Silver Screen Samurai
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Hey, guys!
It's the Silver Screen Samurai.
UPDATE (for those interested) - scroll down if you just want the actual question:
Sorry I haven't posted in a while, personal life and everything. I'm posting this because, after a rather long break, I'm continuing work on a fanedit of "The Wolverine" that I began making 4 years ago. I made most of the major decisions back then, so this effort will be more like recreating that version; rather than starting from scratch.
Some of you may remember some earlier posts related to that project. I mentioned back then that I'm editing on a Mac using Davinci Resolve -- a free software, that is one of the most highly regarded professional softwares in feature filmmaking. It can mix audio, edit footage, and most importantly it's BY FAR the best color correction software available -- on top of which I mentioned struggling to find a means of converting MKV to a lossless Codec (such as ProRes) with Mac tools.
Yes, laugh if you want, but I also work in professional post-production. Mac computers are fast becoming the predominant ones in the industry, due to tools like Resolve and Black Magic tech. The only area they really suck is converting MKV to ProRes, but then again the post-production pipeline was never designed with the intent of ripping MKVs from discs (as opposed to just having the raw video files in the first place). I still haven't quite figured that one out, so for now I'm making the edit predominantly with a 3GB MP4 conversion from Handbrake; though I'll probably go back and switch it out with a ProRes, before release (using the timecode). This is standard procedure with professional post-production as it is; since they often edit with lower quality files before switching them out with ProRes, to save RAM.
Since I realize faneditors don't typically use Macs, I guess that means I'm possibly entering uncharted territory (no hubris intended in that statement, I swear on my life). Even fewer faneditors, as far as I'm aware, use Davinci Resolve. So I'd be happy, when the process is all said and done, to create some kind of breakdown for Mac editing with Davinci Resolve once the cut is completed.
THE ACTUAL QUESTION STARTS HERE - Everything up to this point has just been an update since last posting:
So using tsMuxerGUI, I was able to rip all of the audio files on the disc. This includes a 7.1 Mix, 5.1 Mix, Stereo Mix, and Director's commentary track. All of these came out as AC3s. Deciding to make the first pass of the edit with the stereo track, then go back and match it with the 5.1 and (maybe) 7.1, I split it into mono WAVs with Audacity. The problem is, when imported into Resolve, these appear to result in the audio clipping at certain places. It wasn't something I did, because this is also the case with the original AC3 file.
My guess is that it's probably a Blu-Ray issue. For those who don't know, films mixed in 5.1 Theatre surround sound are usually put on a Blu-Ray without actually being mixed for home viewing. Essentially you're getting audio mixed for theatre speakers playing on lower quality stereo speakers. This results in a lot of films not having a custom made stereo track for home viewing, and simply downscaling a 5.1 to stereo without any additional mixing. So it's not uncommon for Blu-Rays to be straight-up clipping when played in stereo, if they were originally mixed in 5.1 surround sound (but if you have any other theories, feel empowered to leave them below).
I'm sorry if I answered my own question, but what do you guys think? Should I solely release it in a 5.1 mix, or do fanedit enthusiasts prefer to have a 2-track Stereo mix? At the very least, a 5.1 Mix is possible in Davinci Resolve (didn't I say it was great?), and I suspect wouldn't read as clipping in the meters. It's entirely possible that the clipping issue would probably still occur when PLAYED on a stereo TV, but nothing a simple volume adjustment couldn't fix.
Regardless, thank you to everyone who takes the time to read this; It's greatly appreciated.
It's the Silver Screen Samurai.
UPDATE (for those interested) - scroll down if you just want the actual question:
Sorry I haven't posted in a while, personal life and everything. I'm posting this because, after a rather long break, I'm continuing work on a fanedit of "The Wolverine" that I began making 4 years ago. I made most of the major decisions back then, so this effort will be more like recreating that version; rather than starting from scratch.
Some of you may remember some earlier posts related to that project. I mentioned back then that I'm editing on a Mac using Davinci Resolve -- a free software, that is one of the most highly regarded professional softwares in feature filmmaking. It can mix audio, edit footage, and most importantly it's BY FAR the best color correction software available -- on top of which I mentioned struggling to find a means of converting MKV to a lossless Codec (such as ProRes) with Mac tools.
Yes, laugh if you want, but I also work in professional post-production. Mac computers are fast becoming the predominant ones in the industry, due to tools like Resolve and Black Magic tech. The only area they really suck is converting MKV to ProRes, but then again the post-production pipeline was never designed with the intent of ripping MKVs from discs (as opposed to just having the raw video files in the first place). I still haven't quite figured that one out, so for now I'm making the edit predominantly with a 3GB MP4 conversion from Handbrake; though I'll probably go back and switch it out with a ProRes, before release (using the timecode). This is standard procedure with professional post-production as it is; since they often edit with lower quality files before switching them out with ProRes, to save RAM.
Since I realize faneditors don't typically use Macs, I guess that means I'm possibly entering uncharted territory (no hubris intended in that statement, I swear on my life). Even fewer faneditors, as far as I'm aware, use Davinci Resolve. So I'd be happy, when the process is all said and done, to create some kind of breakdown for Mac editing with Davinci Resolve once the cut is completed.
THE ACTUAL QUESTION STARTS HERE - Everything up to this point has just been an update since last posting:
So using tsMuxerGUI, I was able to rip all of the audio files on the disc. This includes a 7.1 Mix, 5.1 Mix, Stereo Mix, and Director's commentary track. All of these came out as AC3s. Deciding to make the first pass of the edit with the stereo track, then go back and match it with the 5.1 and (maybe) 7.1, I split it into mono WAVs with Audacity. The problem is, when imported into Resolve, these appear to result in the audio clipping at certain places. It wasn't something I did, because this is also the case with the original AC3 file.
My guess is that it's probably a Blu-Ray issue. For those who don't know, films mixed in 5.1 Theatre surround sound are usually put on a Blu-Ray without actually being mixed for home viewing. Essentially you're getting audio mixed for theatre speakers playing on lower quality stereo speakers. This results in a lot of films not having a custom made stereo track for home viewing, and simply downscaling a 5.1 to stereo without any additional mixing. So it's not uncommon for Blu-Rays to be straight-up clipping when played in stereo, if they were originally mixed in 5.1 surround sound (but if you have any other theories, feel empowered to leave them below).
I'm sorry if I answered my own question, but what do you guys think? Should I solely release it in a 5.1 mix, or do fanedit enthusiasts prefer to have a 2-track Stereo mix? At the very least, a 5.1 Mix is possible in Davinci Resolve (didn't I say it was great?), and I suspect wouldn't read as clipping in the meters. It's entirely possible that the clipping issue would probably still occur when PLAYED on a stereo TV, but nothing a simple volume adjustment couldn't fix.
Regardless, thank you to everyone who takes the time to read this; It's greatly appreciated.