Moe_Syzlak
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wilhelm scream said:Moe_Syzlak said:
I don't get it.
Among the last things we negotiated before the deal closed was a non-disparagement clause.
addiesin said:I just think the amount of vitriol that comes from current-gen haters is counterproductive and silly. They will not go away though so in the very near future I think the inevitable direction this will take, from the perspective of Disney, is as follows.
(A movie is made)
"You don't like it because it's too much of the same? Ok, we'll make more, and they will be different."
(Another movie is made)
"You don't like the specific kind of differences we chose? Ok, we won't make more. This kind of publicity is bad for our brand."
(Twenty years pass, full of Marvel movies but empty of Star Wars, then an announcement is made)
"Hey we hard-rebooted it, presenting "A Star War", coming Christmas 2040, with Seth Rogen as the Dark Father and James Franco as Obi Kenobi. This time there are two Death Stars in one!"
I'm a superhero movie person, not really a Star Wars movie person. If they stopped, I wouldn't mind. But I think SW fans would. I think the reaction has been really overblown, and its effects will not be helpful to the franchise overall.
Moe_Syzlak said:addiesin said:I just think the amount of vitriol that comes from current-gen haters is counterproductive and silly. They will not go away though so in the very near future I think the inevitable direction this will take, from the perspective of Disney, is as follows.
(A movie is made)
"You don't like it because it's too much of the same? Ok, we'll make more, and they will be different."
(Another movie is made)
"You don't like the specific kind of differences we chose? Ok, we won't make more. This kind of publicity is bad for our brand."
(Twenty years pass, full of Marvel movies but empty of Star Wars, then an announcement is made)
"Hey we hard-rebooted it, presenting "A Star War", coming Christmas 2040, with Seth Rogen as the Dark Father and James Franco as Obi Kenobi. This time there are two Death Stars in one!"
I'm a superhero movie person, not really a Star Wars movie person. If they stopped, I wouldn't mind. But I think SW fans would. I think the reaction has been really overblown, and its effects will not be helpful to the franchise overall.
I know a band that is very successful and have a rabid fan base. I actually knew them way before they were famous and my band used to play the same circuit back in the 80s. Contrary to popular belief, this band’s fans can be incredibly critical of the band they purport to love. I see a lot of similarities between their fan base and the Star Wars fan base. But the band has a very healthy attitude about it. They basically say it’s great to have created something that inspires so much passion. People aren’t going to like everything but at least they care enough to be passionate in their dislike. But they have the attitude that they are going to just keep doing what they love and try to do the best possible work they can. Listening to and taking creative cues from the fan base is the worst thing you can do. I’d imagine the Star Wars creatives feel very much the same way. At least I hope they do.
TM2YC said:
Moe_Syzlak said:I was reminded of this today and thought I’d share. Those that compare the original Star Wars and say it is objectively bad in the same ways as the prequels and we just look at that movie through rose colored glasses need to remember the perspective. The quality of movies of that sort was abysmal at the time. The prequel trilogy came at time when genre films were held to a higher standard. Do some of the effects of the original Star Wars look dodgy now? Sure. Are there plot holes? Sure. Are there reams of terrible dialogue? Sure. Is there bad acting? Sure. But look at one of Star Wars’s contemporaries. This came out after Star Wars.
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TM2YC said:Did George need to sell SW? No. Was he pressured into selling SW? No. Was anybody expecting him to sell off SW?
No. I'm sure it was an emotional time handing over the reins but it was his choice, his idea and nobody's fault but his.
hbenthow said:TM2YC said:Did George need to sell SW? No. Was he pressured into selling SW? No. Was anybody expecting him to sell off SW?
The question isn't whether he was forced or pressured, but whether he was misled. Some of Iger's actions (especially buying the sequel trilogy outlines despite no desire to actually use them) may have been intended to mislead Lucas into thinking that he would have more creative control than Iger was actually prepared to give him. Whether intentionally or accidentally, those decisions did indeed have the effect of causing Lucas to not realize the full ramifications of the deal until it was too late.
No. I'm sure it was an emotional time handing over the reins but it was his choice, his idea and nobody's fault but his.
While it may have ultimately been his choice in the end, it was't originally his idea. He had no initial desire to sell Star War. Bob Iger was the one who initially approached him and convinced him to sell. That is one of Iger's specialties: approaching the owners of already successful companies who have no need or desire to sell (George Lucas, Marvel's Ike Perlmutter, etc) and convincing them to sell anyway. This is evident in multiple parts of Iger's memoir.
Moe_Syzlak said:the same venom that’s been directed at Disney for the past four or so years unleashed on Lucas himself for the 15 or so years before that.
TMBTM said:I wanted to add to my previous comment that even if the Sequels seams to have been made without a clear plan, I also feel that the Prequels had a weird structure.
-Spending a full first movie introducing some characters and things that are not developed in the second one.
-Having a second episode that lots of fans don't like...
-Having all the intersting story plots shown in the last movie... wait...
depending on how episode 9 will be, it's a bit the same thing, don't you think?
the PT's structure wasn't going to be this weird. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were supposed to be just one character - Obi-Wan - and Anakin was going to be a young adult. the reason for the changes:TMBTM said:I wanted to add to my previous comment that even if the Sequels seams to have been made without a clear plan, I also feel that the Prequels had a weird structure.
-Spending a full first movie introducing some characters and things that are not developed in the second one.
-Having a second episode that lots of fans don't like...
-Having all the intersting story plots shown in the last movie... wait...
depending on how episode 9 will be, it's a bit the same thing, don't you think?
Collipso said:concerning the discussion about the book, i think that Lucas deeply regrets the sale. he's still that 1970s revolutionary, and he must be incredibly mad at himself for selling his company - and therefore his IPs. and i don't mean that from a business or money standpoint - i don't think he cares about those much anymore - i mean from a creator of art standpoint. from a writer/director standpoint. they were his movies, it was his universe, and now they're somehow not anymore? someone else "owns" them? i mean that sounds incredibly... insane to me. it might be how stuff is legally but i really don't see it that way, and i don't think Lucas does either. and we seem to share the opinion on TFA, so when he was displeased with what was done to his story he must've really started voicing his unhappiness.