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Interstellar: The Demise

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That said I'm open for suggestions. It's the only scene that I really struggled with in the entire cut. Because it's the only way to get Cooper to Nasa. That said I don't think him using coordinates to get to a secret location is strange.
 
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"Why do they use a map in the original instead of just using google maps?"

He uses a map in the original because he used a map in the original. Remember: He's bootstrapping his current reality in the tesseract by doing exactly what he already did, which is sending latitude and longitude in binary; coordinates he can use to pinpoint NASA's location on a map he already knows he has in his house because he's already yadda yadda yadda. Closed time loops are funky. Also, there's no internet in the future. They barely have enough food. Ain't nobody got time for porn.

Anyways, I'm thinking about this wrong. If your cut won't have any timey-wimey stuff at all, I suppose it doesn't much matter what he's doing with the map, but I do think we should still expect the characters move around and interact with objects in a logical way. The map doesn't have to have anything to do with finding NASA, but there should be some explanation for it in the scene, in my opinion. Of course it doesn't help Nolan compressed this whole bit down to nine seconds. You don't have much to work with.

I promise I'm not trying to be difficult. Just challenging. :)
 

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"Why do they use a map in the original instead of just using google maps?"

He uses a map in the original because he used a map in the original. Remember: He's bootstrapping his current reality in the tesseract by doing exactly what he already did, which is sending latitude and longitude in binary; coordinates he can use to pinpoint NASA's location on a map he already knows he has in his house because he's already yadda yadda yadda. Closed time loops are funky. Also, there's no internet in the future. They barely have enough food. Ain't nobody got time for porn.

Anyways, I'm thinking about this wrong. If your cut won't have any timey-wimey stuff at all, I suppose it doesn't much matter what he's doing with the map, but I do think we should still expect the characters move around and interact with objects in a logical way. The map doesn't have to have anything to do with finding NASA, but there should be some explanation for it in the scene, in my opinion. Of course it doesn't help Nolan compressed this whole bit down to nine seconds. You don't have much to work with.

I promise I'm not trying to be difficult. Just challenging. :)

Oh I enjoy the feedback it has already let to an improved result. I'm not sure if there is no internet in the future tbh lol. If they can send messages to Cooper in other SOLAR SYSTEMS IN SPACE I'm fairly certain they can use google maps on earth. :p

The map doesn't have to have anything to do with finding NASA, but there should be some explanation for it in the scene, in my opinion. <- That's sort of covered by keeping the interrogation with the robot. The robot asks WHERE DID YOU GET THE COORDINATES and Cooper mentions these robots being irratic. Then Cooper tells female dr Brand that they can leave and he knows nothing about this place. Then she turns around and says: 'Yes you do.' Implying she knows her father invited him.

I removed ANY mention of them being unwelcome at Nasa, apart from the Robot which is then explained by being not reliable by Cooper himself.

Since it's impossible to litterally have the message be explained to the audience I wanted the daughter to function as the audience's surrogate: She also wants to know what the hell this message was and why her father is so eager to leave. And then it's explained at Nasa itself with male dr Brand explaining public opinion means they can't really be open about what they're doing yadeeya. I think giving coordinates to Cooper is probably the best way to find a secret base, since it won't show on any maps.

It's not perfect, but to be honest it STILL makes more sense than dr Brand NOT inviting Cooper at all despite litterally saying nasa needs him. Which he does in my cut.
 
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Question. Would it be more clear if I add another voice over for dr Brand where he says: 'we need a pilot and they choose coper.' It would kind of explain why his daughter is so excited. Also I wish I could change her red shirt into a blue one when she is standing outside for continuity but I have not the skill. lol

Edit: turns out I do have this skill. Her shirt is now blue

I will skip the sitting on the floor bit completely. I lose the explanation for the grandfather being gone but it's not really needed I guess. He can just be out.
 
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Congrats on getting this out (saw it pop up on the front page). Still really impressed how quickly you went from concept to execution.
 

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Congrats on getting this out (saw it pop up on the front page). Still really impressed how quickly you went from concept to execution.
Trust me it's not as impressive as you think. I've spend HOOOOURS on this. I just get obsessed which is why it appears to go quickly.
 

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The colour change on the shirt was really well done. How did you do that? Did you mask every frame, or did you use some kind of constrained colour adjustment (ie. limited to that shade of brown)?
 

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The colour change on the shirt was really well done. How did you do that? Did you mask every frame, or did you use some kind of constrained colour adjustment (ie. limited to that shade of brown)?
Frame by frame masking to be honest! And it was indeed a simple hue change. I first let premiere handle it and then I would manually fine tune the areas to match the outlines of the shirt. It was all in all an hours work maybe?
 

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Was premiere doing some automated tracking? She moves so much every frame would be a keyframe...
 

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Was premiere doing some automated tracking? She moves so much every frame would be a keyframe...

A little, and then just adjust that manually after the fact to make it more precise. So yes I did have to manually perfect every frame. :)
 

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Soooo those of you interested in my voice acting skills will be pleased to know that I will be heard as one of the farm hands when Cooper fixes the harvester lol. Went full 'old man red neck mode' for this one.
 

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Soooo those of you interested in my voice acting skills will be pleased to know that I will be heard as one of the farm hands when Cooper fixes the harvester lol. Went full 'old man red neck mode' for this one.
So my fiancé watched the edit and had NO idea this was me so I guess that acting school paid off lmao. It also means the audio fits the scene well enough to fool her into thinking it was part of the original so yay.
 

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So doing this made me realise I could actually make a cut that keeps the original ending but takes away all the paradoxes.

Make the future humans undefined creatures (aliens) will basically fix the survival paradox and considering I already got Cooper to go to NASA by invitation removed that paradox. It would basically be a no-paradox cut. would there be interest in this?
 

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So doing this made me realise I could actually make a cut that keeps the original ending but takes away all the paradoxes.

Make the future humans undefined creatures (aliens) will basically fix the survival paradox and considering I already got Cooper to go to NASA by invitation removed that paradox. It would basically be a no-paradox cut. would there be interest in this?
I'd be interested. I haven't watched the original movie in years, so I completely forgot that the aliens who built the wormhole were actually future humans until I saw it in your changelist. Making them actual aliens would both streamline the ending significantly, and bring the movie in line with how I remember it.
 

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I'd be interested. I haven't watched the original movie in years, so I completely forgot that the aliens who built the wormhole were actually future humans until I saw it in your changelist. Making them actual aliens would both streamline the ending significantly, and bring the movie in line with how I remember it.

Yeah it's kind of silly and actually makes you wonder why future humans would even mess with the past. Like, assuming a small part of humanity somehow made it it makes it weird to think that in 1 billion years time these humans would go back to this point in time lol.
 

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To Cooper they are 'future" humans inasmuch as it will be another X million years before they MacGuffin their way past the constraints of our local universe and reach a frame of reference where the entire space-time loaf is exposed to them. It's tempting to then ask, why would they go "back" and start pulling strings, but there is no "back" from that vantage point, temporally speaking. They don't need to bootstrap their own existence because they already bootstrapped their own existence, otherwise they wouldn't be where they are. It's supposed to hurt your brain, but in in a good way. :)
 

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To Cooper they are 'future" humans inasmuch as it will be another X million years before they MacGuffin their way past the constraints of our local universe and reach a frame of reference where the entire space-time loaf is exposed to them. It's tempting to then ask, why would they go "back" and start pulling strings, but there is no "back" from that vantage point, temporally speaking. They don't need to bootstrap their own existence because they already bootstrapped their own existence, otherwise they wouldn't be where they are. It's supposed to hurt your brain, but in in a good way. :)

Is creates other questions such as: if humanity survived ANYWAY why go back at all?

The movie should have gone the space odyssey route and just made them mysterious beings. Not having cooper litterally say: 'They're us.'
 

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They didn't go back. There is no "back".
 

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They didn't go back. There is no "back".

Problem is humanity has no future without them. And they have no future without humanity. It's a paradox. No clever wordplay will not make it a paradox.

Humanity needs future humans wormhole to survive. Which means humanity survived without a wormhole completely nullifying the reason the story even exists.
 
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