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Hobbit 3-film edits: Arkenstone vs. Chris Hartwell

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Hey, does anyone know what the key differences between these edits are? I’ve seen the first Arkenstone edition and loved it but haven’t seen the other two. I haven’t even been able to find cutlists for the Chris Hartwell versions but they seem to be pretty popular. Has anyone seen both of these? Are there any other 3-film edits that people would recommend?
 

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octoroxx said:
Hey, does anyone know what the key differences between these edits are? I’ve seen the first Arkenstone edition and loved it but haven’t seen the other two. I haven’t even been able to find cutlists for the Chris Hartwell versions but they seem to be pretty popular. Has anyone seen both of these? Are there any other 3-film edits that people would recommend?

Wraith released a couple of versions of a combined Hobbit edit recently, one for every preference & highly recommended. The maple edit is also very strong but it very much depends on what your looking for- book cut, LOTR tone/prequel or just the best version of the movie possible...
 

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Thanks for the input. I'm really looking for edits that keep each film separate though.
 

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I'm with you on finding the best 3 film edits. I've found the 3-in-1 or 3-in-2 edits to have pretty major pacing and structural issues. I also want to enjoy as much of those films as I can.

My favourite edit I've seen is easily TM2YC's Entirely Respectable trilogy. Much lighter with the cutting, removing only the most over the top, absurd moments. Even though he didn't cut all the silly stuff, I found that those bits that were left in were much easier to excuse as a result. And being less aggressive with the scissors allows the films to maintain their identity and structure. My only disappointment was that the battle at the end still felt excessively long for me, so I think i'll check out the arkenstone edits too. this is the first i've heard of chris hartwell though.
 

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I just watched the arkenstone edits and I enjoyed them quite a bit. I definitely recommend them.
 

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My AUJ edit is basically the Arkenstone Edition with key ideas from the Hartwell Cut added in. I didn’t change much from Kerr’s edit because it’s my favorite edit of the Hobbit, but what’s different (taken from the Hartwell Cut) makes a huge impact in my humble opinion. Fire & Water: Revisited Edition is basically me taking ideas from multiple edits (my first version, Kerr, TM2YC, Belgarath, Chris Hartwell, etc.) and making a perfect version for myself. I’m pretty proud of them. Meanwhile my favorite version of the third movie is Kerr’s Arkenstone Edition and it fits well with my edits, until I make my own... eventually... but besides including one deleted scene with Thranduil from the Appendices, I’m not sure what else I would do differently from the Arkenstone Edition.
 

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catferoze said:
I'm with you on finding the best 3 film edits. I've found the 3-in-1 or 3-in-2 edits to have pretty major pacing and structural issues. I also want to enjoy as much of those films as I can.

My favourite edit I've seen is easily TM2YC's Entirely Respectable trilogy. Much lighter with the cutting, removing only the most over the top, absurd moments. Even though he didn't cut all the silly stuff, I found that those bits that were left in were much easier to excuse as a result. And being less aggressive with the scissors allows the films to maintain their identity and structure. My only disappointment was that the battle at the end still felt excessively long for me, so I think i'll check out the arkenstone edits too. this is the first i've heard of chris hartwell though.

In the defense of 3 in 2 edits or 3 in 1 edits (as long as they're around 4-5 hours total), I personally don't exactly think they have structural issues. Compared to a generic hollywood film structure, possibly, but in the sense of just telling a story, The Hobbit is a very episodic story, with each chapter being a new challenge and mini-adventure combined into one huge adventure, and by replicating that on the screen in a 3 in 2/3 in 1 edit, it can really be successful & unique, which I don't think is inherently a major structural issue.

I'd also argue you have an uncountable amount of more pacing issues by stretching the quest to three movies, by making the movie too slow. And I will agree with you, any edit that goes too far below 4 hours, into 3, into 2, is ridiculously too fast paced. But I strongly believe there's a middle ground free of pacing issues, leaving it down to just preference if you enjoy a faster or slower paced story.

Anyways like you said, definitely check out those 2 edits because they do exactly what you say, keep the full 3 movie structure but just try to make it way better. Chris also has a great youtube channel with really good explanation videos if you're interested.
 

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In the defense of 3 in 2 edits or 3 in 1 edits (as long as they're around 4-5 hours total), I personally don't exactly think they have structural issues. Compared to a generic hollywood film structure, possibly, but in the sense of just telling a story, The Hobbit is a very episodic story, with each chapter being a new challenge and mini-adventure combined into one huge adventure, and by replicating that on the screen in a 3 in 2/3 in 1 edit, it can really be successful & unique, which I don't think is inherently a major structural issue.

I'd also argue you have an uncountable amount of more pacing issues by stretching the quest to three movies, by making the movie too slow. And I will agree with you, any edit that goes too far below 4 hours, into 3, into 2, is ridiculously too fast paced. But I strongly believe there's a middle ground free of pacing issues, leaving it down to just preference if you enjoy a faster or slower paced story.

Anyways like you said, definitely check out those 2 edits because they do exactly what you say, keep the full 3 movie structure but just try to make it way better. Chris also has a great youtube channel with really good explanation videos if you're interested.

good points. i should've said 'i have issues with the pacing and structure' as they didn't have what I was looking for.  And that's one of the great things about this community; there are so many talented editors here with different goals/opinions, so there are plenty of good options to choose from depending on personal preference.

I'll definitely check them out!
 
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