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[font=Calibri,sans-serif][size=medium]Hi all
Does anyone want yet another Hobbit Edit?[/font][/size]
[font=Calibri,sans-serif][size=medium]I started by stripping back to the book and re arranging some stuff including removing the prologue completely (not the first person to do that). But I hadn't at that point watched anyone else edit. I ended up with 3 versions, the Book edit, the Flio edit and the Tolkien edit running 3hr, 3.5rs and 5 hours respectively.
I then took my preferred 5 hr and chopped in two respecting the original break point the GdT has spoken of.
This was unusual since normally I start long, and trim back (like Alien C Ext trimmed to Alien V)...But on the Hobbit I found I wanted a lot of character beats and I wanted a prequel to LOTR, so I added stuff back!
Initially I wanted NO foreshadowing of the Ring, as in the book. That is my Bookedit.
But I wanted it, so I added what we know from the appendices. That is the Folio Edit.
But I wanted more character beats, That is the Tolkien Edit that forms the basis of the Two movie versions, my preferred.
I also did a 2h 20 min version, to see if it could be hacked back to a single movie...and it can, but it is tough and plays like a studio suit took a hatchet to it. I also have a 5hr file containing all the deleted material. IT IS SO UNWATCHABLE. ITS THE CONCENTRATED DETRITUS and padding that plagues those 3 films.
But its is interesting in its own right.
I then did a triple comparison of all 3 versions on screen synched ...I do those for myself for most of my edits coz in later years I will forget. And then of course, the detailed cultist in word.doc. Happy to share any and all of it.
Mine are in 2 x 6 BLU ray sets with cover art, the lot.
So shall we post a trailer or two or three?
I then watched a few of the edits out there last year. There are some which are very good. I did a lot of micro edits that clean up character and performance. Mine do have non book elements, but none that are inconsistent with the books or the narrative. There are so many tweaks that Im happy to share the cut list upfront since it doesn't spoil anything coz there is so much going on that your memory wont retain it, so you can still watch cold.
Below is the very high level cut list..VERY HIGH LEVEL since there are 1500 changes overall (fully listed).
My question, release or not?
Let me know.
Thanks
W
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Generic Cutlist:
- Deleted entire Prologue with Older Bilbo
- Most of the Dwarves dinner antics are cut; only a few minor moments remain
- All characters are significantly more serious throughout
- There are no children in these edits
- Azog is not under the orders of Sauron/Necromancer except in the TOLKIEN edit
- Radaghast is removed in the FOLIO and BOOK edits, and retained but made more serious in the tOLKIEN edit.
- The White Council scene in Rivendell is reworked for the 3 edits in different ways, with no forshadowing in the FOLIO edit.
LOTR Continutuity error of Sauraon with/without a ring, corrected.
- Rock Giants are removed.
- Goblin tunnels are heavily re worked, but most of Gollum's scenes are retained, except for the FOLIO edit, where the Goblin tunnels sequence is split and about a minute of Gollum is deleted.
Pine cones GONE (yes it is in the book, but the CGI is questionable and its too dramatic a sequence for the middle of film one and my edits de-emphasizes Azog significantly.
- All of Bilbo's struggling with how the Ring is changing him is removed except in the TOLKIEN edit where a small portion is retained.
- Tauriel briefly appears on screen twice and is just another elf.
- Legolas appears twice, and though named, is also just another elf.
- The Barrel sequence is significantly re-worked removing the orcs COMPLETELY (based on Spence's edit)
- Bard's family is completely removed as are the references to the prophecy.
- Alfrid only appears in one shot, has no lines of dialogue.
- The mayor of laketown only appears twice, with minimal lines of dialogue to further the story.
- Dol Goldur is de-emphasised.
- The Dwarves motlen gold fight with Smaug is completely removed.
- Smaug's attack on Lake Town removed Bard's son.
- significant re structuring of the Battle of the Five Armies
- "Misty Mountains" theme re-instated when Thorin rallies the army (again based on Spence's edit).
- The film features a new ending and opening and a number of new flashback sequences throughout the first half
- A number of significant re-scorings inserted
- The films are fully color corrected throughout.
- Many micro trims for words and gestures
- Worms are gone
- Two part version has same stylistic openings as the LOTR trilogy in form of pre-title sequences that draw you in
NO SHOT WAS LEFT UNTOUCHED[/font][/size]
Does anyone want yet another Hobbit Edit?[/font][/size]
[font=Calibri,sans-serif][size=medium]I started by stripping back to the book and re arranging some stuff including removing the prologue completely (not the first person to do that). But I hadn't at that point watched anyone else edit. I ended up with 3 versions, the Book edit, the Flio edit and the Tolkien edit running 3hr, 3.5rs and 5 hours respectively.
I then took my preferred 5 hr and chopped in two respecting the original break point the GdT has spoken of.
This was unusual since normally I start long, and trim back (like Alien C Ext trimmed to Alien V)...But on the Hobbit I found I wanted a lot of character beats and I wanted a prequel to LOTR, so I added stuff back!
Initially I wanted NO foreshadowing of the Ring, as in the book. That is my Bookedit.
But I wanted it, so I added what we know from the appendices. That is the Folio Edit.
But I wanted more character beats, That is the Tolkien Edit that forms the basis of the Two movie versions, my preferred.
I also did a 2h 20 min version, to see if it could be hacked back to a single movie...and it can, but it is tough and plays like a studio suit took a hatchet to it. I also have a 5hr file containing all the deleted material. IT IS SO UNWATCHABLE. ITS THE CONCENTRATED DETRITUS and padding that plagues those 3 films.
But its is interesting in its own right.
I then did a triple comparison of all 3 versions on screen synched ...I do those for myself for most of my edits coz in later years I will forget. And then of course, the detailed cultist in word.doc. Happy to share any and all of it.
Mine are in 2 x 6 BLU ray sets with cover art, the lot.
So shall we post a trailer or two or three?
I then watched a few of the edits out there last year. There are some which are very good. I did a lot of micro edits that clean up character and performance. Mine do have non book elements, but none that are inconsistent with the books or the narrative. There are so many tweaks that Im happy to share the cut list upfront since it doesn't spoil anything coz there is so much going on that your memory wont retain it, so you can still watch cold.
Below is the very high level cut list..VERY HIGH LEVEL since there are 1500 changes overall (fully listed).
My question, release or not?
Let me know.
Thanks
W
______________
Generic Cutlist:
- Deleted entire Prologue with Older Bilbo
- Most of the Dwarves dinner antics are cut; only a few minor moments remain
- All characters are significantly more serious throughout
- There are no children in these edits
- Azog is not under the orders of Sauron/Necromancer except in the TOLKIEN edit
- Radaghast is removed in the FOLIO and BOOK edits, and retained but made more serious in the tOLKIEN edit.
- The White Council scene in Rivendell is reworked for the 3 edits in different ways, with no forshadowing in the FOLIO edit.
LOTR Continutuity error of Sauraon with/without a ring, corrected.
- Rock Giants are removed.
- Goblin tunnels are heavily re worked, but most of Gollum's scenes are retained, except for the FOLIO edit, where the Goblin tunnels sequence is split and about a minute of Gollum is deleted.
Pine cones GONE (yes it is in the book, but the CGI is questionable and its too dramatic a sequence for the middle of film one and my edits de-emphasizes Azog significantly.
- All of Bilbo's struggling with how the Ring is changing him is removed except in the TOLKIEN edit where a small portion is retained.
- Tauriel briefly appears on screen twice and is just another elf.
- Legolas appears twice, and though named, is also just another elf.
- The Barrel sequence is significantly re-worked removing the orcs COMPLETELY (based on Spence's edit)
- Bard's family is completely removed as are the references to the prophecy.
- Alfrid only appears in one shot, has no lines of dialogue.
- The mayor of laketown only appears twice, with minimal lines of dialogue to further the story.
- Dol Goldur is de-emphasised.
- The Dwarves motlen gold fight with Smaug is completely removed.
- Smaug's attack on Lake Town removed Bard's son.
- significant re structuring of the Battle of the Five Armies
- "Misty Mountains" theme re-instated when Thorin rallies the army (again based on Spence's edit).
- The film features a new ending and opening and a number of new flashback sequences throughout the first half
- A number of significant re-scorings inserted
- The films are fully color corrected throughout.
- Many micro trims for words and gestures
- Worms are gone
- Two part version has same stylistic openings as the LOTR trilogy in form of pre-title sequences that draw you in
NO SHOT WAS LEFT UNTOUCHED[/font][/size]