Uncanny Antman said:
elbarto1 said:
I gather he just rates the main film in a general score.
I do that too. Whilst it takes a lot of effort and talent to make nice menus and cover art and extras, they aren't what is improtant to me as an audience. Each person brings their own criteria to a rating.
I understand and accept that. its just irksome. I try to look at "what an editor did to create this end product" and take into account not only plot, proper cuts and narrative, but dvd extras, menus, art - I look at all the work, not just a piece (even if the piece is the main course)
diffrent strokes I guess
Uncanny Antman said:
elbarto1 said:
this edit took me 10 months and despite the complete inability to appeal to everyone, I figured the craftsmanship, coupled with the bonus materials and DVD authoring at least accounts for a C-.
Did you do the edit for yourself, or for other people? I mean this as an honest question, not to antagonize. It's a cliché but as long as you do the edit for yourself, then it really doesn't matter how people rate it.
I learned on my first edit that I am not in control once it has been released, thats part of the fun - seeing what others think and get their opinions but In this particular scenario I just dont fully understand the reasoning (I mean no personal offence here) it feels like,
you named this wrong because its still not able to be taken w/ a straight face so what you tried to do didnt work so its crap. I know those words werent what was said but thats the feeling I got. I'm a sensitive flower and that just came off as harsh and rubbed me the wrong way.
Uncanny Antman said:
Don't be down, ElBarto.
Nah, I'm good - I just hope this thread doesnt drive a wedge between me, mollo or anyone else. I meant no disrespect, only to voice my frustration and I assume he meant the same.
boon23 said:
In all fairness to you: you simply deserve better from a fellow faneditor. And this is my opinion.
Are people entitled to their opinions? Oh yes. But others are also entitled to not like their opinion at all and react accordingly. Good thing is, we are most of all a great community of nice people here.
I agree but I want people to call em as they see em. I am just of the mind that if I am rating something low - I need to be sure its truly
bad and not just "not my preference". For example, both KOTCS edits I have seen (neither were finished) - neither really appealed to me, however I wouldnt call them bad or rate them low, I empathize with the editor, try to see things from his/her view and go from there - I suppose I just review more personally than others and when I read a review I read into it more personally than intended. Cant help it - delicate flower and all, remember! :wink:
zeppelinrox said:
It really is very subjective to the reviewer as to how much weight he wants to put on different aspects of the fanedit.
Compared to the orginal (better or worse), technical stuff, plot holes, editing choices, expectations, etc...
But I think it starts off with whether I even liked the original.
If I hated the original, it's very unlikely that I'd watch a fanedit of it.
depends on the editor for me, alot of boons edits I dont care for the originals but know that he can deliver a polished turd and that draws me to edits I didnt care for the original
zeppelinrox said:
Personally, I don't see how Adywan's SW gets such massive attention.
I like star wars, but I'm not THAT hard core about it.
Besides, if memory serves, Darth Editous' version seems to have the best video quality of all the EP IV's that I've seen.
Perhaps I even enjoyed that more than Adywan's.
I never saw DE's version but Ady gets high marks from me because he devoted so much time and effort to achieve what Lucas himself couldn't or wouldn't give us. its the effort that wins me over - the final product is great but I wouldnt praise it as highly if he just ran it through a program that did the work - theres blood, sweat and tears in there and I can see it.
Uncanny Antman said:
boon23 said:
This is always just partly right. If you keep it to yourself, you can be proud of it for yourself. But as soon as you release it, you hand it out and become vulnerable to criticism.
That's the part I agree with...if you don't want to hear any negative reactions, don't release it. If you only want praise, keep it to yourself. (Even family and friends can't be counted on all the time for blind praise. Believe me!
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I can take negative - I survived Jorge and Molasar savagely ripping apart my Alien 4 edit and that was a huge eye opener, this just feels like the reviewer didnt "get" my intentions, didnt like what I did and cast off a quick negative review. I dont claim to say "you cant do that" I would just like to know more about the issues than - you did it wrong. what was wrong about it? could it have been done differently to achieve a better effect - Is it really wrong, or was it just not your cup of tea? yada yada yada.
Uncanny Antman said:
Apologies if it seems like I was tring to start an argument. It was really not my intention.
Never interpreted that way, I appreciate the dialog we have here. I just hope I havent crossed a line with my whining.
Ghostcut said:
MMM!
ThrowgnCpr said:
boon23 said:
In all fairness to you: you simply deserve better from a fellow faneditor. And this is my opinion.
Are people entitled to their opinions? Oh yes. But others are also entitled to not like their opinion at all and react accordingly. Good thing is, we are most of all a great community of nice people here.
I have to agree 100% with boon here. yes, when you release something you are open to criticism, but I think elbarto but it perfectly when he compared it to a school grade. 50%??? gimme a break. That is a MAJOR fail, and I consider this bullshit. Way too much work and care went into it. And the reviews show.
Don't get me wrong, criticism is positive, but lets be realistic. I am all for treat others as you want to be treated yourself. clearly this was no F.
I thank you for having my back but I refuse to call a review that was written and rated "bullshit" (yes I called it a 'shit score' above because 50%=shit in blind taste test review land) but I do believe there is a rhyme and a reason to it and I respect him enough (as a fellow editor) to listen rather than yell.
Again, I hope that this is regarded as constructive because I dont want mollo or any other user to feel that their reviews will be attacked if they are less than favorable, thats not what I am about - I like the freedoms we have here and want to hear about why you liked or disliked something. I just hope we are still friends at the end of the day