ThrowgnCpr said:
Horrorgrind said:
Anyone here who has distributed or downloaded copyrighted material (fanedits) online isn't respecting copyright anyway. If someone is seeing that message, then they've already downloaded it. I seriously doubt that seeing a warning message by that point is going to make them stop the DVD. My FBI warning is meant to mimic/mock the ones found on old VHS tapes. Whether they have jurisdiction outside the US is irrelevant. It's obviously not meant to be taken seriously.
I disagree with you here. Even though we have recently been labeled as not in the right as far as fanediting goes, I think we need to stick by our original guidelines set forth by this website. You must own the original to view the fanedit. I put a warning like that at the beginning of a fanedit because I seriously feel that the viewer should own the original film. Which Is why I totally agree with JasonN from another post:
JasonN said:
Horrorgrind said:
Here's the thing. My torrent is clearly labeled as "The Horrorgrind Cut" and "Fanedit" in the title and description, a list of changes, the original and new runtimes, and this message posted at the top in red text:
WARNING: This is a fanedit. It is my take on a classic film, and has been edited heavily. My intention is not to improve the film, but to shorten it and present it differently than it was originally intended. If you can't enjoy it for what it is, don't bother commenting. If you're looking for the full film, download this torrent instead: (link to full film torrent)
And here's where I have a HUGE problem: one of the primary rules with watching or owning a fanedit/s is that you have to physically own the original film (via DVD, VHS, Laserdisc, ect.). With that message where you're linking in your edit's info to a torrent of a film's digital copy, you are promoting film piracy and linking that to your own fanedited works and fanediting in general.
I agree entirely. And to put it in simple terms; RE FBI WARNING: "It's obviously not meant to be taken seriously" but I'm sure the faneditors who put in the fan disclaimer do want it to be taken seriously. In any case I don't mean to single anyone out here.
Just because the MPAA currently does not see fanediting as legal does not mean that we should go full pirate. I think taking a firm stance with our original rules and guidelines is a good solid idea. I for one will NEVER post a link to a pirated copy of a movie anywhere, particularly with my fanedit information.
On credit-cards there is what's called a "smartcard" chip that's widely used in America and in the UK, but which isn't used in Australia. It isn't used for one main reason: the Credit Card issuer needs to bear responsibility for that card's unauthorised use. In the UK and America people have successfully modified their EFTPOS machines to copy the magnetic strip from the smart-card reader onto a blank card, which then allows them to use their copied Credit Card. This copy is made using the original EFTPOS machine that's used to charge the card by the issuer as the reader!
So do you know what they did in Australia? Last year they introduced "Pen or Pin" which encourages Credit Card users to enter a pin instead of their signature. Which is why anytime a customer uses their credit card, I make them sign unless they specifically ask to enter a pin. I flat-out refuse to ask. Because I know the customer has more rights when they sign - you see it's "their" responsibility to keep their PIN secret, however a forged signature is not their responsibility; meaning they retain all their rights surrounding unauthorised use when they sign - and unknowingly give up their rights when they enter a PIN!
But here's where the legalities lie - if we talking about the law, and what's strictly legal; it's illegal to use any card not belonging to you, even with the consent of the card holder (well except business cards that is). So IF someone gives me their card, and asks me to go down to the ATM and withdraw their money for them, I would do it - though it is against the law. That doesn't change the fact that just because I'm willing to break that law, I'm not going to rob a bank, or commit credit-card-fraud.
So again, obviously, I'm agreeing with what you just said.
JasonN said:
Backup mentality has absolutely nothing to do with film piracy, end of story. If you really want to have a digital backup of a film you own, then make it YOURSELF and keep it to YOURSELF - by making a digital copy of a film's original version freely available to the entire internet to download and watch, you are allowing and promoting film piracy.
Yeah that's pretty much it - although that doesn't mean creating a DVD back-up is even legal either, which means that consumers may simply have the choice of "a. illegally creating their own back-up" or "b. illegally downloading a pre-made back-up". So really there's no legally compelling reason to make it yourself if you want to download it and you own it.