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Another awesome Super Power Beat Down by the Bat In The Sun!!!

This time Darth Maul vs. Spider-Man. The battle starts at the 7 min mark. Look for a fun Stan Lee cameo! :D


Dance Off! lol
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If only little Ani had grown up with Sesame Street and learned the lesson of Four.... lol

 

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Star Wars at the BBC

^ An odd new video where you can watch Peter Serafinowicz watching old Star Wars clips from the BBC archive. Or you can watch the actual clips yourself below. One of the Blue Peter clips is good as Mark briefly talks about the then theoretical Prequels.
 

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Finally Secret Cinema have put together a "Souvenir" video of their immersive 'Empire Strikes Back' London Summer 2015 event...


Be warned, this video ^ spoils almost all of the cool stuff that you see (I think they are going to do a US one at some point). It doesn't quite capture the full awesomeness of the event but still a very nice video package.
 

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Oh groan. Now I want to see a mashup of Clint Eastwood saying "You've gotta ask yourself one question: "Do I feel Wookie?" Well, do ya, punk?"
 

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my daughter is going to have a huge smile on her face when her birthday rolls around, because she's getting one of these:
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http://www.ultrasabers.com/Default.asp
 

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your bajoran log cutter. :)
 

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To battle undead elves.
 

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How do space worm get so big eating food of this infrequency?
 

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ssj said:
How do space worm get so big eating food of this infrequency?

Exogorth, or "space slug":
Space slugs would reach full maturity at ten meters and reproduced by splitting into two smaller, separate bodies. If a space slug was incapable of this process, its growth would continue uninterrupted, potentially reaching lengths of up to 900 meters. Slugs of this size were known to swallow starships whole and house entire ecosystems.

Often living in asteroid fields, space slugs would burrow into an asteroid until completely hidden. From there, they would feed off stellar energy emissions, minerals from the asteroid, floating space debris, and other silicon-based creatures, such as mynocks.
 

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TMBTM said:
Slugs of this size were known to swallow starships whole and house entire ecosystems.

So if it eats you, you'll actually be fine, like a Jonah and the whale or Pinocchio situation? That kind of robs the tension from that thrilling scene where the Millennial Falcon almost gets eaten. Damn EU, always explainin everything.
 

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addiesin said:
Damn EU, always explainin everything.

This new video pretty much nailed it...


It's worth sticking with the whole 24 minutes, as the cumulative effect of the all the EU bullsh*t they read out gets funnier and funnier. At about 10.24 I was in stitches when they read the bit about...

"The newly renamed 'Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center'"
 

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Hi all,

Not sure if this post belongs in this section, but I just wanted to post an article that I read. I think it would be useful for any Star Wars Prequel Trilogy Fan Editor to consider when making an edit, as the article brings up interesting and more compelling and more believable (imo) ideas about Anakin's fall. Unfortunately the only sources available are what are in the DVDs and Special features to work with. Even though, I thought it would be an interesting post

I have post the url, but just in case the article is removed from the original source, I have re-printed the article below:

http://www.gamesradar.com/george-lu...ct-prequel-trilogy-he-just-didnt-seem-notice/
The Star Wars prequel trilogy is nearly brilliant. It took me 10 years to realise it, but it&#8217;s true. You see, the other night, my girlfriend and I drank a bottle of wine and started &#8211; as is entirely understandable &#8211; ripping into Episodes I to III. We hit the usual, obvious punching bags &#8211; Jar Jar, Anakin&#8217;s creepy sex-pest characterisation, the pointless set-pieces &#8211; but along the way, we noticed something big. All of the plot points required to make the prequels tell a sensible, meaningful, satisfying and affecting story are actually already in there, either explicitly on-screen or strongly alluded to. But for some reason, George Lucas doesn&#8217;t seem to notice that he&#8217;s written them, and ignores the lot.

Stick with me on this one. I haven&#8217;t gone mad, I promise. It all starts with the fundamentals of Star Wars lore.

You see Star Wars has always been about binary, black-and-white morality. In the Original Trilogy, that works just fine. The good guys are plucky underdogs, and the bad guys are a fascist galactic empire who think nothing of blowing up a populated planet for shits and giggles. In the wider, more complicated world of the pre-Empire days though, things are, and should be, more nuanced.

While they might be merry old samurai hippies in the Original Trilogy, the organised, prolific, altogether more militarised Jedi of the prequel period are a hardcore conservative faction, incredibly rigid in their doctrine, code and methods. They are ubiquitous, unchallenged, and if anything, slightly too powerful. They have restrictions on sexuality, a strict religious code, make free use of mind control for &#8216;the greater good&#8217;, and enforce stoicism to the point of detachment. They demand utter devotion, are run by an oligarchy, and almost entirely cut themselves off from the outside world. Sound a bit cultish? It is.

The Sith, on the other hand, are staunch libertarians. They accept no oversight or control from the state, practice a self-centred philosophy, and value personal freedom over social responsibility. Both sides are arguably problematic in their own ways, their extremist attitudes to their own philosophies making all elements of their conduct potentially rather dangerous. Suddenly the simple, unambiguous lines between the Light and Dark sides are rather blurred. They&#8217;re binary opposites in terms of ostensible alignment, but in practice, neither is entirely good or bad. Wherever it stems from, extremism always tends to boil down the same way. And that really raises questions about &#8216;balance in the Force&#8217;.

Enter Anakin, prophesised as the Chosen One who will bring that balance. It all falls apart, of course - from the Jedi perspective at least - when he is tempted by the Dark Side. The prophecy was a lie! Or was it? Who knows? It all gets a bit confusing, and the remaining Jedi just run away and hide from the issue for a couple of decades. But how about if Anakin&#8217;s shift in polarity is actually the would-be product of balance, but his promise is warped by the biases and failings of factions who don&#8217;t really want balance at all?

We hear about balance all the time. It&#8217;s portrayed as the Jedi&#8217;s key, long-term goal, and the ideal state for all of existence. But even with a respected High Council and countless Knights acting as Galaxy Police, the prospect of just a single Sith/Apprentice combo existing at any given time &#8211; &#8220;Always two there are&#8221; &#8211; is far too much to bear. The Jedi version of equilibrium is actually the eradication of the Dark Side. This inherent failing, this self-focused misinterpretation, is the core of what the prequel trilogy should have been about.

With both, deeply flawed sides explicitly battling for control of Anakin&#8217;s soul, and the issue of &#8216;balance&#8217; being front and centre, the stage is clearly set for the young Darth to be not an angry teenager on an inevitable slide to tragedy, but the first moderate Jedi, a thoughtful, questioning young man who can bring actual balance by controversially walking the line between the two factions. The reason he can do this? He can see things no other Jedi can, because he was &#8216;too old&#8217; at the start of his training.

We&#8217;re told this around the time Anakin joins the Jedi, but it&#8217;s never properly explained. We&#8217;re broadly told that the Jedi only recruit really young, and that Anakin&#8217;s ripe old age of nine puts him way over the hill. We hear vague talk that he has &#8216;too much anger&#8217;. We&#8217;re told that training him will be impossible. But we&#8217;ve already seen Luke successfully trained, at the age of around 17, despite also apparently being &#8220;too impatient&#8221;, &#8220;too angry&#8221; and &#8220;unfocused&#8221;. There must be another explanation.

How&#8217;s about indoctrination? After all, it&#8217;s a hell of a lot easier to make a recruit accept a dogmatic lifestyle if they start too young to remember anything else. Anakin though, can remember life before his Jedi training. If the films had been brave enough to use him as an audience point-of-view character to explore the nuances and problems with the prequel world, then we would have had a hell of a powerful story set-up. Because good lord, does Anakin see some things.

He sees burgeoning child soldiers, being trained in lightsaber combat, but the scene is played for cuteness rather than moral disturbance. He sees the Jedi regularly control innocent minds for their own ends. He was &#8216;benevolently&#8217; bullied from his mother&#8217;s care &#8211; Qui-Gon&#8217;s talk with her effectively amounts to &#8216;He&#8217;s a slave, do you want him to remain a slave? Better give him to us. No, I&#8217;m not going to rescue you, although I totally could&#8217; &#8211; and Anakin must have seen this happen to countless other, Force-sensitive children by Episode II.

By Episode III, the still-young Anakin has a massive facial scar. He must have been through some serious shit already, and, realistically, should be suffering some level of brutalisation/trauma/depression/PTSD. But rather than addressing any of the above, the movies reduce his would-be legitimate issues with the Jedi to arrogant, teenage sulking.

But what if they didn&#8217;t? What if, instead of vague, generic complaints of anger and unfairness, Anakin and the Jedi have considered philosophical friction, stemming from Anakin&#8217;s intelligent observation, conscious decision-making? Then Anakin has perfectly sensible reasons to have issue with the Jedi, and thus his actions can be understood and empathised with. And most crucially, he has &#8211; as every protagonist should have &#8211; real agency.

In the existing prequels he bounces haphazardly from crisis, to emotional tirade, to impulsive response, like an out-of-control drunk, coming across as stupid, thoughtless, and devoid of any control over his own path or actions. That&#8217;s not how you create an engaging lead character that the audience can really go on a journey with. But if all of the &#8211; existing &#8211; groundwork were followed through, it would have created a wonderful mirror to Luke's story, Anakin growing to self-realisation and then clashing with the Jedi, just as his son completes the same journey to battle the Sith. There&#8217;s poetry there. It rhymes. There&#8217;s balance.

And there are subtler problems to explore within the Jedi machine, again, largely glossed over, but still there on-screen. Obi-Wan&#8217;s youth and inexperience mean that he isn&#8217;t ready for Anakin&#8217;s training either, eventually letting the master/student relationship erode into friendship. The idea gets occasional lip-service, but Anakin&#8217;s lack of a strong guide or guardian should be the back-bone that informs his entire &#8216;descent&#8217;.

And then there&#8217;s Yoda. He appears cold and clueless in the prequels, but there&#8217;s a way to make that work in the saga&#8217;s favour too. The Original Trilogy introduces Yoda as a spiritual, internalised Jedi of the mind, who knows that inner strength, not outward aggression, brings true power. Blend this with the themes of inward-looking Jedi detachment we&#8217;re exploring in this remix, and you have both a great case for Yoda&#8217;s prequel trilogy ineffectuality, and a perfect philosophical figurehead for the organisation Anakin opposes. And by training Luke &#8211; directly contradicting the old Jedi rules in agreeing to do so &#8211; Yoda later gains his own arc of redemption-through-moderation, to parallel that of Vader.

With Yoda an absentee landlord, there&#8217;s also plenty of space for hard-ass Mace Windu to ascend as the aggressive, dominant, dogmatic force he should have been, a personification of the Jedi hardline spearheading Anakin&#8217;s opposition. With these dynamics explored properly, Anakin is a genuine threat to a genuinely worrying dogma. This doesn&#8217;t make him a bad guy, but the more set-in-their ways, extreme Jedi of the Council will see him as exactly that.

As for Padme? Imagine that relationship written plausibly. Imagine that Anakin isn&#8217;t a generically angry creep, and that Padme is an intelligent, but pragmatic human being, rather than a flighty robot-woman. Rather than repeatedly blowing hot and cold, and arbitrarily throwing out &#8216;But I&#8217;m a senator!&#8217; (like that explains anything), Padme follows her heart, but the weight of Jedi disapproval weighs heavy on the relationship. Until, that is, the Jedi act to end it. Forget the nonsensical contrivance of Anakin&#8217;s &#8216;prophetic&#8217; dream of Padme&#8217;s death. With oppressive Jedi disapproval clearly apparent, there&#8217;s already a much more sensible and meaningful catalyst for Anakin&#8217;s ultimate desertion.

Anakin is not tricked into embracing the Dark Side. He chooses it. Not because he wants to, but because he is forced to, by those who don&#8217;t truly want the balanced line of moderation and progress he aspires to. He&#8217;s bullied into choosing an extreme, and while the hardline of the Sith is philosophically no better than the hardline of the Jedi, by that same note, it is no worse. Anakin understandably makes a very human decision, and goes for the option that looks to help his real, personal situation. It&#8217;s a move we can sympathise with, and rather beautifully, one that parallels philosophically with the Sith&#8217;s libertarian ways. Plot, subtext, action and ideology all in sync, informed by &#8211; and informing - real character development.

All of this would make Darth Vader stronger, not weaker. It was an impossible notion before the prequels hit, but they actually make it hard to respect him. They turn the biggest, most interesting, most enigmatic bad guy in the galaxy into a sniveling, mopey teenager, blighted by angsty, adolescent grumbles and mistakes.

Get it right though, and Anakin&#8217;s agency and desire for change maintain the forthright strength he has in the Original Trilogy. They also make his relationship with Luke more poignant. He's not strictly trying to corrupt his son, but to complete the task of balance he himself wasn't able to achieve in his youth. He's seen Luke not as a potential Sith apprentice, but as a way out from beneath the Emperor's tyranny, and an opportunity to rebuild the Force anew. Luke also represents the chance to regain his family, the loss of which pushed him to his reluctant decision in the first place.

Heck, given his history with the oppressive Jedi, Vader has probably resented the Emperor for a long time, and for very similar reasons &#8211; a nice hark back to the idea that one extremism is as bad as another - but only truly manages to break his indoctrination at the end. Because manipulative, abusive relationships are hard to get out of. If all of this had come to pass, we&#8217;d have a prequel trilogy that supports and improves the original, rather than sitting separate and contradictory as it currently does.
Damn it, George, you were nearly there&#8230;
 

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theforce said:
Hi all,

Not sure if this post belongs in this section, but I just wanted to post an article that I read. I think it would be useful for any Star Wars Prequel Trilogy Fan Editor to consider when making an edit, as the article brings up interesting and more compelling and more believable (imo) ideas about Anakin's fall. Unfortunately the only sources available are what are in the DVDs and Special features to work with. Even though, I thought it would be an interesting post

I have post the url, but just in case the article is removed from the original source, I have re-printed the article below:

http://www.gamesradar.com/george-lu...ct-prequel-trilogy-he-just-didnt-seem-notice/

Wrong section, the section this was posted on was for approved fanedits. I've merged it with the general Star Wars discussion thread.

Edit: And I added spoiler tags because you quoted the entire article and that is super long.
 
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