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Bond 25: No Time To Die

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The song I have the most conflicting feelings on in Goldeneye. Great melody and vocal performance, but what is up with the lyrics?
 

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I wasn't sure on it... then I had the tune stuck in my head all day, so maybe it's a grower.
 

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asterixsmeagol said:
The song I have the most conflicting feelings on in Goldeneye. Great melody and vocal performance, but what is up with the lyrics?

It's a good song in and of itself, yes.  The lyrics don't connect to the plot, beyond the broad strokes theme of revenge.  It's from the perspective of a scorned lover.  So unless there's a lot more between Alec and James than we were led to believe, I'd toss it in the "nothing to do with the movie" type of theme, along with the likes of The Living Daylights's word salad lyrics.
 

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I like the song for a Bond movie. But the vocals sound like they were recorded way too hot. Which in the digital age should be easy to correct (and for a project like this presumably they have top notch production) so I’m assuming it’s a desired effect. But it sucks to my ear. Sounds like an expertly recorded band and a home recorded vocal track.
 

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Incidentally, a few "Best Bond Themes" lists are popping up in my feed now.  I don't really agree with any of them, though this may be the closest: https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/g26729930/james-bond-theme-songs-ranked/

Most put McCartney, Sinatra, Bassey, Knight, Adele, Garbage, Armstrong, and Easton towards the top.  Most put Smith, Madonna, Lulu, A-ha, and Monro towards the bottom.  Cornell seems to be the most divisive, with people putting it either very high or very low.  One list I saw also included the unused Radiohead song "Spectre", which is definitely better than Smith's but I agree was too melancholy for the film's title song.  It was released free to download on Soundcloud.  Biggest oddity to me is Armstrong's song, which I don't like very much and don't think fits Bond that well...but I'm in the minority apparently.

Anybody have a favorite?
 

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Bond themes, IMO, need to be quintessentially Bond themes. By that I mean they employ the characteristic minor 9th and lean heavily on the Dorian mode. No Time To Die succeeds at that, which if you read an earlier post of mine I was skeptical Eilish would achieve. She lacks the vocal punch of Shirley Bassey on something like Goldfinger (one of my favorites), but she clearly tries. It just never quite gets out of the funereal feel. The minor 9th will do that but more vocal gusto would’ve helped IMO. I really like Adele’s Skyfall and she, too, has the vocals to elevate the song. I think Tina Turner and U2 got the Bond spirit right too. I‘m also excluding Dr. No and other early instrumental themes. I love the original theme and it is obviously still used extensively, but it’s not a Bond Theme “Song” IMO. Two songs that I like very much but not as Bond themes are McCartney and Carly Simon. They lack that certain Bond-ness that feels like a ‘60s jazz lounge. Wow, okay I wrote way more than I was intending to. Suffice to say I think Eilish does a great job and really nailed the Bond trademark minor harmonies.
 

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The only thing I've seen from Fukunaga is Season 1 of True Detective, which was fantastic. I didn't notice any particular style with him except that when they did POV shots or reverse-POV (or whatever you call it when the camera stays stationary on a character's face as they walk around?) they were really well done.

Fukunaga's first two films, Sin Nombre (a thriller about migrants attempting to cross the US/Mexican border) and Jane Eyre, are both stone cold masterpieces I can't recommend enough. I'd call them both incredibly stylish; not in any one kind of gimmicky way, but in the sheer emotional intensity of the filmmaking. With luck, this movie will result in Sin Nombre getting a US/Region 1 blu-ray release at last, though it's available on streaming services.

... Anyhow, looks like No Time to Die is 163 minutes. Woof. Bond really is a procrastinator about this whole mortality business. :p
 

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^ One of the potential good things about the delay is that the team can go away for 6-months and come back with a fresh pair of eyes/ears and maybe think "Actually does this need to be nearly 3-hours?" and do some more fine tuning to the pacing/editing. Plus more time to finesse the FX and more time for Zimmer to work on the score (which is usually the last thing that gets done on a blockbuster film at the last minute).
 

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I just watched the Craig SNL episode. In the open I was struck by how much the No Time To Die font reminds me of the Love Boat. Anyone?
 

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For future possible fanedit use:

 

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https://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/cary-fukunaga-miranda-july-spring-issue-2020
FUKUNAGA: Miranda, I swear to god, I had an idea that this movie could all be taking place inside the villain’s lair from the last film. There’s this scene where a needle goes into James Bond’s head, which is supposed to make him forget everything, and then he miraculously escapes by a watch bomb. And then he and Léa blow up the place, and go on to save the day. I was like, “What if everything up until the end of act two is all inside his head?”

No matter how this thing turns out, somebody needs to make a "Total Recall Edit". 
 
FUKUNAGA: Yeah. I don’t think I’d seen every single James Bond film, but I was pretty well-versed on it. I don’t think I became a fan of the franchise until Casino Royale. Prior to that, my only in-depth James Bond experience was at my cousin’s house playing Golden Eye.


My confidence in them sticking the landing has increased.
 

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Then I wonder which game modes Fukunaga is going to apply to his film?

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Invincible, All Guns and Infinite Ammo are guaranteed. Invisible has been tried by Brosnan and it didn't go down well. Dalton already had a go with Paintball Mode. Many Bonds have faced Lasers but I think Moore is only Bond who has used one (if you don't count watches and orbital satellites), plus a Magnum and Golden Gun mode obviously.
 

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TM2YC said:
Then I wonder which game modes Fukunaga is going to apply to his film?

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Invincible, All Guns and Infinite Ammo are guaranteed. Invisible has been tried by Brosnan and it didn't go down well. Dalton already had a go with Paintball Mode. Many Bonds have faced Lasers but I think Moore is only Bond who has used one (if you don't count watches and orbital satellites), plus a Magnum and Golden Gun mode obviously.

Did Bond ever actually fire one of Drax's lasers in Moonraker?    I know there's promo pictures of Moore holding one, but I'm pretty sure he didn't use it in the movie proper.

And if he or his cousin had a Gameshark and channeled their inner Boris, then I fully expect Line Mode (an A-Ha callback) and No Name (explicit debunking of the "codename theory").

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They just need to play by standard party rules: no Golden Gun and no Odd Job.
 

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This new trailer is starting to worry me:


Embarrassing looking CG body doubles and dodgy physics instead of the real stunts the franchise is known for at 00.10, 00.55, 01.37 and 02.24. Oh no. Then again these could be tiny moments in an otherwise fantastic film and the people who cut this trailer just suck :D .
 

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You have a better eye than me; I didn't notice anything at those time codes.
 

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I see what you mean, TM2YC.  Could be they're still polishing the CG... also, I've noticed personally that when I see something on a home screen, the CG often looks much less convincing than when projected in the theater, so there's that.  Overall I'd say this still looks a lot better than Spectre, though.
 

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I like the high stakes for this film, which is something I've really missed since the Brosnan era. What really worries me is that they seem to really be going all in on following up Spectre, which is a huge red flag for me. I'll definitely give it a shot but I can't bring myself to be optimistic.
 
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