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IJ - Indiana Jones

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So this happened...Ingruber and HF together. I believe this is the photo he referred to in (IIRC) the Schmoes Know video. It's currently his profile pic on FB...can you blame him?

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ETA: And here's a video he posted that features HF talking about him as well as a second photo, this time without HF wearing glasses.

ETA 2: Here's a quick screencap of the second photo:

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OK, not my best work ever, but not bad for the amount of time I spent on it. Since Pratt has already had his Photoshop, I figured it was only fair for Ingruber to have his:

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I wouldn't necessarily buy him (yet) as post-LC Indy, especially since he's about 15 years too young for how old Indy was at that point (and 20+ years too young for how old HF was), but I still maintain that he could make an excellent bridge between 21 year-old Indy as we saw him in The Scandal of 1920 and 36 year-old Indy as we saw him in ToD, especially if he had HF to advise him. I don't even think he'd need to do the voice, necessarily, since his natural voice has elements to it that are similar enough to HF, River Phoenix, and Flanery simultaneously.
 

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I agree with you but I still think Star Wars needs him more than the "Indy franchise".
Han Solo needs Ingruber, Indiana Jones can live with an actor who do not look 100% like Ford.
 

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Oh, I agree that if young Han is happening (and it is), it needs to be him. Plus, I'm sure the idea of getting the chance to act a Kasdan-penned screenplay has to be tremendously appealing to any actor -- and if it's anywhere near as good as Kasdan's glory days, it's the kind of screenplay that could make an actor's career, especially someone who is still such a relative unknown as Ingruber. Still, if they're going to do Indy too at some point, it would be nice to have that kind of continuity as well...
 

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Well, it's official. Indy 5 is a go, with both Harrison Ford and Steven Spielberg returning.

http://comicbook.com/2016/03/15/disney-announces-new-indiana-jones-for-2019-release-with-spielbe/

Talk about development on the film has been going on for years. What makes this moment different and newsworthy is that Disney has actually set a release date (Jul. 19, 2019).

Notably, neither George Lucas nor Shia Lebouf are mentioned as being welcomed back.

Interestingly, there's no word on having hired a scriptwriter yet. They probably have at least the basic concept decided upon, although they're keeping quiet about it.

This is the rare case where I thought that the more interesting material was not in moving forward, but in having a younger actor play the role, a la James Bond. Also, I thought a new director could bring a fresh eye to the material. Still, Harrison Ford was the best thing about Force Awakens, so I'll try to keep an open mind.
 

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I'm pleased. Now let's hope they'll go for a less action, more archeologist / sherlock Holmes approach.
I don't want Harrison to be injured anymore!
And I'd like a serious movie to close the "Indy Ford years" in a classy manner. When I say serious I don't mean a real scary and dark movie. Indy always been fun and it should stay that way. But a more Lovecraftian story would be welcomed to me. (in two parts movies shot at once if possible.)
 

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^ Because Crystal Skull made almost $800m worldwide? I know you're posting rhetorically, and that you know full well why, but we all knew this was in the cards when Disney bought Lucasfilm and announced a Star Wars movie per year. T'was only a matter of time, and they'll almost certainly keep making 'em even if this is Ford's curtain call. Indeed, if you paid to see The Force Awakens, you voted for this announcement with your own money. ;-)

Personally, I'd rather watch one more Indy/Ford movie from Steven "Bridge of Spies" Spielberg, made more or less without Lucas' involvement, than I want to see JJ "Into Darkness" Abrams make a RotJ sequel. Oh, wait, I already saw that second one! And, I stand by my choice. :-D
 

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I am fucking pumped.

I'm one of the few who actually quite liked Skull, though I will admit there were problems. Still, I'm sure Spielberg and Ford know there were problems too. Indy 5 will be 11 years after KOTCS (oh my god). Expecting it to be the same is silly. In fact, I expect to see a very different type of Indy here (Ford's in his seventies!), but still that very same spirit. It's Indiana Jones guys! Get excited.
 

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Gaith said:
we all knew this was in the cards when Disney bought Lucasfilm

We knew Indy was on the cards but I think most thought it would be with a new young actor.

This is the same Ford who phoned in the last one. The same Spielberg who let all his old buddies ruin the last one. One might also assume they will be obliged to bring Karen Allen back, who was dreadful in KOTCS. I'm not saying it can't be good, I'm just skeptical. It's basically the 'Insanity = Same Results' thing. Hell, I'll still buy a ticket for this regardless :p.

They would've got me more excited if they announced "No CGI... and this time we mean it!". This franchise is built on jaw-dropping stuntwork, not FX which were always a very small component in the first 3.

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I'd also love to see Short Round brought back. The father/son relationship they had in TOD was lovely and kinda weird that he was never mentioned again. Bring him back and set it in China. It has a sh*t-ton of powerful history and ancient myths to explore. The studio will be happy to have a Chinese-market focused movie too. Everybody wins.

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DominicCobb said:
I am fucking pumped.

I'm one of the few who actually quite liked Skull, though I will admit there were problems. Still, I'm sure Spielberg and Ford know there were problems too. Indy 5 will be 11 years after KOTCS (oh my god). Expecting it to be the same is silly. In fact, I expect to see a very different type of Indy here (Ford's in his seventies!), but still that very same spirit. It's Indiana Jones guys! Get excited.

I agree completely.

I think there was enough good in KOTCS to make it work, and some trims from the various fanedits here definitely helped.
 

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Lots of great responses here. The funny thing is, I find myself agreeing with most things posted, even though the posters disagree with each other. I see possibilities and perils equally in this case.

The thing is that Crystal Skull is not a completely bad movie. It's not a great movie, certainly, and it's not as good as its predecessors, but it's no Phantom Menace.

TMBTM: A slightly different approach might be good. Not "flying saucers" different, but not same-old-thing either. One of the things I like about Temple of Doom is the lack of Nazis, the lack of a classroom scene, etc. Those things are good, but doing them for formula's sake instead of for the sake of a good story isn't. In Crystal Skull, the Russians were generic stand-ins for the Nazis, Jim Broadbent's character was a generic stand-in for Marcus, etc.

TM2YC: Hilarious meme, and I can see that side of it (beating the dead horse). I agree with you about the younger actor. After Crystal Skull, I thought that the only way to reclaim the glory would be to go the Casino Royale route. Set the story in Indy's earlier days, and get a fresh set of eyes behind the camera. I didn't think Spielberg or Ford would even have any interest. But perhaps they want to show that they can do better when not stuck with an idea of George's that isn't working.

I can see Marion being brought back for a cameo, but I doubt she'll be the focus of the action. I think it would be great to see Short Round or even Sallah again, provided that their appearances enhance the story.

Gaith: While I'm not nearly as hard on TFA as you are, I agree that TFA's success gave Disney the confidence it needed to move forward with this. Now that audiences overall trust them, they're ready to tackle the other great Lucasfilm franchise.

A few more random thoughts:

--Ford said for years that he loved the character of Indiana Jones but that he thought that Han Solo was a loser. Then he acts bored during Crystal Skull and delivers an enthusiastic performance in Force Awakens. What gives? I think Ford was unhappy with the script of the former, but happy that he finally got his wish with the latter. Hopefully, he'll bring that TFA level of energy to Indy 5.

--On that same note (Force Awakens spoilers ahead!!),
I kind of always wanted to see Indiana Jones heroically give his life in an adventure. I know that would contradict the old-man scenes in The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, but I actually consider that a plus. However, so soon after Han Solo's death, I don't want to see a beloved Harrison Ford character die again. In fact, I never wanted to see Han die at all. But since he did, now I think I'm gonna want Indy to live through this one.

--This falls into the "I feel old" category: When the original films were set in the 1930s, the time setting seemed distant, remote, and exotic. This next movie will probably be set in the late 1960s -- just a few years before I was born.
 

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Provided the actor playing Short Round has some charisma, I think it would be an interesting idea to make him the star. After Temple, Short Round has been on his own adventures. Years later, he seeks out Indy, pulling him out of retirement (or whatever) to help him. Commercially, Short Round can help get that Chinese Market, which makes me think it wouldn't be a bad idea financially to not have Ford the star.

Just an idea.
 

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TM2YC said:
This is the same Ford who phoned in the last one. The same Spielberg who let all his old buddies ruin the last one.
Maybe they just couldn't get inspired about George's stupid aliens idea, and decided to enjoy themselves as best they could while grinning and bearing it, and are determined to go out in style this time? Or maybe Disney said this was their only and last chance to do one more before the inevitable relaunch, so they said "okay, okay, fine"? Or both? In any case, with Spielberg and without Lucas, I'm willing to be cautiously optimistic. :)


TM2YC said:
They would've got me more excited if they announced "No CGI... and this time we mean it!". This franchise is built on jaw-dropping stuntwork, not FX which were always a very small component in the first 3.
Que? Rear projection was crucial to Doom's opening raft/sled sequence, and there are numerous cutaways to completely absurd models during its mine cart chase. Even the rope bridge sequence has a few very noticeable dummies, which could absolutely have been improved upon by the digital doubles of today. I agree on Raiders and Crusade, but to say Doom doesn't rely on non-stunt effects... can't agree there, hombre. ;)


Now, to quote an idea of mine from my other board on one way to use this movie to relaunch the series:

At the risk of ripping off an idea from The Last Crusade, how about: the opening sequence features a new, recast young Indy. He has a thrilling adventure scene, but then is about to be captured - how will he possibly escape?! Cut to the present, and Indy is telling Marion/Mutt/whoever the tale when he's interrupted by an urgent visitor who sets the plot in motion, a plot which coincidentally has to do with the thing the young Indy was chasing in that very story! The final Ford Indy movie ensues.

Then, in the final/cool-down scene, as the gang relaxes around the fireplace, Marion/Mutt/whoever says "by the way, just how did you survive that certain death back in the opening sequence?" Ford grins, says, "that's a funny story"; we cut back to the past and the young Indy, something surprising happens, and -

CREDITS, with the next movie following said young Indy, picking up right where the flashback left off, but immediately after branching into a whole new tale.

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Crazy theory time.

There are two things that have been true thus far of Indy films that could affect the next one.
- The odd numbered movies feature Nazis.
- The movies are influenced by the B-movies of the time they are set (30s adventure, 50s sci-fi)

If Indy 5 is set 11 years after KOTCS, it'll be 1968. What was the best B-movie of that year? Night of the Living Dead. My theory: be prepared for Indy to fight some Nazi zombies.
 

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Gaith said:
TM2YC said:
They would've got me more excited if they announced "No CGI... and this time we mean it!". This franchise is built on jaw-dropping stunt-work, not FX which were always a very small component in the first 3.

Que? Rear projection was crucial to Doom's opening raft/sled sequence, and there are numerous cutaways to completely absurd models during its mine cart chase. Even the rope bridge sequence has a few very noticeable dummies. I agree on Raiders and Crusade, but to say Doom doesn't rely on non-stunt effects... can't agree there, hombre. ;)

Notice how in the quote you used, I didn't say any of those things. Also, dummies aren't FX, they are real, in-camera objects, that photograph in reality, in real light, for real, really.

- What percentage of TOD was Special-Effects shots then? 5%, maybe?
- Does 5% not satisfy my use of the phrase "small component"?
- Why so pedantic?
 

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Well, they could send him to find Atlantis or the Fountain of Youth.
Reminder for 2019 is already set. :)
 

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Not to be morbid, but is anyone concerned this is set for over three years from now?
 

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TV's Frink said:
Not to be morbid, but is anyone concerned this is set for over three years from now?

that came to mind as soon as I saw the news.
 

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Beezo: I definitely like the idea of Short Round taking the lead. Of course, Jonathan ke Quan is not an international movie star the way that Harrison Ford is, and him having the name "Short Round" would no longer make sense, since he's now an adult of average height. These are perhaps not insurmountable issues, but they're things that would need to be considered.

Gaith: That's a very sensible and plausible story outline for the movie!

Dom: That's a very non-sensible idea. Nazi zombies? ... Okay, shut up and take my money! ;)

MiniMetroid: Considering how beloved the video game Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis is, I've often thought that Atlantis would be great to make into a movie. However, I wonder if the fact that such a story already exists may be a deterrent to Ford and Spielberg.

Frink: Are you referring to Harrison's age? I guess I can see that, but Spielberg's schedule is set for the next two years. He has to make The BFG and Ready Player One before this. I don't think he can get to it any sooner.

Besides that, three years is a pretty normal gestation time for an Indiana Jones film. I do want the filmmakers to take their time and get it right.

But if you're referring to concerns about Harrison's age, yeah, I guess I can see that, but I'm not sure what can be done. Spielberg isn't going to break previous commitments he's made -- that wouldn't be right.
 
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