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Star Wars Episode II - Army of the Republic

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"…the shroud of the Dark Side has fallen…"


GENERAL INFO


  • Original Release Date: 2002
  • Original Running Time: 142 mins
  • Fan Edit Running time 87 mins
  • Time cut: 58 mins
  • Time added 3 mins

BRIEF SYNOPSIS
As the Sith secretly plot the Republic's downfall, Anakin's fall to the Dark Side begins. Add in a believable romance, an uncomplicated story line, and a touch of humor; you now have an Episode II worth watching!

INTENTION
Episode II is probably the worst Star Wars movie ever made. It has terrible dialog, a terrible plot, terrible acting, and a confusing storyline. Can it be fixed? That is my intention, and while it can never be a great movie, I believe it is now very watchable.

The romance between Anakin and Padme has been completely overhauled, so that their relationship becomes a strong and believable one. Anakin's relationship with Obi-Wan is also repaired. Additionally, almost all complicated and/or confusing elements of the plot have been eliminated. Dooku is the sole villain throughout, and there is no reveal to the Jedi or the audience about a Sith Lord controlling the senate.

Finally, Jar-Jar screen time, as well as politics, have been stripped to the absolute minimum. Oh, and no Chosen One.

SPECIAL THANKS

  • L8wrtr - for his numerous encouraging comments and suggestions throughout, especially with the Obi-Wan/Jango scene; and, for providing the best way of handling the droid factory scene.
  • wabid, emanswfan, Solid11 - my terrific work print team who provided many valuable suggestions, without which this edit would never be as polished as it is.
  • The Phantom Editor - for providing the inspiration of how to keep the "kiss" in the movie.

RELEASE DETAILS

  • AVCHD (DVD-9) 1080p
  • MP4 1080p (equivalent to iTunes 1080p)
  • NTSC DVD-5 Anamorphic SD

SPECIAL FEATURES

  • All releases have embedded chapter markers, though there is no chapter menu (sorry!)
  • The optical disc releases also have 2 fan-edited "deleted" scenes

EDITING DETAILS
Generally speaking, I made A LOT of edits. The biggest editing choices involved a complete re-arrangement of the story's structure. I have moved what used to be a "reveal" scene at the end of the movie to the beginning, making it establish firmly for the audience who the bad guys are. Count Dooku now only has one name throughout the movie (gone is any mention of Lord Tyrannus), and throughout the movie it is now easy to pin mysterious/confusing plot elements to him. The red-herring of Sifo-Dyas is also gone, as all mention of him has been erased.

The story now has two threads: first, Obi-Wan's quest to track down the bounty hunter; since we know Count Dooku is behind the assassination attempt, we can instead focus on the mystery slowly unfold before Obi-Wan's eyes. Second, the romance between Anakin and Padme. Instead of the creepy whiny obsessed stalker that Anakin originally portrayed, there is now no shred of evidence that Anakin has any hidden/prior feelings for Padme. Instead, there is a mutual attraction that naturally builds each step of the way. By the time the kiss happens, it should feel natural, and by re-scoring the scene (complete with extra birds chirping and rushing water) I have allowed the kiss to fade into what now can only be seen as the "morning after." What once might have been a creepy line ("Your presence soothes me") now is a gesture of true affection.

The original movie jumped around quite a lot; I have instead allowed portions of each storyline build a little longer (usually to some sort of mini-concluding event) before switching to the other. Perhaps the most important sequence that has been re-arranged is when Anakin searches/finds his mother. The original movie ordered the scenes like this:

  • Anakin's Mother dies / Anakin starts killing
  • Yoda/Mace scene with Yoda sensing Ani is in pain
  • Obi-Wan on Geonosis transmits a message to Anakin in non-realtime which R2 is receiving in the ship on Tattoine.
  • Anakin returns with his dead mother on his speeder
  • Anakin confesses to Padme his killing the Sand People, ending up crying in her arms
  • Shmi's funeral, interrupted by R2
  • Anakin/Padme relays the previously taped message to the Council

My sequencing allows the emotional moment started from Shmi's death to come to build to a natural conclusion:

  • Anakin's Mother dies / Anakin starts killing
  • Shmi's funeral (no R2 interruption)
  • Anakin confesses to Padme his killing the Sand People, ending up crying in her arms
  • -- (natural end to the emotional arc) --
  • …switch back to Geonosis where Obi-Wan discovers Dooku's plot
  • Obi-Wan on Geonosis transmits a message to Anakin in *real time*
  • Anakin/Padme relays the incoming message to the Council

Beyond the major re-ordering of scenes, I have taken great care to trim dialog throughout to improve relationships (Obi-Wan and Anakin especially), remove bad humor, improve the likability of Anakin, and generally excise politics to the bare minimum.

For more editing details, see the cut list. :)

CUTS AND ADDITIONS
- New Opening Crawl
- Moved Dooku and Sidious scene to be the first scene with modified dialog, introducing Dooku by name and implying a plot to kill Padme. Dooku is now only Count Dooku; there is no mention of Lord Tyrannus.
- Trimmed landing sequence of Padme's ship
- Removed dialog where Corde apologizes to Padme while she is dying
- Removed dialog where Padme says she shouldn't have come
- Removed political discussion from start of Palpatine's Office scene
- Removed Yoda's "warm feelings" line
- Removed Jedi "Intelligence" pointing to disgruntled spice miners
- Removed description of Count Dooku as "political idealist"
- Removed Mace saying Obi-Wan just returned from a border dispute, and Palpatine's "Do it for me, my lady" pleading/creepiness
- Removed Ani's "I haven't seen her for 10 years" line
- Removed Jar-Jar antics when greeting Obi and Ani at the door. Jar-Jar now only has a single line in the entire movie, which is introducing the Jedi.
- Removed Ani's "Grown more beautiful I mean" line, and Padme's lines about always thinking of Ani as a little boy. The exchange should now just feel like an awkward one, with equal amounts of flirting from both sides.
- Removed Ani "promising" to catch the assassin
- Modified Obi/Ani ensuing dialog to reduce Obi's insulting attitude towards Ani (no "must we go through this again," no calling Anakin a "young padawan learner," etc.)
- Removed Ani's pining for Padme to Jar-Jar (She didn't even notice me…) and Obi and their reactions
- Removed Obi's "let's check the security" line and the shot of Anakin walking away. It's a redundant line given the next scene we hear that Obi has just checked the security.
- Trimmed Jango's instructions to Zen (no excuses from Zen and no threats of no more second chances from Jango)
- Removed Ani's explanation why Padme covered the cameras (so he wouldn't be able to see her) and about Padme being "bait"
- Removed all political discussion between Ani and Obi
- Removed Ani wishing he could dream about Padme, and Obi's ensuing reaction about his oath to the Jedi Order and being mindful of his feelings.
- Removed R2D2 activating and failing to notice the poisonous worms
- Trimmed a lot of Obi's hanging from the probe scenes (no bumping into walls, no getting caught in traffic and being scolded, and other redundant shots)
- Trimmed the descent of Obi into Ani's speeder
- Removed discussion of Ani's Jedi abilities; we now go from "I couldn't find a speeder I really liked" directly to "There he is!"
- Trimmed speeder chase; removed entry into the weird electric area, and removed some extra shots of the speeders diving and flying around during the chase
- Removed Ani's dialog about wanting to catch the assassin; dialog is now Obi: "Where are you going? He went that way!" Ani:"This is a short cut, I think…"
- Removed insulting lines by Obi after "That was some shortcut Anakin." Now we go directly to Ani jumping out of the speeder and saying "If you'll excuse me"
- Shortened Ani's descent and landing on Zen's speeder, as well as his climbing up to finally use his light saber.
- Removed any sign or mention that Zen is a changeling
- Shortened foot chase after the speeder crashes
- Removed Ani saying "She" went into the club (It's awkward dialog since Obi continues saying "he")
- Shortened Ani's search in the club and shots of Zen stalking him
- Removed Ani's lines "Easy" and the one about "Jedi Business"
- Cropped out Zen turning into a changeling
- Removed Mace asking Ani to go see Palpatine
- Removed scene where Ani visits Palpatine
- Removed Padme bestowing her Senatorial powers to Jar-Jar
- Removed Ani whining/complaining about Obi-Wan, while Padme is packing
- Cut short the packing scene after Padme says "Don't try to grow up too fast." All creepiness from Anakin in this scene is thus removed.
- Removed Obi's instructions to Ani about not doing anything without checking in first
- Removed Padme's line about her "Jedi protector"
- Removed the (dumb) end dialog between Obi and the Captain about who is going to cause more trouble.
- Greatly shortened the Diner scene. No talking robot waitress, no discussions about droids, no talk about the cloners. The scene is stripped to the bare minimum in order to get the information that the dart is from Kamino.
- Removed Obi visiting the library scene (completely redundant, and the Librarian is just too annoying)
- Removed Obi saying "hello" back to the Padawans (it just sounded too hollow/insincere)
- Removed Obi/Yoda/Mace scene (e.g., no mention of the chosen one in the movie)
- Added deleted scene with Obi/Mace where Obi departs for Kamino, with the following changes:
* Obi's line "Do you think a Jedi could have erased those files" becomes "Do you think Count Dooku could have erased those files"
* Removed discussion about Ani being too old to have been trained, as well as his feelings for Padme. Dialog now goes from Obi saying he is worried about his padawan being on his own to Mace responding that he must trust Ani will make the right decisions.
* Removed sequence of Obi's ship taking off and warping away
- Removed Padme/Ani scene while in transit to Naboo (creepy anakin come ons)
- Removed Padme/Ani scene after landing in Naboo discussing politics, and the scene where they visit the Queen
- Added scene where Ani/Padme visit her home, with the following changes:
* Removed the mother's extra lines after saying she was so worried ("I know I know, I had to say it, now it's over")
* Removed discussion of Ani being her boyfriend, and the ensuing discussion of whether she is in danger
* Removed Padme saying Ani is "just a boy" and the ensuing discussion of how he feels about her
- On Kamino, removed all mention of Sifo-Dyas and the clones being for the "Republic." Obi is now simply told to tell "The Jedi Council" that the army will be on time and it is a clone army. This removes a complete red-herring that can only confuse the audience. Instead, it is now left to conjecture as to who ordered the army, and concluding that Dooku did it is certainly a valid one.
- Removed exchange about wanting to see the army and Obi saying "That's why I'm here"
- Removed some technical discussion about the clones (e.g., growth acceleration) and some shots of the clones learning and eating to maximize the impact of seeing the army fully dressed (trying to make them more storm-trooper like and less like normal people)
- Removed discussion about Jango's payment and his own clone for himself
- In the picnic scene, removed the beginning discussion about Padme's "dreamy" boyfriend and the bad flirting about liking politicians. The scene now starts with Anakin saying "I don't think the system works."
- In the meadow scene, shortened Padme's long run to the fallen Ani, and shortened the rolling around on the ground and gazing at each other.
- In the scene where Obi meets Jango, removed mention of Sifo-Dyas as well as Lord Tyrannus. The scene is now cut to be much more confrontational between the two, with much less dialog prior to Jango saying "Do you like your Army?"
- When Obi reports back to Yoda/Mace, removed mention of Sifo-Dyas.
- Removed Mace saying they should report to the Senate about their diminished powers, as well as Yoda's response.
- In the Jango vs Obi fight, removed all shots of Boba in the ship, and removed his firing shots at Obi. Basically Boba is now a non-presence.
- Removed shots of Jango looking down for Obi after releasing the rope
- Quickened the speed with which Obi force-opens the door
- Removed final shot of Obi with his light saber as Jango flies away.
- Removed fireside scene between Ani and Padme (yuck!!)
- In the balcony scene, removed most of the dialog (Ani does not speak at all)
- The balcony scene now ends during the kiss, with no break-away by Padme. This required rescoring so that the music doesn't abruptly stop.
- Removed scene of seeing Anakin having a nightmare
- Removed Anakin's line calling Padme a senator
- Removed Anakin's final line after Padme says she'll go with him, apologizing. Due to these cuts, this scene was rescored as well, to ensure the star wars theme music played fully.
- Trimmed Ani/Padme's arrival on Tattoine to minimize CGI background annoyances/sounds
- Trimmed initial discussion between Watto and Ani to jump right to Ani asking about Shmi.
- Removed Watto asking Ani to help him out since he is a Jedi.
- Removed Watto saying he can't believe he freed her and married her. He now just says he married her.
- Removed mention by C3P0 that Anakin is his maker
- Removed description by Lars about the Sandpeople being monsters
- Removed Lars talking about waiting for his leg to heal
- In Jango/Obi astroid field fight, removed all lines by Boba except his first one ("Dad, look!"). Also removed Jango saying he just doesn't give up.
- Shortened the astroid field fight.
- Obi now releases the canisters on his own accord instead of asking R4 to prepare and then do it.
- Removed Boba laughing
- Removed Jango's flyby on the surface
- Removed Obi's flyby of Federation ships (and mention of them to R4). They just don't look like ships and so it seemed like a strange statement.
- At the Sandpeople's camp, removed the dogs fighting over a bone and the sounds they make as Ani makes his way to the tent
- Shortened time it takes for Ani to free Shmi from the bonds
- Trimmed dialog between Ani and Shmi
- Removed Shmi's dying "Aaahhhhh" sound (too much like monty python…)
- Removed Yoda/Mace scene where Yoda senses Ani is in pain and there is voiceover from Qui-Gon
- Removed scene where Ani returns to the homestead with his mother on the bike.
- In the funeral scene, removed the two other graves; while we can guess that one is Lars' prior wife, it is a mystery never explained, and there is no need for them.
- Removed Lars' opening eulogy. Now only Anakin speaks.
- Removed Ani's "so much" after saying "I miss you"
- Removed R2D2's arrival and ensuing dialog. Scene ends after Anakin says "I miss you."
- In the garage scene, removed Ani's lines "Why'd she have to die" and "I know I could have saved her!"
- Removed Ani's freak-out, throwing stuff and blaming Obi-Wan for everything
- Removed Ani talking about the sand people being animals, being slaughtered like animals, and him killing women and children
- On geonosis, removed the dialog between the Viceroy and Dooku. The subplot that the Viceroy wants to have Padme killed is no longer. Instead, Dooku was behind the assassination attempt (which we learned in the opening scene). It was strange that the Viceroy waited 10 years to finally want her assassinated anyway.
- Removed mention of other organizations other than the "Federation" (which is no longer the "Trade" Federation, in line with my episode I edit)
- Removed the round-table discussion about pledging armies to Dooku
- When Obi reports back to the Council, removed his beginning discussion with R4 (or to himself?) about his antenna problems and wondering why Ani went to Tattoine.
- Re-ordered the scenes so that Obi-Wan's report is real-time instead of tape-delayed
- Obi reports that Count Dooku is behind the assassination attempts instead of the Viceroy
- Obi only mentions the "Federation" and no other group pledging their armies to Dooku.
- Removed Council dialog prior to Mace saying "Anakin" and giving him instructions
- Removed Ani saying Obi-Wan might be dead
- Removed an especially pouty look on Ani's face when talking about his strict orders
- Back at the Council, removed dialog/debate about whether to create an army. The scene now starts with "This is a crisis."
- Removed mention or need for a Senator to propose the extra powers for the Chancellor, and "If only senator amidala were here…"
- Removed Jar-Jar speaking to the Senate.
- Removed the first part of Palpatine's speech about loving democracy.
- Removed Yoda's mention about the clone army being for the Republic. (so that one can conjecture that Dooku ordered the army for the separatists)
- Removed Dooku/Obi-Wan interrogation scene, keeping Palpatine's true identity still a secret (at least explicitly)
- When landing on Geonosis, removed Ani saying "I've given up arguing with you" (when did he start? sounds like a Han Solo
- Removed C3P0/R2D2 dialog about 3P0 being in charge
- Removed the droids leaving the ship, and all of their future appearances until the marriage scene.
- In the droid factory, Anakin now uses the force to save Padme.
- Shortened the length of time Anakin's arm is trapped by the machine
- Removed dialog after Padme says "I love you" about them agreeing not to fall in love, blah blah blah
- In the arena, removed all of the talking by the leader of Geonosis (I dislike weird alien sounds)
- Basically, the entire arena scene, along with the arrival of the Jedi and then the clones is completely re-worked. There are too many changes to list. The intent was to make it flow much better. Highlights of big changes are:
* No R2D2/C3P0
* No scenes with the Viceroy's reactions about what Padme is doing
* Jango does not die. The attack by the Reek on Obi/Mace is cut. Thus we never see Jango and Boba again after Jango sprays fire at Mace.
- Removed scene where Ani instructs the pilot where to shoot the structure and Obi's "Good call my padawan"
- Removed first "war room" scene with Dooku
- Shortened second "war room" scene, removing the Geonosis leader's dialog as well as some of Dooku's.
- Changed Dooku's final line to be "I must take the plans to my master"
- Removed Yoda instructing the general how to take down the federation star ship
- When they see Dooku, Removed Ani saying "Shoot him down!" and "follow him!" (just too whiny sounding)
- When Padme falls from the ship, greatly trimmed the dialog between Ani and Obi to make Ani less whiny. No talk about being expelled from the Jedi Order and "I don't care!"
- When Padme wakes up, trimmed the dialog so that she doesn't say we need to get to that hangar (how would she know that they are going to a hangar?). Also removed the awkward running in the sand.
- When Obi and Ani confront Dooku, removed Anakin's line about paying for all the Jedi Dooku killed.
- The padme waking up scene was moved prior to the fighting so the fight scene wouldn't be interrupted
- When Dooku fights Yoda, removed all of Yoda's grunting noises.
- Removed Obi talking about what Dooku said about the Sith and the Senate (since he didn't say it in this version)
- Changed Yoda's final line to remove the word "clone." Now he says "Begun the war has." I dislike calling it the "clone war" as it seems like a blatant pitch for the clone war franchise.
- Removed the shots of Palpatine looking over the balcony at the army. No need to press the issue about him being the emperor. :)

TRAILER
 

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For links before the DLC files show up, you can PM me.
 

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Return of the Sith was awesome. Man, I can't wait to see this one.
 

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Just watched Seciors' Star Wars Episode II - Army of the Republic, and despite being a huge improvement over my least favorite movie of all time, there are many elements that keep this edit from becoming great. But more on that later.

Audio/Video Quality - Outstanding dude! One of the greatest things about this edit! 10/10

Visual Editing - Good for the most part. There are a few jarring cuts, especially during the first ten minutes, but it didn't detract from the film. 9/10

Audio Editing - Like Return of the Sith, there are many sketchy audio crossfades, but again it didn't hamper my enjoyment of the edit. Dooku's new line at the beginning sounded like something straight out of the Ridiculous Menace, and was a bit too obvious. But overall everyone sounded great though. 8/10

Narrative - Seciors is a fantastic storyteller, but a few things about this edit bugged me:
1. Anakin and Palpatine have no scenes together, which is a problem because it sets up their father/son relationship.
2. The horrid youngling training scene is kept with minimal editing. What the hell man? I know it's essential to the plot, but there must have been some way you could have skipped this scene.
3. Both of Obi Wan's action scenes with Jango Fett are intact. Wouldn't it have been better to cut one of them, or maybe even both? They're poorly choreographed, ridiculous, cartoonish, and ultimately serve no purpose to the story other than to squeeze in lame action and show off the sound and digital effects.
4. The short scene of Padme waking up is unnecessary and distracts from the chase. There's no reason why this should be here.
5. The lightsaber fight with Yoda and Dooku is still included. It's pointless, meaningless, and just plain dumb. Every fanedit of AOTC should remove this scene, it hurts Yoda's character.

Still, there is a bunch of great things about this edit. Your editing of the Anaking and Padme romance is hands down the best I've ever seen. Brilliant! The subplot about Anakin's mother is perfectly rearranged for a more powerful sequence of events, and I loved the added Imperial March music. Finally, Anakin is no longer a creepy monster! The removal of that Sifo Dyas guy works well, and Army of the Republic is generally less convoluted than the original film. 7/10

Enjoyment - I hate this goddamned film to death, and no matter what no editor can fix it (Unless the entire community bands together and edits the film as a group). This was a valiant effort by Seciors to make it a better film, but L8wrtr's and Q2's edits are still the gold standard. 7/10

Overall rating - 8/10
 

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First, thank you for watching my edit and providing your detailed feedback! I do appreciate it.

BladeRunner391 said:
Narrative - Seciors is a fantastic storyteller, but a few things about this edit bugged me:
1. Anakin and Palpatine have no scenes together, which is a problem because it sets up their father/son relationship.
This is my point, though, for my interpretation of the PT/OT. I am not setting up any father/son relationship with Palptaine and Anakin, on purpose.
2. The horrid youngling training scene is kept with minimal editing. What the hell man? I know it's essential to the plot, but there must have been some way you could have skipped this scene.
I'm sorry you find it "horrid" but I feel it an important scene to keep in the overall picture (PT+OT). I get plenty of negative feedback for doing this, but the links to the OT are very strong (yoda as a teacher, the method by which he teaches the younglings) and for this episode, the reveal that the archive has been erased by a Jedi. I appreciate your opinion, but this in mine. :)
3. Both of Obi Wan's action scenes with Jango Fett are intact. Wouldn't it have been better to cut one of them, or maybe even both? They're poorly choreographed, ridiculous, cartoonish, and ultimately serve no purpose to the story other than to squeeze in lame action and show off the sound and digital effects.
Well, I actually don't think they are that bad. So I am ok to agree to disagree. :)
4. The short scene of Padme waking up is unnecessary and distracts from the chase. There's no reason why this should be here.
I felt it is a spoof on a classic method from cinema (of the past), which is why I kept it. If you laughed, I think that's the point.
5. The lightsaber fight with Yoda and Dooku is still included. It's pointless, meaningless, and just plain dumb. Every fanedit of AOTC should remove this scene, it hurts Yoda's character.
I know this is very unpopular for people on this site, but this is something I cannot budge on. All of my kids love the scene. I watched the Star Wars OT as a kid, and would never want to miss a light saber duel. I truly think people on this site miss the forest for the trees sometimes. Why does it hurt Yoda's character to have a light saber duel? It has become the collective opinion by some, I guess...but I truly believe that non-FE audiences do not agree. Again, this is a point we have to again agree to disagree. :)
 

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Ah yes, another excellent example of a fanedit.org maxim:

Every person has their own individual opinions of things they like/dislike/hate-with-a-passion in the Star Wars prequels and it is damn near impossible to make a 100% "acceptable" version for everybody.
 

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Thanks Neglify...it's hard not to feel a bit deflated though...I really worked hard on my audio/visual transitions. I'm ok with disagreements regarding narrative decisions, but for the technical side, well, it's just disappointing to hear. :-(
 

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I know what you mean. I always refer back to Jorge The Wise in times like that.

Remixed by Jorge said:
1st RULE OF FANEDITING:
YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE.


...

4th RULE OF FANEDITING:
IF THEY DIDN'T LIKE THIS ONE, I'LL WOW THEM WITH THE NEXT ONE.

Life too short and no one gets paid for these editing experiments.
Start a new project. Your revenue stream will be untouched. I promise.
 

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seciors said:
Thanks Neglify...it's hard not to feel a bit deflated though...I really worked hard on my audio/visual transitions. I'm ok with disagreements regarding narrative decisions, but for the technical side, well, it's just disappointing to hear. :-(

The audio was fine man! There was just a few spots that could use some work, but you did a great job!
 

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Honestly, I can take or leave the Yoda fight scene. I understand people's gripes with it, but thinking back to seeing it for the first time at 10 years old, it was one of the few things about ATOC that I actually liked. Finally got to see Yoda as the "great warrior" Empire built him up as. Can't wait to see how the Dooku aspect of this edit plays out. :)
 

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Congratulations on finishing this! With my crazy/hectic schedule I have no idea when/how I'm going to make time for this, but it's on my short list. I love that you tried some bold narrative changes. And I cannot stress enough what Neglify said, edit for yourself, especially when editing Star Wars, with so many edits already available the only reason to take it on now is because one of the existing ones doesn't suite your needs. Releasing it just makes it available to others that may be seeking the same things as you.
 

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That audio comment wounded two of us.

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Now there are two of us!
 

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Thanks for all the supporting comments everyone.

I suppose this comment is what got me down (emphasis mine):
Audio Editing - Like Return of the Sith, there are many sketchy audio crossfades

I know where one crossfade exists that might be "obvious," but not "many." I wonder if this is a case of knowing the movie too well -- those of us who do can easily tell where edits have occurred. I'm hoping that's the case, because I got some extensive feedback during the workprint stage and very few were about audio cross-fades. The ones mentioned I was able to address (except for the aforementioned single one, which I improved but didn't completely "fix").

Regarding the new Dooku line, some people will obviously notice it is not the original line, some people will barely notice (I think). I do think calling it "something straight out of the Ridiculous Menace" was a bit harsh though.

As for narrative choices, I am completely fine with people disagreeing with them. L8 and Q2 (and most other edits) have very different approaches to the PT than I do, and I understand it is a subjective matter regarding which of our approaches someone is going to "take to." I know I already have a following based on Return of the Sith, and so it's fine that BladeRunner prefers L8/Q2's approach(s). Like I explained in my earlier response, I have well thought-out reasons for including the scenes that I do, and I include many scenes that most editors don't (as well as excise many that they do...after all, my running time is only 87 minutes...)
 

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Nic Stiz said:
Honestly, I can take or leave the Yoda fight scene. I understand people's gripes with it, but thinking back to seeing it for the first time at 10 years old, it was one of the few things about ATOC that I actually liked. Finally got to see Yoda as the "great warrior" Empire built him up as.

I just want to add for those that hate the scene, I have made it slightly more palatable by removing all of Yoda's "womens tennis" grunting noises... :p

Also, yoda only draws his weapon after dooku draws his... well, i'm done justifying the inclusion! :)
 

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seciors said:
Thanks for all the supporting comments everyone.

I suppose this comment is what got me down (emphasis mine):

Regarding the new Dooku line, some people will obviously notice it is not the original line, some people will barely notice (I think). I do think calling it "something straight out of the Ridiculous Menace" was a bit harsh though.

Sorry dude, I didn't mean to be so harsh and rude. I'm really sorry. :-(
 

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BladeRunner391 said:
Sorry dude, I didn't mean to be so harsh and rude. I'm really sorry. :-(

Seriously, don't worry about it. I need to grow a thicker skin, that's all. Like I said, I totally respect your own opinion and point of view. I'd actually love to know the places you found problematic (technical wise) in a PM. I am always trying to get better at this.
 

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BR, don't feel bad. Your review was positive and you're not known to write a negative review out of spite.

You must remember, reviews are based on one person's opinion. You can read through a lot of reviews of edits and see many cases of edits getting different reviews, some saying the technical aspects were perfect and others saying the technical aspects were flawed.

And seciors, really try your best not to dwell on any negative reviews.
 
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