Star Wars Sequel Trilogy - Delusions of Grandeur (my dream fix)

[TheFoxMan]

@Wraith recently posted about films that are so bad they can’t be fixed. My good buddy @DonkeyKonga of course said Last Jedi. I love Donkey because we can have very cordial “nerdy” discussions about the sequel trilogy. I personally like them…I don’t love them…but certainly see why a certain portion of the fan base hates them. All of Donkey’s opinions are completely valid!

But………

What if we could make a cohesive story out of the 3 movies much like how @Wraith rearranged the Unbreakable movies by changing the order of scenes across all 3 movies? Is it even possible?!? I’d love to get everyone’s opinion!

I personally love what @Hal9000 did, but what if there was more that could be done? What if we could make something even @DonkeyKonga could appreciate - not love - but appreciate!! 🤣🤣🤣

A lot of my thought revolves around Luke’s death and character arc.

This is beyond my technical skills - but would anyone in the community have the ability to realistically make Luke no longer a force ghost in ROS?

I envision removing most of the Luke attacking Kylo stuff and leaving just his first telling of the story in the movie.

Then when Rey goes into the hole - instead of seeing herself she sees a vision that basically lets her know that she’s a Palpatine (using footage of her on the throne from ROS)

Right after that scene it cuts to Luke talking with Yoda. All scenes of Rey and Luke arguing and fighting are gone.

Then somehow transition to Rey and Luke’s conversation from ROS (Luke is in the same robes as the yoda scene) and Luke telling her he knows she’s a palpatine. Cut out the scenes of her getting Leia’s lightsaber and go to Luke lifting the X-wing and then it kind of seems like they leave together.

Then when Kylo charges Luke in the Crait battle, that is actually when Luke dies, much like Obi Wan.

there’s more to be done but I think that sequence of events needs to happen to try and fix everything that follows.

Thoughts??? And anyone out there think they can de-ghost Luke???

 

[DonkeyKonga]

^ I approve of these ideas. Ideally I'd completely remove Palpatine and leave the entire trilogy open ended and end it with Snoke dying.

 

[TheFoxMan]

^ I approve of these ideas. Ideally I'd completely remove Palpatine and leave the entire trilogy open ended and end it with Snoke dying.

Somewhere on here I feel like I saw someone tried to figure out a way to make the Snoke throne room fight the end of the trilogy - I’m trying to figure out how that would work.

I saw a picture @Wraith posted of the diagram of the Unbreakable Trilogy and I feel like I need to get out a white board and as Jerry Seinfeld said “where are my magic markers??”

 

[Moe_Syzlak]

I’ve shared my feelings on the ST here before so I’ll be brief. I think the first one is well-executed but creatively bankrupt. I like that the second one tried to break from the tired formulas but was very poorly executed. The third one is just all around bad. If I could fix it, my dream would be to eliminate Palpatine and embrace the direction of TLJ. Have Kylo Ren not be redeemed. HE is the ultimate baddie of the trilogy. Instead of the redemption arc it is truly the irredeemable villain. I’m sure there’s no way to make that work with the footage available though. But who knows, with all the AI advances maybe it will be feasible soon. 🤣

 

[Wraith]

Somewhere on here I feel like I saw someone tried to figure out a way to make the Snoke throne room fight the end of the trilogy - I’m trying to figure out how that would work.

I saw a picture @Wraith posted of the diagram of the Unbreakable Trilogy and I feel like I need to get out a white board and as Jerry Seinfeld said “where are my magic markers??”

I have a long planned SUG style Star Wars edit planned… it will draw from ALL sources to create a trilogy of movies …I’ve been tinker with paper, spreadsheets other tools for a decade plus.

As more material like Obi Wan, Mandalorian, Andor, Solo, Rogue one and more…ideas and structure shift…I leave that there.

Much like my yet to be completed Star Trek Genesis Legacy, I’ve waited for 20 years for the vfx I need to maybe appear… and they have.

Star Wars is missing a few pieces which, due to recent events and developments, I can now plug.

Shhhhhh!

 

[TheFoxMan]

I have a long planned SUG style Star Wars edit planned… it will draw from ALL sources to create a trilogy of movies …I’ve been tinker with paper, spreadsheets other tools for a decade plus.

As more material like Obi Wan, Mandalorian, Andor, Solo, Rogue one and more…ideas and structure shift…I leave that there.

Much like my yet to be completed Star Trek Genesis Legacy, I’ve waited for 20 years for the vfx I need to maybe appear… and they have.

Star Wars is missing a few pieces which, due to recent events and developments, I can now plug.

Shhhhhh!

You have me really excited!!!!!

 

[DonkeyKonga]

Isn't there a scene in ROS where Luke says Leia never finished her training because she has a vision Kylo would die and turn dark? What if you use that to suggest that her fear of that outcome actually make Kylo win in the end?

 

[DonkeyKonga]

I’ve shared my feelings on the ST here before so I’ll be brief. I think the first one is well-executed but creatively bankrupt. I like that the second one tried to break from the tired formulas but was very poorly executed. The third one is just all around bad. If I could fix it, my dream would be to eliminate Palpatine and embrace the direction of TLJ. Have Kylo Ren not be redeemed. HE is the ultimate baddie of the trilogy. Instead of the redemption arc it is truly the irredeemable villain. I’m sure there’s no way to make that work with the footage available though. But who knows, with all the AI advances maybe it will be feasible soon. 🤣

Yeah I'd ideally cut out Snoke altogether lol. We REALLY don't need a random sith (is he a sith?! what is he?!) Lord popping up that actually beat Luke. <_<

 

[ArtisDead]

I saw a picture @Wraith posted of the diagram of the Unbreakable Trilogy and I feel like I need to get out a white board and as Jerry Seinfeld said “where are my magic markers??”

@Wraith, you will need to put together three large banquet tables for that narrative. You will likely need many "old man wee" breaks in between going from one narrative string to the next. Mrs. Wraith is going to have a conniption. Best go ahead and get her a cheese wheel to gnosh on and some spotted dick for dessert.

 

[Masirimso17]

I had many ideas to restructure the entire trilogy and attempted it once, but there's only so much I can do when there's little material--everything else feels superfluous to me as soon as Rey closes the door on Kylo at the end of Last Jedi.

Which is why I'm waiting for the new Rey movie to see what new material we can get from it. Fingers crossed it'll be good!

 

[DonkeyKonga]

I had many ideas to restructure the entire trilogy and attempted it once, but there's only so much I can do when there's little material--everything else feels superfluous to me as soon as Rey closes the door on Kylo at the end of Last Jedi.

Which is why I'm waiting for the new Rey movie to see what new material we can get from it. Fingers crossed it'll be good!

'Somehow..' You know the rest lol

 

[TheFoxMan]

I had many ideas to restructure the entire trilogy and attempted it once, but there's only so much I can do when there's little material--everything else feels superfluous to me as soon as Rey closes the door on Kylo at the end of Last Jedi.

Which is why I'm waiting for the new Rey movie to see what new material we can get from it. Fingers crossed it'll be good!

I totally agree with you on this. I keep thinking if there is a way to make the Snoke throne room fight the end of the trilogy and somehow make it look like that fight is happening at the same time the Resistance is fighting on Exogal.

The problem is if you cut out palpatine altogether what is the point of the third movie? And I think that is the point you are trying to make. They are searching for a wayfinder to what?? A hidden Imperial Fleet?

Everytime I feel like I come up with an idea something conflicts with it and slams the door in my face.

I really think you could use the Holdo maneuver at the end and make it look like Leia does it (using the shots prior to her being exploded into space) - but how does Rey get out of Snoke’s ship and is that Kylo Ren’s death?

I’m really trying to figure this out though!

 

[Masirimso17]

I totally agree with you on this. I keep thinking if there is a way to make the Snoke throne room fight the end of the trilogy and somehow make it look like that fight is happening at the same time the Resistance is fighting on Exogal.

The problem is if you cut out palpatine altogether what is the point of the third movie? And I think that is the point you are trying to make. They are searching for a wayfinder to what?? A hidden Imperial Fleet?

Everytime I feel like I come up with an idea something conflicts with it and slams the door in my face.

I really think you could use the Holdo maneuver at the end and make it look like Leia does it (using the shots prior to her being exploded into space) - but how does Rey get out of Snoke’s ship and is that Kylo Ren’s death?

I’m really trying to figure this out though!

That was my plan--I actually moved the Force Awakens Starkiller attack and combined it with the Exegol battle so Exegol was just above Starkiller, and the endgame would be to destroy Starkiller Base once and for all--meanwhile Rey and Kylo would be on the Starkiller (or a different ship) and yeah the Snoke throne room would be their climax.

But the big problem, again, is Rey has nothing to do for the rest of the third film until the throne room. Even if you use a lot of the scenes in Rise of Skywalker there is no character development left to invest yourself in the story. At least one that would naturally lead to the throne room. Maybe taking a look at some Rey Nobody edits may be beneficial?

You can take a look at my old ITW thread for ideas if you want: https://forums.fanedit.org/threads/masirimso17’s-star-wars-restructured-sequel-trilogy.20858

 

[Rydor305]

^ I approve of these ideas. Ideally I'd completely remove Palpatine and leave the entire trilogy open ended and end it with Snoke dying.

That's my plan, I'm already considering doing that when I get around to fixing the rise of skywalker at some point. Although, I was gonna just have a different way of ending the trilogy instead of Snoke dying.

 

[Rydor305]

Yeah I'd ideally cut out Snoke altogether lol. We REALLY don't need a random sith (is he a sith?! what is he?!) Lord popping up that actually beat Luke. <_<

Well... idk, he still serves some function. For me, ROS just needs the focus to shift to someone else being the main villain. But since I don't have that movie edit created yet for now, I can link you to my own edit of the last jedi; however, you're going to need an mkv of the movie and do couple of steps. if you want, I can link you to my discord and help you compile everything if you'd like. That is if you have an mkv of the movie on hand some reason or another.

*Update- currently I'm having it my edit reviewed or being add to the database, or whatever. So you might be able to watch it if comes out, although I don't know when that will be.

 

[Rydor305]

On my channel rydor305 I have a opening crawl and a completely different name for the last jedi. Its not much, but its better then the original one. I've finished my cut of the movie, its just that I don't know where to submit it.