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The ARROWVERSE (Flash, Arrow, Supergirl, Legends,etc)
#51
THE FLASH season four finale "WE ARE THE FLASH"

Frustrating and uneven.   Much like the season on the whole.

There was a lot of good stuff in the final... the entire episode looked gorgeous, the first three acts were well balanced, action packed with some really great F/X sequences, including their version of The Matrix's Burly Brawl and a cool saving Central City from a falling satellite.  There was also some real emotionally powerful beats featuring the always amazing Tom Canavagh.

The frustrating part came in the final defeat of the big bad, The Thinker.   There was no direct confrontation between Barry and The Thinker, no satisfying moment of Barry 'outthinking' the Thinker.  And then, to have Marlize just simply and too easily unplug digital DeVoe from the chair was incredibly underwhelming.  Why not keep Devoe's mind trapped in the chair, have him escape to be a recurring villain?  For a mastermind who thought of everything, he didn't have a single escape plan on the marginal chance he was defeated?

The other odd narrative revelation, it seems the plot thread started in the season four premiere, Flash Reborn, and peppered throughout the season, was all set up for season FIVE, with no resolution or explanation in the finale.  The only tease we got was finally learning the identity of the mystery girl speedster in the last act, but I think everyone knew she would either be Barry's or Joe's future daughter, so there was no real twist or surprise in her reveal.

I have a few other nitpicks, but the biggest being once again an Arrowverse show lets a villain go because they showed remorse and redemptive qualities, never mind all the crimes they committed up to that point.   

Of all the Arrowverse shows, The Flash usually has the strongest and most entertaining finales.  But not this year.  While good, it lacked the much needed emotional confrontation between our hero and villain.

I give it a 7 out of 10.
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#52
Some nice discussion of ARROW, of its strengths and weakness, as the crew prepare their Top 10 list...







Top Ten HONORABLE Mentions....




If these are the honourable mentions, what will the final top 10 be???  Tongue
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#53
(04-10-2018, 10:21 AM)bionicbob Wrote: LEGENDS OF TOMORROW SEASON 3 FINALE
"The Good, The Bad and The Cuddly"

A very FUN wrap up to the Mallus season arc.  They went BIG for the finale, lots of guest heroes, lots of action and humour, and some nice emotional beats as we saw the departure of some main characters.

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Agreed, solid entertainment all around. I'd say that, on the whole, S3 wasn't quite as great as S2, with its Legion of Doom, but it was certainly tons of fun, and in no way a disappointment. I quite liked the development and partial redemption of Damian Darkh, and Rip got a fine send-off, including a mention of his family that's been all but forgotten these past two seasons. B+ for Season 3.

As for S4, I hope that dragon's head isn't a one-off, and we get lot more weird creatures and beasties in addition to general magic/spells. I'm not a big fan of Constantine, so here's hoping he doesn't overpower the rest of the cast too much. Finally, I'm pleased by the news that Wally will not be a series regular going forward - not only is he a dull character performed by a middling actor, speedsters are quite simply way too overpowered for our group of Legendary losers. He was fine in his few episodes here, but I was hoping he wouldn't stick around.

Otherwise, I walked away from The Flash this season and haven't looked back. So that's two good seasons for Arrow, two good seasons for The Flash, and three and counting good seasons for LoT - sure, its first season wasn't great, but I don't agree with the new consensus that views it as being horrible and worthless, either. As for Supergirl, I lost interest part way through the first season, and it sounds as though it's just been one big ol' mess (sometimes good, sometimes bad, but always just plain messy and unfocused) all along. In other words, Legends of Tomorrow is the best Arrowverse series there is! Big Grin
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#54
(06-10-2018, 03:25 PM)Gaith Wrote: [quote="bionicbob" pid='307759' As for Supergirl, I lost interest part way through the first season, and it sounds as though it's just been one big ol' mess (sometimes good, sometimes bad, but always just plain messy and unfocused) all along. In other words, Legends of Tomorrow is the best Arrowverse series there is! Big Grin

You may want to give Supergirl season two a shot, lots of fun there that went missing from The Flash, but yes there is bad as well as good.
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(06-10-2018, 05:55 PM)addiesin Wrote:
(06-10-2018, 03:25 PM)Gaith Wrote: [quote="bionicbob" pid='307759' As for Supergirl, I lost interest part way through the first season, and it sounds as though it's just been one big ol' mess (sometimes good, sometimes bad, but always just plain messy and unfocused) all along. In other words, Legends of Tomorrow is the best Arrowverse series there is! Big Grin

You may want to give Supergirl season two a shot, lots of fun there that went missing from The Flash, but yes there is bad as well as good.

Supergirl season two was exceptionally strong imo.  Everything was firing on full cylinders from FX to writing to casting and performance.  Yes, some key supporting players (and I guess some story arcs) were lost in the production move from L.A. to Vancouver, but in terms of storytelling, the showed it potential in the type of relevant social commentary it can make while balancing super-heroics.   It is something season three was mostly missing until this last quarter.

But for me, season two was excellent with the weakest/most disappointing episodes being the actual final two parter season finale.  But besides that, some truly excellent comic booky episodes, and well worth checking out.

As for the current season three... well, I will refrain from commenting too much until the finale airs in another week.
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#56
2018 Comic Con Trailers have dropped....

Arrow Season 7





Supergirl Season 4:




Flash Season 5:




Legends of Tomorrow Season 4:


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#57
Bob, you never did give your final thought on Supergirl S3! Just going to leave us hanging?! Smile
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(07-22-2018, 01:31 PM)Gaith Wrote: Bob, you never did give your final thought on Supergirl S3! Just going to leave us hanging?! Smile

Careful what you ask for...  Tongue

Lots of thoughts, some very convoluted... so I will break it into two parts, the firstly being the season finale and then the whole season in general.

SUPERGIRL SEASON 3 FINALE
"Battles Lost and Won"

Very similar to the Flash finale, a frustrating and anti-climatic season ender.   I had high hopes going in after the FANTASTIC previous episode, "Make It Reign" and it started out strong with all the heroes fighting together (love Alura's silver age costume design!!!) to save National City, even if it did repurpose some FX shots from other episodes.  But after the opening 10 minutes, (in which we FINALLY got a Superman reference/explanation!!!)  the remainder of the episode started to go down hill.  Of the 42 minute episode, I think only 25 minutes was actually dedicated to the Reign storyline, the last 10-15 minutes seemed focused to saying goodbye to characters and setting up a new status quo for season four.  The conclusion to the Reign arc was clunky, both narratively and visually -- the final fight choreography was awful and time travel solution was completely left field and wonky.  And worst of all, Supergirl felt more like a supporting character than the driving force of the story.  Though I give writers props with not going the obvious route of killing Reign and having Alex adopting Ruby, as most online fans were predicting.  The strength of the episode, as it has been all season, was the character relationships, while the actual season big bad arc resolution went out with a whimper instead of a bang.

All in all, easily the weakest finale of the Arrowverse shows this year.  I give the Finale a 7 out of 10.

SUPERGIRL SEASON THREE IN GENERAL RAMBLINGS...

Of all the Arrowverse shows, Supergirl has always had the biggest/obvious challenges, particularly in terms of forgotten characters, story plot point and internal continuity.

The production move from L.A. to Vancouver, attributed to the loss of Cat Grant, Lucy Lane and Maxwell Lord and with it their storylines.

Season three, much like season four of The Flash, started out very strong but became unfocused in the second half.  I speculate the firing of Andrew Kreisberg had a greater impact on the writing of these shows than anyone expected since he was the main creative driving vision of both shows.

Season three saw the mysterious loss of the Alien Immigration story thread from season two ( what happened to the alien president Lynda Carter? or Winn's alien girlfriend???), which was a real strength of the show in season two. (though based on the comic con trailer, it looks like they will be returning to this story for season 4)  In fact, there was no real social commentary this season until it returned for it's last quarter.   The discussion of race in the United States was handled well, but the Gun Control episode was horrible.  But the inclusion of the ongoing Alzheimer storyline was very tastefully done and very heart wrenching.

Mon-el and the Legion storyline, again started with great potential.  They teased that several Legionnaires were aboard the Cruiser in status, but in the end we only saw three of them.  (BTW loved Mon's comic accurate costume!) While the inclusion of the Legion had some fun moments, by adding them to an already large ensemble, Supergirl felt pushed more to the background than usual.  I also have some serious continuity issues with the Legion's appearance.  In season one, they clearly show a Legion Ring in Superman's Fortress, so if the producers are being true to the mythos, Superman as a boy was member.  Why doesn't Kara know anything about them?  Her cousin never shared any stories of his Legion adventures?  Or why didn't Superman recognize Mon-el when he met him in season two? Or why has there never an explanation why Mon-el shares Kal and Kara's House Name???

As for the Kara and Mon-el relationship, it was handled okay-ish lol.  It was very flip-floppy at times, with no clear narrative message.  But by far the most frustrating element of it, after they struggled to reconnect all season, they both decide to end it with a few throw away lines of dialogue because duty is more important than their personal desires.  

One of biggest gripes of season three is lack of balance to Supergirl as a character, even though that was supposedly the main underlying theme of the season.  For reasons unknown to me, the writers/producers of the Arrowverse shows do not seem to like Secret Identities. The secret identity is the corner stone foundation of all great comic books.   It is gold mine for both drama and humour.   And yet, the Arrowverse shows seem to all eventually drop this element.   The best part of Supergirl season one was the Kara Danvers aspect and interacting with people at CatCo.  In season two, this eroded slightly with the departure of Cat Grant, but we still saw Supergirl being Kara as she endeavoured to become a great reporter like her cousin.  But is season three, Kara's new mentor Snapper Carr disappeared without explanation, and the only time we really saw Kara being Kara was when she needed to investigate something for the D.E.O., and even then she was behaving more like Supergirl with glasses on.  This was a real loss to the show imo.  Benoist is absolutely heart stealing as Kara, and the show desperately needs to reinstate this element.

As I said before, the strength of the series is in characters and their relationship with each other.  Kara and Alex, their sisterly bond, is powerful and believable.  Their relationship with J'onn has become a high point of the show, and it is this trinity that makes the show work.  Both Alex and J'onn had rich, emotional and satisfying story arcs this season.  Winn, less so, but his character went off on a very strong note.  As always, the series struggled with what to do with Jimmy... I mean, James Olson, but found a niche for him to fill in the last third of the season.  Lena continued to evolve and go down the dark path all Luthor's seemed doomed to travel, even when they are adopted.   And I really enjoyed the majority of the Reign character, particularly the mother/daughter relationship between Sam and Ruby.

Mythology wise, the show often dropped the underdeveloped ball.  The reveal of Argo City and Kara's mother being alive should have been the most monumental, emotionally powerful event of the season.  Instead, it was completely half-baked and treated as a run of the mill filler episode.   A truly lost moment by the producers.  But on the other hand, the Chad Lowe Supergirl worshipping cult and the Kryptonian Witches (great to see Sara Douglas again) brought something new and fun to the table.

So while Supergirl season three ended on a weak note, the overall season had some truly nice highlights.  

I would give the overall season a B-Minus.

Big Grin
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#59
bionicbob Wrote:In fact, there was no real social commentary this season until it returned for it's last quarter.

Really? My wife and I were frequently surprised by how heavy-handed a lot of the political commentary was this season.
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