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Why Does It Take So Long?
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As a suggestion, what about making public the list of first-time edits awaiting approval?  And, along with that, extending an invite to more editors to watch and approve them?

I'm not sure what internal measures are in place to make sure each person who approves an edit is properly vetted, but maybe that could be laxed at a bit?  Just a suggestion.
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(10-23-2017, 01:05 PM)beezo Wrote: what about making public the list of first-time edits awaiting approval?

That's a good idea, we'll discuss how best to go about that. Thanks. It wouldn't speed up the process but it would make the process more transparent. Plus members could see what edits are available as "workprints". Feedback from members can really help the Academy to know what things on the list are near perfect and what is far from perfect.

(10-23-2017, 01:05 PM)beezo Wrote: extending an invite to more editors to watch and approve them?

We give a lot of thought to who we invite and not everyone says yes. They need to not only have a proven record of making competent edits but also a proven record of being a helpful and respectful forum member. Giving "constructive criticism" on the beloved projects of total strangers in a manor that will be taken the right way can be a hard thing to do. Lastly you need to be prepared to possibly watch the same edit two or three times (until it's right) and write a list of problems and solutions, taking a lot of your personal time.

However, you don't need to preview hundreds of edits. A volunteer previewing just two, or three (or even one) edit a year would help speed things along.

If anybody would like to volunteer for the Academy then kindly make a post in this thread and we'll consider it because maybe there are people we haven't thought of? (How about you beezo? Wink ). Any volunteer needs to be an approved faneditor as a minimum.

(10-23-2017, 01:05 PM)beezo Wrote: I'm not sure what internal measures are in place to make sure each person who approves an edit is properly vetted, but maybe that could be laxed at a bit?  Just a suggestion.

As above, there are good reasons why we are careful about who we have on the Academy team but there are no hard and fast criteria that I'm aware of. The admin team simply discuss who we think is a good fit from time to time.
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Yeah the only way we could lax our criteria would be to reconsider those we've rejected in the past and I don't think that's a good idea, since we had good reasons to reject them in the first place.
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One thing that people have complained about I think is of the response time to the PM to (no offense) Mr. Cobb. It could take well more than a week some times. Of course, I perfectly understand why as he has told other members and the above reasons from MCP, but would there be any way to quicken that process? How about two people for that job perhaps? Of course there are some downsides in it would confuse some people but it is a possibility.

Edit: Well now I realize there is TM2YC but... yeah. Another person maybe?

I don't know, but looking at the pending approval forum there are a lot of edits so let's hope we can add grease to help this gear move smoother.
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(10-23-2017, 04:33 PM)TM2YC Wrote: [quote="beezo" pid='293657' dateline='1508781909']

If anybody would like to volunteer for the Academy then kindly make a post in this thread and we'll consider it because maybe there are people we haven't thought of? (How about you beezo? Wink ). Any volunteer needs to be an approved faneditor as a minimum.

Yeah.  I'd definitely help out.  Two or three a year seems reasonable.  Maybe, as a measure for control, each first-timer edit gets scrubbed up by guys like me and then passed along for a final approval by the current gatekeepers?  That would at least, in theory, save them the time of having to watch the edit multiple times and go back and forth with the editor.  That part could be "outsourced", so to speak.
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hey, beezo. if you've done the hard work of helping a new editor fix his/her work, then there'll likely be no need for a second layer of approval/guidance. the rest of us would trust your judgment.
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The workprint list would be an essential asset. It's still up to the people submitting the edits to make them availible when we come around asking for them, but I think it would encourage them to stick around until their edit is approved if more people are there to give him or her feedback on it. Not a lot of editors who have had their work pending approval have remained active on the site. I saw one BVS edit get approved lately but the editor had long gone, and might not even be aware it's been approved and thus can't write up an IFDB entry.
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I sent a message to DominicCobb asking about what the criteria is to become an Academy member, but since we are invited to volunteer to be considered, I'd like to throw my hat in.  

With all of the edits that come in and so many hours in the day, I would love to help out with previewing and helping guide some of the newer editors towards a successful submission and release.  

Anything I can do to help out with the community, please let me know!
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Great idea for a thread, glad this has stirred up some conversations. The edit approval system is unfortunately not very efficient, but the steps/events that led to it were understandable, and it's far better than no system at all, and definitely better than anything I could come up with personally overnight. 

But little by little, it can be improved greatly imo, just by merit of having more participation in the process. And this thread seems to have brought the issue to the attention of the right people. There are two volunteers already, and I'd vouch for both of them. Beezo and Musiced have both been helpful contributors and proven editors for a while now.

Tldr; this thread warms my cold heart.
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