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killbillme said:
Oh Mask, you're soooo specific.TMBTM said:
"Remixed by Jorge: Fans around the World can't wait for his latest release!"white43 said:
I haven't finished my download yet (RS is limiting free slots now) but I will be watching this at some point. And even I end up not liking it, I will be glad that you released it (same for Gaith's edit) just so I finally had a chance to see an Indy 4 edit. It's a tough nut to crack and anyone who takes a shot at it deserves credit.killbillme said:
I have to agree with Frink here. It's a shame that you feel this way about the design. Frankly I think it is a thing that is highly appreciated by viewers, perhaps unconsciously, just not that commented on. Also, it adds a level of professionalism to the disc, and shows the faneditors true love for the project and the art. I do hope you reconsider your position for future edits. You show a great love for editing and movies, why not let it shine all the way through to the final product?TV's Frink said:
I have to agree with ThrowgnCpr agreeing with Frink here. It's a shame... oh wait.ThrowgnCpr said:
TV's Frink said:This sucker surprised me a few times.
First off, I had never watched a Jorge fanedit before, so I was very excited when this was announced. Since there was no real WIP thread, my expectations were simply a result of Jorge's reputation. And then the reviews came in, and while there were some positives, it sounded like this was a disappointment. My expectations were dramatically reduced, which in hindsight seems to have been a good thing.
You know how it is Frinky, you can't please everyone. It's good enough for goonies and good enough for me.
Turns out I really enjoyed the edit. I liked parts of the original but the overall experience was not what I was hoping. While this still isn't exactly what I was hoping for, it was much, much closer. I even think I will watch this again in the future. The runtime is short, but I didn't have a problem with that.
You see, that's all that matters. and lets face it, the original is pretty dismal. you can play around all you want with new openings, color correction et al, but eventually you're gonna arrive at that missing third act and have to deal with the waterfall and ants and ox, oh my.
Some specific thoughts:
Opening nuclear film: I thought this was out of place. Not only is Doom Town unimportant to the movie, but it doesn't open the movie either. On the plus side, the short film comes before the true opening (the Paramount logo), and because it is a separate chapter, I will just skip it next time.
It was a wink at early Lucas. remember THX 1138? iT starts with a scene from FLASH GORDON, the 30's serial.
But I did place it before the "true" opening just for this reason.
New "proper" opening: I loved this. No car chase, but rather we start with the Russians arriving and gunning down the soldiers as the titles are shown. This worked great.
I know. was pretty happy with it. while editing for a fleeting moment I thought I would turn it into RAIDERS.
That moment didn't last.
Warehouse: Really works well. I actually didn't mind seeing the ark in the original, so I sort of missed it here, but not a big deal.
Doom Town: I actually kind of like this sequence, except for the fridge. And while the fridge is ludicrous, so is some of the other Indy action in the series. So while I wouldn't mind a cut with Doom Town gone completely, this didn't bother me too much.
Motorcycle/Library chase: I thought this worked very well, except for the Russian dub. It surprised me and for a bit I didn't quite understand what it was supposed to be. Unnecessary but not too harmful ultimately.
My thoughts exactly.
"No Nazca Ninjas, you big silly:" In addition to this cut description making me laugh, I definitely liked how this played out.
Ox trims: Much better.
Oh Ox, ox, Ox. Who the hell are you, Ox. (thats me waxing poetic.)
Jungle chase/Waterfall: The trims to the chase and fighting work well. No scorpions, no monkeys, no Tarzan all worked great. The ants didn't bother me too much in the original, except I was so sick of all the bad stuff that came before the ants I was in no mood at that point. In this version I think the ants work much better as a result. The waterfall is still kind of silly (still don't understand what Marion is thinking) but it works better, and I actually like the immediate cut to the craft in the water with them climbing onto shore.
Pyramid puzzle: I like this version better.
Ending: I'm a bit conflicted on this. I like the idea, but I think it would have worked better without the voiceover and LOTR shot. Keeping it more ambiguous would have been fine, and the additions stand out a bit too much.
without the vo and the LOTR shot it would have been the original. :smile:
I figure if some can tolerate a Title Card, they would tolerate anything.
A/V seemed very good. I can't comment on the 5.1 upmix, as I was listening on headphones.
The DVD is nicely done. I sampled the commentary and it sounds like it will be worth the listen. I don't like that it's hidden on the trailers page, but not a big deal. The only other complaint I can think of is at the end of the movie, after the Remixed logo, the DVD stopped. No end credits and no return to the menu. I was especially surprised to see missing end credits - I thought this was considered a no-no.
My bad. DVD design can get quite intricate and sometimes stuff slips though.
as for the end credits, you do own the original dontcha? I don't have a hard and fast rule. sometimes I might add the first few credist to end it off in style but the huge blocks of credits have no interest for me. do you really need to know who the caterer was? me neither.
Thanks for this, Jorge (and boon, for convincing you to release it). It was well worth the time. 8/10
And thank you for an awesome review.
