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Mandalorian was good. I have spoken*

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(11-12-2019, 12:48 PM)Siliconmaster Wrote: I mean, all things considered, removing the dummy shot and hiding it with a bigger explosion may be the least obnoxious "fix" they've done in years. That being said, why?

I agree. I mean I haven’t seen the Greedo shoots first version in years, but this seems better than I remembered.
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(11-12-2019, 12:24 PM)TM2YC Wrote:
(11-12-2019, 12:15 PM)wilhelm scream Wrote: OK, Disney has now made the Han/Greedo scene from the special edition even worse. https://www.movie-censorship.com/news.php?ID=15336

That's a fake surely. The "new" shot looks suspiciously lower res and like a heavy crop of the earlier shot.

No, it's 100% real. Apparently it was the last change George made back in 2012 (when these 4K scans/masters were made) before he sold the company to Disney. They've just been sitting on the new masters ever since.
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(11-12-2019, 04:01 PM)ChainsawAsh Wrote:
(11-12-2019, 12:24 PM)TM2YC Wrote:
(11-12-2019, 12:15 PM)wilhelm scream Wrote: OK, Disney has now made the Han/Greedo scene from the special edition even worse. https://www.movie-censorship.com/news.php?ID=15336

That's a fake surely. The "new" shot looks suspiciously lower res and like a heavy crop of the earlier shot.

No, it's 100% real. Apparently it was the last change George made back in 2012 (when these 4K scans/masters were made) before he sold the company to Disney. They've just been sitting on the new masters ever since.

Ahhhh that makes more sense, thanks. So knowing George's m.o. the new shot probably is a low res, altered, crop of the earlier shot because "f*ck you SW fans". I can believe Disney being careless enough to put out a rubbish old transfer without checking it but couldn't see them making pointless changes to antagonize their customers.
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And apparently the grade of the originals has been touched too.

https://mobile.twitter.com/cartycinema/s...F401933%2F
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It's actually a much better transfer with better color grading throughout - my guess is Lucas initially tried to just use the 2004 master for 3D conversion, got a bunch of the way through it with new changes made, then at some point saw an in-progress 3D conversion of it and finally saw how awful it looked, color especially. So he halted work on that, dumped what had been finished on the 2011 Blu-Rays, then commissioned a new 4K scan of all 3 films, had them reapply all the changes he'd already made in preparation for 3D, then threw this last one in just because he could (or maybe the exploding Greedo puppet just looked that bad in 3D).

But then 3D re-releases of old films didn't take off so he shelved it all and sold LFL to Disney, and now Disney has been sitting on this new 4K restoration, waiting for the "right time" to release it, which they decided is now.
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George's last middle finger to the fans. Beautiful 'cause it's just more evidence proving how shitty a filmmaker Lucas is. Doubly beautiful because Disney didn't give a shit enough to remove it.

The boycott continues.
"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be."

Bhagavad Gita 2:12
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Good grief!  So George went back and had a final tinker with the Han/Greedo shoot-out before things changed hands with Disney...and STILL flubbed the opportunity to just revert things back to their much better original layout... Dodgy

Greedo's ludicrous new "MACLUNKEY!" line sounds as bad as Han's ridiculous 'head-swerve' looks...so I had a go at slightly amending how George's 'definitive' version of the scene might have sounded if he'd NOT included that line at all!  

If you just ignore the way the subtitles are chopped up now, and play these snippets one-after-another, it will give a rough idea of how he could have concocted a similar scene with Greedo's existing dialogue instead.  It would STILL have looked as bad overall, but Greedo might not have sounded quite so laughable this way -

George's new version - https://streamable.com/k1sca

Slightly altered version of it -

1.  https://streamable.com/1c3w7

2.  https://streamable.com/em59d

3.  https://streamable.com/5av3n

4.  https://streamable.com/3n4u4

Anyway, although I'll check out the better colouration on these out of curiousity one day, that doesn't make up for the other 'creative choices' they still contain...and while it's nice to know that mattes etc. blend in better now, and that DISNEY+ viewers will get to see Vader with a consistently red lightsaber as opposed to a pink one every now and then, I'll still be sticking with Adywan's versions for my own future viewings, thanks...and get the shoot-out just the way I like it too. Smile

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I'm dying 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1194200262019170304
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(11-13-2019, 09:45 AM)Siliconmaster Wrote: I'm dying 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1194200262019170304

I laughed.
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