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WOLF DANCER
by CBB
This is a new take on DANCES WITH WOLVES, the famous 4h Western/Adventure that is so similar in its story to Avatar. Condensed to 2h30 minutes this is a much faster paced intense movie with no voice overs from John Dunbar, no irritating madness and less over-the-top scenes. The conflict of the two worlds and clashing cultures has been toned down to a more realistic, but still highly emotional take.
tagline: Silence says more than a thousand words.
original film name: Dances With Wolves (Director's Cut)
new film name : Wolf Dancer
film studio name : MGM / Tig Productions
edit crew name : CBB
Date Original Film Was Released : 1990
Date Edit Was Released : February 2010
Original Runtime : 236 minutes
New Runtime : 151 minutes
Amount of time Cut/Added : 85 minutes removed
poster:
Cuts removed/added/extended (all explained):
- cut suicide attempt beginning (because it's a strange beginning and the madness contained is not needed. The scene was probably used to establish John Dunbar's relationship to the army, to make it obvious how special and how daring he is and that he is willing to die for a thing he believes in. All of this though gets clear later on.)
- removed all voice overs of John Dunbar telling us of his experiences and journey (it is a not needed influence and keeps the atmosphere from being quiet. It influences the audience and stops them from thinking and seeing for themselves. Without the voice-over the scenes have a different, but even deeper impact.)
- cut the madness of Major Fambrough (because that guy is utterly confusing and weird for no true reason)
- removed all scenes of Captain Cargill and his men at Fort Sedgewick (Dunbar will find it deserted and like the audience wonder why that is <-- like in the theatrical cut. The deserted fort has much more impact than the explained one.).
- cut Timmons throwing away the empty can and John Dunbar being shocked about it (environment protection is a good thing, but it's not needed to have it so obvious, which is historically also not accurate)
- removed Timmons wake-up butt poke scene (unneeded dumb humor and a bit wrong for Dunbar's character).
- cut mystical wind experience of John Dunbar, when he is standing in the field (it serves no purpose and mysticism like that is repeated only in the deer-in-the-lake scene, but never explained or continued).
- cut first Wolf appearance, when he watched the soldiers leave (continuity).
- cut second wolf appearance, because he is later on introduced better (pace).
- cut part of "drawing dead deers out of the water" to get rid of voice over (the dead deers are really weird, yet the scene is needed for the fireplace surprise that follows)
- removed funny parts of Dunbar discovering he is naked after scaring off Kicking Bird (unneeded in-the-face humor)
- removed Dunbar hiding the goods (the scene was getting too long. Pace.)
- removed the Lakota scenes, after Dunbar hid the weapons(because we will encounter them when they meet Dunbar - the edit focuses mainly on him and it is good to keep the rather peaceful intentions of the natives a mystery for now <-- pretty much like the theatrical cut. Pace.)
- removed the Lakota scenes after the 2nd attempt to steal the horse (pace.)
- removed "Stands With A Fist's" flashback (it's a good scene and sure adds some action to a long time without fights, yet it is not really needed. Pace.)
- cut "Two Socks" feeding scene, Lakota bringing gifts and Dunbar writing in his journal (all not needed. Pace.)
- shortened road to buffalo killing ground (pace)
- removed killed white fur hunter scenes from pre-buffalo hunt celebration (while surely historically accurate,such a brutality was really strange and would have probably led to Dunbar not being able to join the tribe later on. Continuity and pace.)
- cut Lakota kids being beaten to get away from the buffalo hunt (historically inaccurate)
- shortened buffalo killing scenes (where they were mainly just riding with the bulls without shooting. Pace.)
- removed "fire dance" (it was always a bit weird scene and is not needed. Pace. You can see it as the main menu in full.)
- removed Dunbar's arrival at Lakota camp with voiceover talking about the upcoming war with the Pawnee and him being given his own tent (which unfortunately contained important information)
- added arrival scene (repeat shot from first approaching the Lakota, which is a continuity error there, because "Wind In His Hair" wears Dunbar's jacket, so it is pretty fitting here now. continuity.)
- removed part of the speech training (pace)
- cut Dunbar brooding over "Stands With A Fist" not speaking to him (pace)
- removed wedding preparations (pace)
- removed ride invitation of "Kicking Bird" (pace)
- removed poachers hut (Poachers were not that unusual and their being "bad" is too obvious and not needed. Pace and continuity.
- cut entire journal mentioning in the soldier camp and later on (it is just gone)(Dunbar considers it private and will not ask for it, because it could endanger the Lakota. Continuity and pace.)
- reduced Spivey heavily from being a villain (he was never convincing and way over-the-tio, making him deeply annoying, which was unneeded as a reason to kill them all later on. pace and impact.)
- reduced soldier badness (they are bad enough already. impact.)
+ many more tiny cuts for faster pacing.
700 lines of dialogue were removed. That is about 60%.
The former voice-over scenes that were kept have all fully recreated sound effects and score.
The DVD:
main movie: 2h31minutes runtime, NTSC 2.39:1 anamorphic widescreen, Ac-3 5.1 audio (upconverted) English, Sioux-to-English subtitles, full English subtitles.
special features (explained):
Spivey - the deleted villain (5:58): is a deleted scenes feature about the most over-the-top villain of the movie.
The journal (14:50) - a slide-show that contains all 24 journal entries spoken by Kevin Costner.
The deleted mad major (5:47) - is a commented feature about the incredible insanity of this guy.
Audio editing (5:46) - an extended look at the audio work that went into the creation of Wolf Dancer.
CBB overview - information about all 38 CBB fanedits.
menus:
main menu, extras menu, chapters menu (5 acts), subtitles menu
cover and disc art (created from the Italian poster of Dances With Wolves)
The mp4:
975mb h264 with AAC audio
720x360 (sar: 2.0 / dar: 2.428)
712 kpbs video, 165 kbps audio (2.0), Sioux subtitles selectable
Intention:
To tell Dances With Wolves in a new, faster paced, plot condensed version that gets rid of exaggerations, focuses on John Dunbar and his journey from being a soldier to joining a Sioux tribe, and to let the audience experience the turn for themselves without the voice-overs that take away any thinking of their own.
Fanedit creation history:
after watching Avatar I was reminded on this wonderful movie and realized that I hardly ever watch it, because it is just too long. I thought about fanediting it, condensing it and maybe remove some of the weird parts that always bugged me a bit. When I watched the movie again, I realized that these voice-overs are a bit annoying, especially because they happen all the time and leave the audience no option to feel or see anything the way they want to. So I decided to get rid of them. I also realized that my original DVD was truly bad quality and purchased the bluray to work from a great quality source. It truly shows. This fanedit looks by far better than the original DVD.
here is a comparison:
I asked my friend, ThrowgnCpr several times if he would think this or that would work - and his input has helped me (and this fanedit) a lot. It was for example his help that led to the deletion of the flashback scene of "Stands With A Fist". The input from Mollo on the forum was also great and helped shape it some more (although I did not do anything about Mary McDonnell and her Bonnie Tyler look - sorry, dude). But like me he felt that the mad major Fambrough needed the full editing treatment to be bearable. He actually suggested to skip him entirely, which I did not do for plot reasons, to give John Dunbar a true soldier beginning and the audience some needed moments to get to know the character and his intention for his voyage. "I am here on my own request to see the frontier before it's gone." is a key sentence to me that must be in the movie.
My initial goal of 2h was not possible without sacrificing too much important plot and atmosphere, so the final runtime is around 2h30min. The plot focuses a lot more on John Dunbar. I removed many scenes with "cute Indian" humor, because they did not add to the intensity and distracted from the depth. My take is more serious, faster paced and deeper than the original.
The questions always were: is this scene needed? What does it do for the progress of the movie? Is it important for the atmosphere?
The removal of the voice-overs and fully recreating the audio of these scenes was a huge undertaking. It took hours for a few seconds. Overall I used more than 150 different sound effects.
Hardware and software information:
Hardware: a good quad-core computer
Sofware (mainly): Sony Vegas, Adobe Audition, Virtual Dub, DVD LAB pro, CCE
Additional Comment: I am a true fan of the original and this has not changed. My version is not meant to improve the original, but to create a different version that can be watched easier than the full 4h and also cause a different atmosphere.
Time needed for the edition:
source preparation: 2 days
editing: 16 full days
menus, subtitles, extras and dvd authoring: 7 days
thank you: ThrowgnCpr, Mollo
also thank you: Uncanny Antman, Winnie, Nono, Heinrich
Additional download links: here is the first part of the extra feature about audio editing:
Images:
cover art by boon23 (download here):
available on fanedit.info through RS (DVD, mp4), Megaupload (mp4) and Bittorrent (mp4)
enjoy.
by CBB
This is a new take on DANCES WITH WOLVES, the famous 4h Western/Adventure that is so similar in its story to Avatar. Condensed to 2h30 minutes this is a much faster paced intense movie with no voice overs from John Dunbar, no irritating madness and less over-the-top scenes. The conflict of the two worlds and clashing cultures has been toned down to a more realistic, but still highly emotional take.
tagline: Silence says more than a thousand words.
original film name: Dances With Wolves (Director's Cut)
new film name : Wolf Dancer
film studio name : MGM / Tig Productions
edit crew name : CBB
Date Original Film Was Released : 1990
Date Edit Was Released : February 2010
Original Runtime : 236 minutes
New Runtime : 151 minutes
Amount of time Cut/Added : 85 minutes removed
poster:
Cuts removed/added/extended (all explained):
- cut suicide attempt beginning (because it's a strange beginning and the madness contained is not needed. The scene was probably used to establish John Dunbar's relationship to the army, to make it obvious how special and how daring he is and that he is willing to die for a thing he believes in. All of this though gets clear later on.)
- removed all voice overs of John Dunbar telling us of his experiences and journey (it is a not needed influence and keeps the atmosphere from being quiet. It influences the audience and stops them from thinking and seeing for themselves. Without the voice-over the scenes have a different, but even deeper impact.)
- cut the madness of Major Fambrough (because that guy is utterly confusing and weird for no true reason)
- removed all scenes of Captain Cargill and his men at Fort Sedgewick (Dunbar will find it deserted and like the audience wonder why that is <-- like in the theatrical cut. The deserted fort has much more impact than the explained one.).
- cut Timmons throwing away the empty can and John Dunbar being shocked about it (environment protection is a good thing, but it's not needed to have it so obvious, which is historically also not accurate)
- removed Timmons wake-up butt poke scene (unneeded dumb humor and a bit wrong for Dunbar's character).
- cut mystical wind experience of John Dunbar, when he is standing in the field (it serves no purpose and mysticism like that is repeated only in the deer-in-the-lake scene, but never explained or continued).
- cut first Wolf appearance, when he watched the soldiers leave (continuity).
- cut second wolf appearance, because he is later on introduced better (pace).
- cut part of "drawing dead deers out of the water" to get rid of voice over (the dead deers are really weird, yet the scene is needed for the fireplace surprise that follows)
- removed funny parts of Dunbar discovering he is naked after scaring off Kicking Bird (unneeded in-the-face humor)
- removed Dunbar hiding the goods (the scene was getting too long. Pace.)
- removed the Lakota scenes, after Dunbar hid the weapons(because we will encounter them when they meet Dunbar - the edit focuses mainly on him and it is good to keep the rather peaceful intentions of the natives a mystery for now <-- pretty much like the theatrical cut. Pace.)
- removed the Lakota scenes after the 2nd attempt to steal the horse (pace.)
- removed "Stands With A Fist's" flashback (it's a good scene and sure adds some action to a long time without fights, yet it is not really needed. Pace.)
- cut "Two Socks" feeding scene, Lakota bringing gifts and Dunbar writing in his journal (all not needed. Pace.)
- shortened road to buffalo killing ground (pace)
- removed killed white fur hunter scenes from pre-buffalo hunt celebration (while surely historically accurate,such a brutality was really strange and would have probably led to Dunbar not being able to join the tribe later on. Continuity and pace.)
- cut Lakota kids being beaten to get away from the buffalo hunt (historically inaccurate)
- shortened buffalo killing scenes (where they were mainly just riding with the bulls without shooting. Pace.)
- removed "fire dance" (it was always a bit weird scene and is not needed. Pace. You can see it as the main menu in full.)
- removed Dunbar's arrival at Lakota camp with voiceover talking about the upcoming war with the Pawnee and him being given his own tent (which unfortunately contained important information)
- added arrival scene (repeat shot from first approaching the Lakota, which is a continuity error there, because "Wind In His Hair" wears Dunbar's jacket, so it is pretty fitting here now. continuity.)
- removed part of the speech training (pace)
- cut Dunbar brooding over "Stands With A Fist" not speaking to him (pace)
- removed wedding preparations (pace)
- removed ride invitation of "Kicking Bird" (pace)
- removed poachers hut (Poachers were not that unusual and their being "bad" is too obvious and not needed. Pace and continuity.
- cut entire journal mentioning in the soldier camp and later on (it is just gone)(Dunbar considers it private and will not ask for it, because it could endanger the Lakota. Continuity and pace.)
- reduced Spivey heavily from being a villain (he was never convincing and way over-the-tio, making him deeply annoying, which was unneeded as a reason to kill them all later on. pace and impact.)
- reduced soldier badness (they are bad enough already. impact.)
+ many more tiny cuts for faster pacing.
700 lines of dialogue were removed. That is about 60%.
The former voice-over scenes that were kept have all fully recreated sound effects and score.
The DVD:
main movie: 2h31minutes runtime, NTSC 2.39:1 anamorphic widescreen, Ac-3 5.1 audio (upconverted) English, Sioux-to-English subtitles, full English subtitles.
special features (explained):
Spivey - the deleted villain (5:58): is a deleted scenes feature about the most over-the-top villain of the movie.
The journal (14:50) - a slide-show that contains all 24 journal entries spoken by Kevin Costner.
The deleted mad major (5:47) - is a commented feature about the incredible insanity of this guy.
Audio editing (5:46) - an extended look at the audio work that went into the creation of Wolf Dancer.
CBB overview - information about all 38 CBB fanedits.
menus:
main menu, extras menu, chapters menu (5 acts), subtitles menu
cover and disc art (created from the Italian poster of Dances With Wolves)
The mp4:
975mb h264 with AAC audio
720x360 (sar: 2.0 / dar: 2.428)
712 kpbs video, 165 kbps audio (2.0), Sioux subtitles selectable
Intention:
To tell Dances With Wolves in a new, faster paced, plot condensed version that gets rid of exaggerations, focuses on John Dunbar and his journey from being a soldier to joining a Sioux tribe, and to let the audience experience the turn for themselves without the voice-overs that take away any thinking of their own.
Fanedit creation history:
after watching Avatar I was reminded on this wonderful movie and realized that I hardly ever watch it, because it is just too long. I thought about fanediting it, condensing it and maybe remove some of the weird parts that always bugged me a bit. When I watched the movie again, I realized that these voice-overs are a bit annoying, especially because they happen all the time and leave the audience no option to feel or see anything the way they want to. So I decided to get rid of them. I also realized that my original DVD was truly bad quality and purchased the bluray to work from a great quality source. It truly shows. This fanedit looks by far better than the original DVD.
here is a comparison:
I asked my friend, ThrowgnCpr several times if he would think this or that would work - and his input has helped me (and this fanedit) a lot. It was for example his help that led to the deletion of the flashback scene of "Stands With A Fist". The input from Mollo on the forum was also great and helped shape it some more (although I did not do anything about Mary McDonnell and her Bonnie Tyler look - sorry, dude). But like me he felt that the mad major Fambrough needed the full editing treatment to be bearable. He actually suggested to skip him entirely, which I did not do for plot reasons, to give John Dunbar a true soldier beginning and the audience some needed moments to get to know the character and his intention for his voyage. "I am here on my own request to see the frontier before it's gone." is a key sentence to me that must be in the movie.
My initial goal of 2h was not possible without sacrificing too much important plot and atmosphere, so the final runtime is around 2h30min. The plot focuses a lot more on John Dunbar. I removed many scenes with "cute Indian" humor, because they did not add to the intensity and distracted from the depth. My take is more serious, faster paced and deeper than the original.
The questions always were: is this scene needed? What does it do for the progress of the movie? Is it important for the atmosphere?
The removal of the voice-overs and fully recreating the audio of these scenes was a huge undertaking. It took hours for a few seconds. Overall I used more than 150 different sound effects.
Hardware and software information:
Hardware: a good quad-core computer
Sofware (mainly): Sony Vegas, Adobe Audition, Virtual Dub, DVD LAB pro, CCE
Additional Comment: I am a true fan of the original and this has not changed. My version is not meant to improve the original, but to create a different version that can be watched easier than the full 4h and also cause a different atmosphere.
Time needed for the edition:
source preparation: 2 days
editing: 16 full days
menus, subtitles, extras and dvd authoring: 7 days
thank you: ThrowgnCpr, Mollo
also thank you: Uncanny Antman, Winnie, Nono, Heinrich
Additional download links: here is the first part of the extra feature about audio editing:
Images:
cover art by boon23 (download here):
available on fanedit.info through RS (DVD, mp4), Megaupload (mp4) and Bittorrent (mp4)
enjoy.