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The Fellowship of the Ring: Remade

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mukankakuna said:
Watched yesterday.
Since I'm planning to do it myself I had some doubts to watch it because I wanted to have fresh ideas, but also, what's the point to do something when it's already done?


I know It's not a faithful to the book edit. My comments would take that into account.


For the first part (first DVD) I rewatched the original movie to see the changes.


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At Bilbos's party I would try to keep the dragon's firework scene. With the forthcoming release of "The Hobbit" it might be a good recall of it (better if you watch them consecutively). Also, there is a missing scene between Bilbo and Frodo that is not bad.
Otherwise, good editing and you removed Merry and Pippin (Thanks).


Cut some Sam's complains about sleep on the floor. Good choice.
Removing Elves's parade. Works well but also it's not a bad scene to let it in.


Saruman versus Gandalf. Fantastic job. I had in my mind to do something like this and you just did it perfect. Seamless job. No issues with the sound. Thanks for it!


First encounter with the Nazgul. Much better in general but I would try the Nazgul to don't get off the horse. I think that way it is going to be more frightening, also, it seems to me, he is too much close to the Hobbits, and, of course, to the ring. Must be the one blind, deaf, an without the sense of smell, Nazgul of the nine. Lucky Hobbits.




Clever edits at the river. Works much better for me.


Nice choice removing the Nazguls stabbing the Hobbits. I hate that scene. They look silly.


Weathertop scene. We have here one of the top edits in the movie if not the best. Despite it is a bit harsh in some transitions, the overal is wonderful, very well done. I had to rewatched because I was wondering how you did it. Still don't know how you tricked the Nazgul coming through the mist.
Exceeded my initial expectations. Very refreshing scene.


Now stating the hard part. I personally dislike-hate some of the incoming stuff; Arwen, Elrond and Rivendel in general.


Arwen first appearence. I dislike this scene but it's imposible to fix (where will be Glorfindel). At least you did it better removing some silly lines. Arwen don't caught Aragorn off guard, and removing the last lines of Sam: "What are you doing?!Those Wraiths are still out there!". Thanks.
Good choice removing a Nazgul trying to catch Frodo in the chace.


I don't like Arwen casting the spell. It seems to me she is too much powerful. She, all alone, defeats the Nazgul. It dosen't feel right.
Thanks for removing the Nazgul going in the same direction of the wave and the last lines of Arwen "What grace is given me..." but it's still weird how she behave with Frodo. She just meet him. Don't know why is she so concern. Maybe cut the scene a bit before, when Frodo is still on the horse.




Some good cuts in Rivendel but I don't like the council and you leave it, I think, as it was. Two things bother me; Legolas responding to Boromir (don't know why he is so upset) and, more important, Gimli hitting the one ring with the axe. Augh, it's too silly even for him. Please, think about removing that.


Moria. You did some cuts at the battle scene and even It's well done I think it's good stuff to miss.
You removed the monkey orcs, thanks, and the ladder scene. I understand why but I like that scene.


Lorien.
I don't like the first appearance of the elves, pointing a bow at them very, very close. I don't know if it can be fixed. Also, Galadriel's telepathy feels weird to me.


Sudden transition with the music at 1:00:39.


There is an issue at the final part of the movie, when Aragorn let Frodo to go alone to mordor. Think about it. Aragorn who is a ranger with a lot of experience would let a Hobbit without any experience, go alone, even without Sam, with the one ring toward mordor? It's a totally suicide and jeopardizes the safety of the mission. I don't know what the scriptwriters were thinking about when they wrote it.
I know it's hard to fix but maybe you can do something.
Same for Merry and Pippin. We thougth they were friends but, hey, maybe they just hate Frodo. They must be thinking something like; "Go, Frodo, go alone and die in mordor".


The cuts are well done but again, you cut some good fight stuff that I like. I miss when Legolas shoot one after another arrows. Even I don't like him making odd movements It should be noted that he is an elf and It is one thing to do that kind of stuff and another the things he do in the next movies (to kill an mûmakil is a serious stuff).
There is another sudden transition with the music at 1:08 but it's not a big deal.

The overall edition is very good. Amazing work with the sound transitions and some scenes are a huge improvement from the original (Saruman fight, Weathertop). It's a pity that you don't go for a more faithful (to the book) edition because I believe you would do a great job.
My, personal, concerns about the edit would be (aside it's not a faithful edition);
Gimli smashing the ring.
The missing of some fight stuff in moria and in the forest at the end of the movie.
And the biggest of them; Aragorn's decision toward Frodo (same for Merry and Pippin).


Oh, and the video quality. It have saturated colors and some issue when a subtitle is displayed. I would be better if you could do it in HD 1080 or, at least, 720.


I would recommend this edition to the people who enjoy the original movie and wants an improved version.

Thank you! I was hoping to see your comments on what you thought about the cuts - not just how they were made but also what you thought about them, and I got just that!

My responses will contain SPOILERS.

That early scene with Bilbo and Frodo had to go for me to make it work with removing Merry and Pip here. I like it too, it was just a casualty of editing!

I don't really mind the elves in the forest either - it's just that once I had noticed that F & S change places during the scene I could not unsee it. I could perhaps have switched the image to correct it (I did this with the Nazgûl at the river, they draw with one hand and then have the swords in the other next shot) but I like it better this way anyway.

I am so happy you liked the wizards. That gave me a whole lot of headache to line up, lots of sound to balance out. It was the very first scene that I ever edited. It didn't look like now after the first attempt :p

My first version had the Nazgûl stay on the horse, but it came off as very odd. The scene holds together better like this, and at least it does not sit on top of them.

Yay river! I find it funny how the problem with this scene was mirrored in Prometheus now.

Wooo Weathertop! I'm very happy. I agree that it might the single best improvment of this edit. That first shot is owed to Kerr - he took the video and edited out the other Nazgûl. Such an awesome guy.

Arwen - well, we have to work with what we are given. I think it works with her casting the spell - she is in her own lands now. Her reaction over Frodo...gah. I had an earlier version with it almost all gone, but the transition became weird.

I like the council! ;-)
I even think this act of Gimli works - at least it is silliness that moves the movie along, unlike all the rest of his antics.

The Moria fight was severly reduced. I'm not all happy, but I think the result is better than it was originally. So much sound and what not to edit...

Lorien - the elves are weird. The bow pointing is silly, but whatever.

Aragorn lets Frodo go. Yes it's rather odd. But it has to stay for the parts to come together unless I want to cut a whole chunk out. It is alright - Aragorn realises the power of the Ring, and that a humble hobbit might be best suited. They did this to enhance Aragorn's character I believe...so often they stray from the book for reasons not obvious or even helpful...

Could you say in which scenes those sound issues are? I looked at the given times and am confused. :)

Those subtitles, grr. It's the thing I am most displeased with.


Of course I had no intention of making this closer to the books, so there is a lot of room for you to go ahead!

Thanks again for taking the time.
 

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You're welcome.

spelledaren said:
Could you say in which scenes those sound issues are? I looked at the given times and am confused. :)

The first is at 1:00:39. After the argument between Aragorn and Boromir: "Scare of who you are... what you are". The next scene thay are on the river padding.


The other is at 1:08:29 after Aragorn strikes, then there is Sam saying: "Mister Frodo!".
 

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Thank you, then I know what you mean and don't have to go listen to it!

The first one I agree with, I couldn't find a way to get between the two parts in a smoother fashion. I'd say it works as is, but I'm not too happy about it.

The other one I think works just fine.
 
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