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The Matrix Franchise

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If you have to have played the games, seen the animations, read the comic books and collected the trading cards to understand this new movie them I'm out. If you just have to enjoy watching people in shades running up walls and firing machine guns then I'm in.
I have to hope that Lana understands this and if done correctly, the important story elements that occurred off-screen will be integrated via good story-telling as needed throughout the film. They don't have to info-dump it in the first 5 minutes, I'm okay with saying "I have no idea why things are different than I expect" as long as she addresses/resolves those as part of the unfolding of the story.

This should satisfy both the hard core fans who are invested in every nook and cranny of the mythos, as well as those who are more casual fans of just the cinematic story.

As I'm not invested in the Matrix like say I am with Star Wars, Superman, Star Trek, Dune and so-on.. I can be hopeful without fear.. it will work for me, or it won't, but I suspect it will be wildly entertaining.
 

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If you have to have played the games, seen the animations, read the comic books and collected the trading cards to understand this new movie them I'm out. If you just have to enjoy watching people in shades running up walls and firing machine guns then I'm in.
I'm assuming that if they do consider Matrix Online canon, it won't be mandatory and the new movie will provide enough context. It'd be pretty shitty to make the movie depend on knowledge of a game that can't even be played anymore. It's cool if they acknowledge it, and if knowing about it enhances the experience, but if it's required to understand anything then that's no good.
 

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The simplest twist is to reveal that the "real world" was never real, and nobody had actually made it out of the Matrix. Then it literally doesn't matter what the side material had, if the old premise is shattered. The only evidence I have to support this is Neo's powers working outside the Matrix in the sequels. If he were still in a simulation, it makes slightly more sense that he would retain those powers. But this isn't necessarily the best direction to go, as it kind of sucks out all hope and makes the franchise overall pretty nihilistic.
 

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I'm assuming that if they do consider Matrix Online canon, it won't be mandatory and the new movie will provide enough context. It'd be pretty shitty to make the movie depend on knowledge of a game that can't even be played anymore. It's cool if they acknowledge it, and if knowing about it enhances the experience, but if it's required to understand anything then that's no good.

I very much doubt they would make it "mandatory" to understand anything but as they began the first sequel with characters from a videogame talking about the events of an animation, then went on to devote lots more runtime to other characters from other animations, I do worry the new film won't 100% work for fans of JUST the movie(s).

Also, since they controversially recoloured the first movie to look like the sequels, it's surprising that this new movie could not look less like the first three (just going by the trailer colour timing anyway)... then again, maybe this is like a new Matrix construct that looks different on purpose, then at some point they'll go back to a green 90s looking Matrix running on an emulator :LOL: .
 

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They seemingly didn’t think it was even mandatory to understand what was going on in the first two sequels. 🤣
 

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I very much doubt they would make it "mandatory" to understand anything but as they began the first sequel with characters from a videogame talking about the events of an animation, then went on to devote lots more runtime to other characters from other animations

I think The Kid is the only Animatrix character who crossed over, and apart from one fairly unimportant line ("you saved yourself"), all the context needed for his role was in the movies themselves?

The bigger lore problem with the sequels, IMO - apart from the non-sequitur of why the Neb is so undercrewed when Neo is so popular - is how utterly unsurprised our heroes are to discover (assuming it is a surprise) that there are so many other factions to the Matrix than the agents vying for power. (Okay, I guess it's only really the Merv's faction, but still.) The first movie had no hint that anyone apart from The Oracle and her kids stood outside the tyranny of the Agents, and now we've got rogue programs and ghosts and castles and such?! It reminds me of Peter Jackson's King Kong, in which the crew's reaction to finding an island full of dinosaurs and monsters is "huh, that's kinda weird, but let's not worry about it when we've got a blonde to save." (Or, for that matter, Steve Trevor, presumably a Christian, being totally unfazed to learn the Olympian gods were real all along, when belief in a singular authentic deity is kind of a big deal in that religion.)

Anyway, this video has some excellent suggestions:

 
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^ Doesn't the first scene after the dream sequence in Matrix2 begin with them talking about "The Osiris", an event from one of the animated shorts.
 

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^ Yes, but there's only one line about that ("these scans confirm the last transmission of the Osiris"), and the takeaway, that the machines are tunneling to Zion, is pretty self-explanatory. ;)
 

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Animatrix stuff that comes up in the other movies:

Final Flight of the Osiris - depicts the discovery of the Sentinel army. The message sent at the end leads to the big crew meeting in Reloaded. This is expounded upon in Enter the Matrix.

The Second Renaissance - Besides being the origin story, the Machine judge at the UN has the same voice as the Deus Ex Machina being Neo speaks to in Revolutions to negotiate peace.

Kid's Story - Needless to say, introduces The Kid. He wound up being much more important later on, but either way...

Program - I think there's an easter egg depicting one of the characters somewhere, at some point, but I could be mistaken.

Beyond - Nothing yet, but some people have made a connection between one character's star-pattern makeup and blue highlights with Jessica Henwick's character in the new movie. They may be one and the same.

A Detective Story - A tenuous link at best, but Mr. Ash makes his last stand aboard a train. The Trainman uses the same model of pistol (called the Detective Special in real life). Straw-grasping, but not impossible that he took the weapon as he did so many wrist watches.

Matriculated - On the DVD and Blu-Ray of Revolutions, the Sentinel-like machine that takes Neo's corpse ambiguously alive body away has green eyes, like the reprogrammed Runner from this story, to indicate that the Machines were now friendly to humanity. The eyes were originally red in the theatrical cut, and I hear they may have been reverted to red on either recent TV broadcasts and/or the 4K version but I can verify neither.


Anyhow- they've been pushing for multimedia connectivity since 2003. I do not expect the defunct MMO to be "required reading" for the new movie. Neo was never present in MXO in any conscious capacity. Once again, he will be the audience proxy. MXOers will know a little more going in, but we never, ever, had every piece of the puzzle. We got about four years worth of post-Revolutions plot. There's about 15 more we missed out on in the interim, evidently.
 

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^ Yes, but there's only one line about that ("these scans confirm the last transmission of the Osiris"), and the takeaway, that the machines are tunneling to Zion, is pretty self-explanatory. ;)
Yeah, I have to say that having never seen the animated stuff, I had no idea that line referenced it, and I just assumed that like the Clone Wars and Obi-Wan being a general, were references to something that isn't critical for me to know to move forward, other than as @Gaith noted, a ship was lost, and thus they inferred the machines were advancing..

My assumption is that any reference to the now defunct game would follow a similar concept, just work in cross-references which give us what we NEED to know, while making the hard core fans squeal in delight that a game/narrative that they love and are invested in does in fact link to the movies.

What they need to avoid at all costs is what started cropping up as the ST started unfolding.. "What the hell is the First Order? Why is there a Republic and a Resistance? Who the hell is Snoke?" which was always "It's explained in a book.. it's explained in a comic." These weren't minor, trivial points.. and to try and excuse lazy writing buy explaining it off the silver screen is the sin that I hope they are smart enough to avoid.

We'll know in a few months
 
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