanks for that. Not much different to what I had, although I've used cpu only for the encoder. I'll try using my graphics card. I had set my bit rate to 50,000,000 and a 1hr30min edit ended up being 20gb at 30,000,000. I've been trying to get settings in Vegas that I'm happy with for years. Glad to see that I've ended up close to what you use.
 

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Thanks for that. Not much different to what I had, although I've used cpu only for the encoder. I'll try using my graphics card. I had set my bit rate to 50,000,000 and a 1hr30min edit ended up being 20gb at 30,000,000. I've been trying to get settings in Vegas that I'm happy with for years. Glad to see that I've ended up close to what you use.

No problem... yep, the bit rates obviously can be changed to your own taste. For example, I ended up doing two versions of Phase IV which is a 90 minute edit... one that ended up being 8GB, and another which was 19GB which had a max rate of around 30,000,000 with a average rate around 24,000.00 or something like that.

Good luck anyway!
 

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Here are my project and rendering settings that I use most often.

PROJECT SETTINGS (Vegas will usually ask if you want to match project settings to the imported media)
  • Video
    • Width: Set to actual video file size to remove black bars (make sure to match the dimensions using the pan & crop tool on the video file in your time line)
    • Height: Set to actual video file size to remove black bars (make sure to match the dimensions using the pan & crop tool on the video file in your time line)
    • HDR Mode: Off
    • Field Order: None (progressive)
    • Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.0000 (Square)
    • Output rotation: 0 (original)
    • Frame rate (23.976 (IVTC Film)
    • Stereoscopic 3D mode: Off
    • Pixel format: 8--bit (full range)
    • Compositing gamma: 2.222 (Video)
    • ACES version: 1.1
    • ACES color space: Default (ACES2065-1)
    • View transform: Off
    • Look modification transform: None
    • Full-resolution rendering quality: Best
    • Motion blur type: Gaussian
    • Deinterlace method: None
    • Resample mode: Disable resample
    • Adjust source media to better match project or render settings: UNCHECKED
  • Audio
    • Master bus mode: 5.1 Surround (match to your base file)
    • Sample rate (Hz): 48,000
    • Bit depth: 16
    • Resample and stretch quality: Best
    • Enable low-pass filter on LFE (surround projects only): CHECKED
    • Cutoff frequency for low-pass filter (Hz): 120 (Dolby pro/film)
    • Low--pass filter quality: Best

RENDERING SETTINGS

Sony AVC/MVC

  • Video
    • Video Format: AVC
    • Frame Size: Customized to the exact frame size to remove black bars. I usually open a movie file in hand brake and it gives me the dimensions. Most are 1920x800, but it does vary
    • Profile: High
    • Entropy coding: CABAC
    • Frame Rate: 23.976 (IVTC Film)
    • Filed Order: None (progressive)
    • Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.0000
    • Bit rate (bps: 25,999,360 (or match to your source video file bit rate if it's less)
    • Number of slices: 1
    • Enable progressive download: checked
  • Audio
    • Audio format: AAC
    • Sample rate (Hz): 48,000
    • Bit rate (bps): 512,000
    • Audio coding mode: 5.1 surround
  • Project
    • Video rendering quality: Best
    • Stereoscopic 3D mode: Use Project Settings (I don't edit in 3D)
    • Color Space: Default
    • Color range (YCbCr output): Limited (default)
 

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Very helpful. My render settings were more or less the same but I've copied your project settings. I'm doing some tests now with a potentially artifact heavy clip.
 

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So.. I seem to get much better quality with the mainConcept avc/aac output format. It takes about three times as long to render though.
 

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So.. I seem to get much better quality with the mainConcept avc/aac output format. It takes about three times as long to render though.
Is it a 2-pass render? Multiple passes will always be longer and will always (well you'd think anyway) result in a higher quality output. The bitrate will also have an impact on rendering time.
Are you using the MainConcept MPEG template? That one doesn't allow me to output audio with the video file. I know Vegas has changed the render template names in some of the versions. Sony AVC used to be called MainConcept I believe.
 

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I have Vegas Pro 14

There's an option for Sony AVC/MVC and one for MainConcept AVC/AAC. I used the latter. I used the Internet HD 1080p template and altered the setting. And yes, it's two-pass and and I set it to variable bit rate max 30,000,000 / average 28,000,000.
 

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I used the same settings in 14 :) Not sure why Magix changed the name/templates in the newer editions.🤗
 
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