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Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Restructured V3

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This project is in Version 3.

Synopsis: It's the same Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens you fell in love with, only restructured slightly so that Starkiller Base does not fire until close to the end of the film. During the battle over Starkiller Base, the stakes are no longer protecting the Resistance base, but preventing the destruction of the Republic Capitol. Even though they destroy the First Order's superweapon, they fail to do so in time to save the day.

Intention: [font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]To move the destruction of the Hosnian system to the climax of the film, implementing all the little things necessary to facilitate it seamlessly, and address a few other minor things.[/font]

How does this restructuring help the film?
  • The second act centers around the events of Maz's castle and remains focused on the characters and their struggle to keep the First Order from finding the map to Luke. The First Order catching up to Han and Rey is sufficient motivation for Finn to decide not to leave, without the Hosnian system being destroyed.
  • Starkiller Base firing upon the Hosnian system in the third act links it very closely to Kylo Ren's resolution toward the dark side as he kills Han. Pairing these events magnifies each.
  • Han taking a risk motivated by love for his son which brings about costly failure is a dark mirror of Vader doing the same in Return of the Jedi and ending up helping to save the galaxy.
  • It alleviates the plot's very close parallel with the original Star Wars.
  • Starkiller Base is depicted as functioning in an intuitive way: it drains the nearby star (or "the Sun," as Finn describes it), which covers it in darkness, and then fires on the Republic Capitol. Gone are the awkward questions about why the planet was still in daylight when it fired the first time during the second act, and whether the base is mobile.
  • It avoids depicting the Hosnian system clearly visible to the naked eye, very large in the sky, from lightyears away. The official Lucasfilm canon answer is that Starkiller Base created a "space-time disruption," an obvious bandaid answer to apologize for a wanton move on the filmmakers' part. One wonders whether such intersystem spectacles are common in this world, because no one who witnessed the destruction had the slightest trouble identifying what was happening.
  • It avoids raising the question of why the Resistance did not begin evacuating their base during the third act when they know they are the target. In the original Star Wars, the Death Star was looming overhead; here, there's no obvious reason why they could not have fled.

This project was born of the emergent idea from all over the Internet after we all saw the film. Numerous people at OriginalTrilogy.com suggested this idea immediately after release. See also William Gillis’ blog post which explains his rationale for desiring this change: https://humaniterations.net/2016/03/26/how-to-fix-the-force-awakens/

Running time is about 137 minutes.

Available as a 1080p BluRay50-compatible mkv, a 720p iTunes-compatible mp4, and a DVD5.

Special features: 
Chapter stops 
Subtitles (English and French)

Cuts and Additions:

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]As Finn mans the TIE fighter with Poe, trimmed firing upon fellow stormtroopers so soon after planning to escape. Now, he causes peripheral damage to prevent them from firing at him and takes aim at the command center. (Slightly shifted the placement of the film’s trademark Wilhelm scream in order to retain it.)[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Removed Kylo Ren identifying Finn’s stormtrooper ID from memory.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Added the Falcon jumping to hyperspace after leaving Jakku, then being ripped from hyperspace soon after, along with removing a now-out-of-place line from Finn about “get[ting] out of this system.” (FX by NeverarGreat)[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Removed Rey saving Finn from the rathtars, cutting from Finn’s line, “They look like that,” to Han and Chewie arriving at the door to the Falcon.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Removed General Hux from the first scene with Snoke, where he suggests using the weapon to destroy the Republic. (FX by Jackpumpkinhead to remove Hux walking offscreen during first shot)[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Removed Finn’s comedic line about almost being killed several times by Chewie while tending to him on the Falcon (Mimicked DigModiFicaTion’s approach).[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]After Rey flees Maz's castle after her Force vision, replaced the Hosnian system being destroyed in the sky with a Star Destroyer. Finn and Han now gaze up to see that the First Order has caught up with them, as they feared. Finn’s line to Han about the First Order has been changed, including a brief visual modification to his mouth. (FX by Sir Ridley and NeverarGreat)[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Removed Han shooting a stormtrooper while facing the other way.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Throughout the battle at Maz’s castle, applied a slight sunset color correction to harmonize the sunset lighting present before and afterward.[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]New deleted scene included of Leia discussing the Republic. The scene was originally intended for earlier in the film, and Leia’s prominent braid has been removed to match her scenes immediately prior and after. Audio has been redesigned to accompany a finished film, and the sequence retimed to accommodate it. (FX by Sir Ridley and NeverarGreat)[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]When Finn is introduced to Leia, removed mention of the Hosnian system's destruction, though retained mention that Finn had worked on the base (thanks to FX work by NeverarGreat).[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]R2 now has a blinking light to indicate that he has begun searching for the map. (FX by NeverarGreat)[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]After Rey resists Kylo Ren's mind probe, added the portion of the Snoke scene from earlier where General Hux suggests using the weapon to destroy the Republic. Kylo Ren’s face has been overlaid where his mask was for one shot, and a few shots from behind have had the back of his head replace his hood. (FX by Jackpumpkinhead and krlozdac)[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Moved General Hux's impassioned speech to after Kylo Ren overreacts to Rey's escape from her cell.[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]After the speech, the nearby Sun beings to be drained, as Hux and the troops gaze upon the stream being sucked into the planet. (Recolored to yellow-orange, and reversed so as to appear to be going down into the ground)[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]During the briefing scene at the Resistance base, removed Leia identifying their base as the Starkiller's next target, Threepio lamenting the prior loss of the Republic fleet, and well as mention that the First Order is charging the weapon "again."[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Cleaned up the smoke and debris around the Starkiller weapon exhaust when the X-Wings approach. (FX by NeverarGreat)[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]During a brief cutaway to the Resistance base as Han and Chewie infiltrate the oscillator, removed Threepio's line, "It would take a miracle to save us now."[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Removed Finn’s comedic moment of misunderstanding Han’s head nod while searching for Rey (Mimicked DigModiFicaTion’s approach). [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Immediately after Kylo Ren kills Han, the Starkiller fires and destroys the Hosnian system, as Leia senses it through the Force. (Some FX by Sir Ridley and NeverarGreat)[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]As Finn and Rey start to head outside the oscillator, cut to Snoke and Hux planning to destroy the Resistance. (FX by Sir Ridley)[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]First Order technician redubbed to state the weapon will be fully “re”-charged in 30 seconds. (Voice from AbramPT)[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Kylo Ren’s scar has been shifted to match its position in The Last Jedi. (FX by Sir Ridley)[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Chewie has been cropped out of a shot of him walking past Leia. (Crop and image enhancement by Sir Ridley)[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Extended the shot of R2 waking up, to allow him to finish searching his backup data. (FX by NeverarGreat)[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Color corrected Ach-to to bring it a little closer to the corresponding scene’s lighting and weather conditions in The Last Jedi.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]The final shot of the film has been stabilized. (FX by NeverarGreat)[/font]



Special Thanks: 
Everyone at OriginalTrilogy.com who contributed, including:
NeverarGreat (Visual and audio effects)
Sir Ridley (Visual and audio effects)
Jackpumpkinhead (Visual effects)
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Noodle_Finger (fan editor behind a prior TFA edit)
 

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Hal9000 said:
The following information and more can be found at FanEdit.org, home of the fan edits.

originally posted on OT.com? :D

i assume this will be listed soon on IForceDB.

these seem to thoughtful changes, H9K. i like that the hosnian system's destruction is moved toward the end, so that the immense lack of mourning doesn't have time to, uh, emotionally grip us.
 

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This sounds like a nifty edit.

Hal9000 said:
It avoids depicting the Hosnian system clearly visible to the naked eye, very large in the sky, from lightyears away. The official Lucasfilm canon answer is that Starkiller Base created a "space-time disruption," an obvious bandaid answer to apologize for a wanton move on the filmmakers' part.

If you are saying the hyperspace thing is an "answer" Lucasfilm just came up with to fan questions about a perceived lack of logic in how the weapon worked... that's not the case. The FA Visual dictionary mentions StarKillerBase being a hyperspace weapon and that was already printed and in shops just before the film came out.
 

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If you are saying the hyperspace thing is an "answer" Lucasfilm just came up with to fan questions about a perceived lack of logic in how the weapon worked... that's not the case. The FA Visual dictionary mentions StarKillerBase being a hyperspace weapon and that was already printed and in shops just before the film came out.

Oh, that's not the problem at all. No one was complaining about SKB being able to destroy planets instantly from lightyears away. Rather, the problem lies in our heroes being able to clearly see this in the sky from a planet in a different part of the galaxy. 
Let's say you have the ability to instantly destroy an entire solar system 1,000 light years away. Even though you are able to destroy it today, we wouldn't be able to visibly observe this for another 1,000 years. Similarly, it makes no sense for Han and company to be able to gaze into the sky from a planet nowhere near Hosnian Prime and see it being destroyed in the sky that big. 
(I totally understand that this is not a "problem" with the film per se, just a nerdy nitpick. This wasn't targeted specifically in this edit, but the restructure serendipitously solved this.)
My understanding of Lucasfilm's explanation for this was that SKB ripped a hole in space and time in order to work, allowing the event to be visible from lightyears away instantly. This strikes me as incoherent and ad hoc. If it were a special event like this that isn't normal, it doesn't jive with Han and company appearing to effortlessly understand what they are seeing. This is why it comes across to me as a band-aid explanation to cover JJ's choices of what to put onscreen. 

This blog post sums it up pretty well. Scroll down to below the screencap of Han looking into the sky.
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Be advised that the 1080p version that had been made available on Myspleen is going to be replaced soon. It had very ugly compression in some scenes. I know what caused the problem, and am working to get a fixed version up ASAP. So, you may want to hold off on getting it.
 

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UPDATE: The first 1080p release is fine. It was just the unavoidable results of compression to fit onto a single-layer BluRay disc. So, I'm going to be replacing it with a full bitrate version clocking in at over 31GB. This will be the best option for the future, since anyone interested in the highest quality version surely wouldn't mind a little larger file size.
 

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The BD50-sized version is on Myspleen now, and I'm making ready to have it listed elsewhere too. Thanks for all your patience.
 

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Very interesting. That blog post is spot on... about flaws that I couldn't even see!

I can definitely see how it would help the political aspect (something that was totally under-explained in the film).

Just wondering... Has the opening crawl been changed in any way?
 

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I checked the blog link and it appears the author added a direct download link to this edit so had to remove the blog link. If anyone else wants to read the blog, PM Hal or open this tag:
Blog author said:

I think I’ve figured out how to salvage The Force Awakens. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a good movie, a damn fun and refreshing movie, but it’s widely acknowledge to still have deep problems, especially in the second half. Surprisingly there’s basically one change that I think could have turned it into a great movie.
And no, I’m not talking about R2-D2’s random map bit. Yes the whole map-to-Luke mcguffin was kinda forced, but JJ could have easily focused in on some part of R2 after BB-8 leaves him and let a small light start blinking to remove the perceived arbitrariness of his later awakening. That’s trivial to solve and will probably be done in a special edition.
No, I’m talking a structural change, a plot change: The New Republic senate shouldn’t have been destroyed until just before the end of the film.
What if, in the final battle, Starkiller Base wasn’t gratuitously firing on a tiny little rinky-dink Resistance base they could have as easily just bombed, but on the New Republic itself? And then it succeeded. Sure our heroes still manage to destroy the New Order’s superweapon, but they do so after the major damage has been done. With this delay the emotional emphasis changes. They fail to save the day. They merely survive to slink off in a suddenly changed galaxy, and what hope they manage to scrounge from defeat becomes all the more desperate.
The critical moment goes something like this: Han confronts Ben, the star is finally drained away to nothing and darkness covers them, Kylo kills Han, Chewie howls and shoots Kylo. Leia is slammed. Rey and Finn fire their blasters in despair, that’s when we see Starkiller Base finally fire, casting everything in red and orange to match Kylo’s saber. Finn and Rey scramble into the snow blown up from the firing and we cut to the magical hyperlaser slamming into the Senate and destroying the Republic’s mighty fleet. Leia crumples. Rey and Finn are scrambling through the snow, Chewie trying to escape the troopers, everything is in tatters, and that’s when Chewie blows the charges, Poe flies in past an escaping Kylo and blows the regulator. Then Kylo confronts Rey and Finn and everything returns to the normal trajectory we saw on screens.
Why is this better? Well because it breaks the A New Hope story to a significant degree and double-emphasizes the loss of Han, making the film more dark. Imagine if Yavin IV had actually been destroyed before Luke had managed to blow the Death Star. It also swings the otherwise largely indiscernible political context back into focus in a way that actually works. In the first cut of the film JJ had Leia send a representative to the New Republic to argue on her behalf that the First Order was a pressing threat. JJ was right to take that out of the final film because it involved us randomly cutting away from our new heroes over to Leia before she shows up on Takodana and has her perfect introduction with Han. However what was lost with these cut scenes is any remote understanding of the wider political situation, which makes TFA’s conflict feel like a forced rehash. Suddenly the Empire’s back and the Rebellion is too, and oh there’s this other thing for half a second.
With the destruction of Hosnian Prime moved back to the final act there’s room for the political situation to be spelled out first.
There’s really no point in having the Hosnian system be destroyed while our heroes are on Takodana. Rey has her force-vision and runs away, Finn is about to depart and then the version of The Force Awakens we got has twothings happen at once: Starkiller Base fires and Kylo’s forces descend on Maz’s castle. Only one of those is really necessary. All Finn needs as motivation to turn around and seek Rey is the First Order attacking Maz’s castle and thus directly putting her in danger.
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Further the scene where Finn and others look up and see distant exploding planets has widely been noted as profoundly insulting to the audience. Star Wars has an explicit speed of light and that doesn’t let you immediately see what happens on planets half a galaxy away by merely looking up in the sky on a different planet in a different system. This scene is hot garbage. JJ has done this kind of shit before (putting Spock on another distant planet where somehow he can see Vulcan be destroyed in the sky with his bare eyes), and he got hate for it. JJ doing it again is just flagrant disrespect.
Star Wars is far from a hard SF franchise — it has sound in space and wizards — but a major part of why fans love it so dearly is in its world-building. Star Wars would be a but a pale fraction of what it is without compendiums explaining every species and vehicle. Attention to consistency and detail is a critical part of respecting your fans by showing you love the galaxy too. Star Wars is not serious science fiction by any stretch of the imagination, but neither is it something as halfassed as say Moffat’s Doctor Who, a campy fairy tale that doesn’t bother with consistency but focuses on cute momentary spectacle that almost immediately sours the moment you turn a couple neurons to think about it.
Instead of the destruction of the Hosnian system you could simply have Hux give his speech and use Starkiller to start draining a star. (This would also remove the slightly confusing bit where Starkiller has a star and daylight when firing for the first time.) The look of the base beginning to drain a star is profound enough. The planet iseating a star! Hux says they will power up with it and fire across the galaxy! There’s no story reason the whole process should only take twenty minutes in-universe. Indeed dragging out the draining of the star over the entire last acts helps add to a sense of the magnitude of this superweapon and how it’s different than the Death Stars.
This disruption — the beginning of the draining of a star — could be sufficient for the Resistance to take note (“massive disruptions in hyperspace”). Or Finn could be the one to relay the message about Star Killer base in reaction to Rey being taken hostage.
What this enables is scenes with Leia trying to contact the Republic to warn them. This is where the Republic refusing to deal with her and the difference between the mighty Republic and the weak Resistance can actually be shown to the audience. Leia can try to contact with a hologram and get the runaround and rejection by senators or bureaucrats. Think of her talking to a sympathetic senator who’s helped shield her from other factions in the Republic and finance her little Resistance but who feels like she can do no more, and relaying Leia’s fears to the Senate would mean openly admitting being in contact with Leia. “But this superweapon could destroy the Republic!” “They’d arrest me rather than hear from you.” You could also imagine her contacting the admiral of the mighty Republic fleet — and this would be a great moment for Ackbar to appear and actually be a character, someone sympathetic, but tied down by his leadership role. And maybe he does get a few ships away, or presses for evacuation, but it’s too late in the final act. Alternately you could have Leia send a delegate to try and convince people to evacuate, and ultimately have her die on the planet, after periodically cutting to her efforts to save folks during the rest of last acts.
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Leia thus emerges more clearly as a Cassandra character and her Resistance is situated clearly against a New Republic that is happy to keep a treaty with the remnants of the Empire. And then the end of the film involves her both being right, to hideous consequences, as well as losing Han.
Even with everything else the same, this makes for a very different movie than A New Hope, indeed it blurs aspects of both A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. The loss of the mentor isn’t in the middle as with Obiwan’s death, it’s at the end. The deep catastrophe isn’t in the middle as with Alderaan, but at the end. Our heroes survive and The First Order is impeded, but it’s more of an Empire Strikes Back sort of situation. Except even worse, more of a Revenge of the Sith sort of situation because everything has changed and all the good guys have left is hope. People run up to greet the survivors, but there is no cheering victory. The “find Luke” ending is reminiscent more of the “find Han and that bounty hunter” ending of ESB, but it also becomes all the more meaningful, because we have a more immediate sense of him being truly needed.
This single plot change doesn’t make The Force Awakens a completely novel experience, it remains a hash of things that have worked before, but it mixes things up further than the direct retread of A New Hope we got. And it provides a good way to actually demonstrate the political context at an appropriate time, without slogging down the film or arbitrarily interrupting the early adventures of Finn & Rey.
What’s also astonishing about this change is how little screentime it would change. Some shots like Kylo and Hux watching the first firing would have to be changed to them watching the star being sucked down. You’d get a couple extra minutes of Leia or her delegate trying to warn the Republic, trying to get people to evacuate. And you’d change some dialog in the Resistance base and move the shot of the Hosnian destruction to the moments between Kylo killing Han and Poe making his trench run. You could have Starkiller fire as viewed by the X-wing pilots, but then Poe notices the hole Chewie blew in the energy regulator. And in this version there’s still enough energy remaining in Starkiller from the sun after firing that it can be released, engulfing the base.
(Notice further that you can keep the shots of Han and Finn looking up, but pair those shots with the descent of the First Order ships. Indeed, in any case, this is something I’d strongly encourage being done in a special edition to remove the whole “we can instantly see another planet exploding from across the galaxy” insult.)
But despite at most adding no more than a few minutes such changes would significantly slow down the the rushed mess of the film and give it a more coherent and unified feel. From Takodana on it’s a race to save the (ungrateful and unaware) New Republic from the New Order’s superweapon. The main characters fail. And in doing so Han’s death isn’t minimized by the immediately following trivial success easily blowing up yet another death star. Similarly neither is the victory at Endor by the Rebellion seemingly cast aside. We get to see that the Galaxy has had 30 years of something resembling peace and liberalization. The victory of RtoJ isn’t already basically trashed by the time TFA opens, instead the entire film clearly and slowly lays out the rise of the First Order from a minor power to the supreme power in the galaxy and the demolishing of everything accomplished at Endor.
And this gives even more power to Rey’s fight with Kylo. Everything is freshly ruined. Her father figure has been murdered, her new friend lies possibly dead, and the New Republic hasjust been destroyed. Everything they were fighting against has come to pass. Poe’s pitiful squadron has been shredded. Kylo is seemingly unstoppable. And then she musters her strength, overcomes the fear and trepidation that has hounded her, calls out to the Skywalker lighsaber and it flies past Kylo into her hand. She masters her rage in a moment of absolute loss, both personal and across the galaxy, and finds clarity and serenity.
Destroying the Republic senate at the end after a long buildup would take everything good about the film and turn it up to 11.
 

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^Good call, since he added a direct link. It's worth seeking out, since he describes the proposal very well. 
And no, the opening crawl hasn't been modified. This project sought to execute that one core idea, and then get out without doing anything collaterally. 
Sort of my way of compromising between doing an edit and resisting doing an edit. :)
 

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I thought it was pretty simple why they did not leave the base here & in the original.  The first order / empire would still hunt them down until they were all dead they wanted to make a last stand instead of running forever
 

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oh YES, this edit has been completed! Loved the idea at first sight.

I was SO looking forward to this. Will give comment whenever possible :)
 

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I've been waiting for this day for a long time...This will probably be my go to version of TFA from now on.
 

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Thanks a lot for this. Seems like every JJ Abrams film needs a couple of logic ajustements.
Are you considering a new version with the upcoming deleted scenes? (In case they turn out to be interesting)
The only thing missing here is the destuction of the "cute" Rey moments that tried to pass for humor and ended up annoying me to no end.
Just 3 moments
The "witty" banter during the Tie Chase
The "I fixed the hyperdrive" moment
The "Look, a wall of fur" while going to look for Luke.
If those 3 were obliterated out of existence I would be SO happy.

It's because of editors and fans like you and the others that flawed movies become enjoyable.
 

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As I've been working my way through this edit I believe I found a visual continuity error. At the 1:26:28 mark, Kylo is masked, when he was just seconds ago unmasked, and then he returns to being unmasked moments later. If some compositing is needed I could work on that scene for you. The editing before and beyond is almost unnoticeable. Top notch stuff :)
 

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Jax20 said:
Thanks a lot for this. Seems like every JJ Abrams film needs a couple of logic ajustements.
Are you considering a new version with the upcoming deleted scenes? (In case they turn out to be interesting)
The only thing missing here is the destuction of the "cute" Rey moments that tried to pass for humor and ended up annoying me to no end.
Just 3 moments
The "witty" banter during the Tie Chase
The "I fixed the hyperdrive" moment
The "Look, a wall of fur" while going to look for Luke.
If those 3 were obliterated out of existence I would be SO happy.

It's because of editors and fans like you and the others that flawed movies become enjoyable.

Not the goal of this edit. This is only to put the Hosnian system's destruction at the end of the movie.

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As I've been working my way through this edit I believe I found a visual continuity error. At the 1:26:28 mark, Kylo is masked, when he was just seconds ago unmasked, and then he returns to being unmasked moments later. If some compositing is needed I could work on that scene for you. The editing before and beyond is almost unnoticeable. Top notch stuff :)

Indeed I noticed some of those during the Snoke scenes! Some shots Kylo has a cowl on, some he doesn't.
 

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Daxtreme said:
DigModiFicaTion said:
As I've been working my way through this edit I believe I found a visual continuity error. At the 1:26:28 mark, Kylo is masked, when he was just seconds ago unmasked, and then he returns to being unmasked moments later. If some compositing is needed I could work on that scene for you. The editing before and beyond is almost unnoticeable. Top notch stuff :)

Indeed I noticed some of those during the Snoke scenes! Some shots Kylo has a cowl on, some he doesn't.

Daxtreme, just so you know, Hal 9000 is aware of this discontinuity in his edit...and he's now replied to DigModiFicaTion about this issue on his 'TFA - A Gentle Restructure'  thread over at OriginalTrilogy(.)com.  Here's what he said about it there - 

The discontinuity between hooded and unmasked Ren in that scene is known.  However, it would require a very dedicated, thorough, and competent person putting in a lot of time to totally fix it.  If one such lunatic lurks here, be my guest.  This scene is the one thing that bugs me about this implementation of the edit's idea.

Despite this, I assume Hal went ahead with this particular re-arrangement of the various 'Snoke/Kylo/Hux' shots, because this was his preferred way of how their conversations should flow now.  I haven't seen his final edit yet, but I think the clips that he previewed on this page of the 'Star Wars-The Force Awakens Fan Edit Ideas'  thread showed the way he's ended up doing them, along with the problems involved - https://forums.fanedit.org/showthread.php?tid=12924&page=23  

DigModiFicaTion's new 'Snoke' scenes for his 'Specters Of The Past (Prolonged Reveal)'  edit are quite different from the original too...even though he's kept the Starkiller weapon firing in the movie where it currently is.  He's come up with an excellent way to keep Kylo's helmet 'firmly on' throughout these scenes...apart from a single shot where his hood is suddenly off again - but it's not too obvious.  (And I absolutely love his more 'holographic'-looking Snoke, by the way!) 

However, others who intend to do a 'Starkiller firing after Han's death' -type edit eventually, could re-cut the 'Snoke' shots differently to Hal in certain ways - for instance, the early edit by a guy called 'Noodle_Finger' has different 'Snoke' scene re-arrangements to Hal's version...but there is still a single shot included where Kylo's hood is suddenly off again.  However, he did manage to 'paste' Kylo's face over the mask during one of the shots he wanted to use...and it turned out quite well.

Sadly, I don't think 'Noodle_Finger's particular TFA edit got as much exposure as it deserved at the time, and I don't recall him doing a dedicated thread about it here or over at the OT(.)com site either.  But if anyone wishes to check it out, just PM me for details.
 

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Thanks imperial fighter for your kind words about the snoke hologram!

Hal is right, it would take a lunatic to composite those shots. I felt like a lunatic when I had to do 34 frames in my own edit to place his helmet and hood "firmly on" after the interrogation scene.

I think he could get away with reusing a few scenes with some minor cropping though.
 

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DigModiFicaTion said:
Hal is right, it would take a lunatic to composite those shots. I felt like a lunatic when I had to do 34 frames in my own edit to place his helmet and hood "firmly on" after the interrogation scene.

I think he could get away with reusing a few scenes with some minor cropping though.

Just for fun, I'm intending to keep Kylo's helmet 'firmly on' throughout the 'Snoke' scenes for myself too.

But luckily for me, there's just enough  existing shots in these scenes to be able to include the specific dialogue I want, without  his hood coming off, and without  having to manipulate any of the shots whatsoever.  :p
 

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ImperialFighter said:
DigModiFicaTion said:
Hal is right, it would take a lunatic to composite those shots. I felt like a lunatic when I had to do 34 frames in my own edit to place his helmet and hood "firmly on" after the interrogation scene.

I think he could get away with reusing a few scenes with some minor cropping though.

Just for fun, I'm intending to keep Kylo's helmet 'firmly on' throughout the 'Snoke' scenes for myself too.

But luckily for me, there's just enough  existing shots in these scenes to be able to include the specific dialogue I want, without  his hood coming off, and without  having to manipulate any of the shots whatsoever.  :p


I read somewhere on this site that the Reveal of Rens face should be when he reveals himself to Han at the end of the film...it would add more suspense to the film.
 
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