Moe_Syzlak
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Detective said:ThrowgnCpr said:Detective said:ThrowgnCpr said:I don't want to see any more films, Star Wars or otherwise, with paper thin cliched good guys fighting the baddies.
If so, I'm curious how you view Rey.
I quite like Rey's character. I'm sure you're hinting at the Mary Sue argument, and I hold that this remains a weak and sexist argument. I liken Rey's abilities with the Force to any child or young person that shows incredible talent in something. I also love how her character brings back the gist of the Force from the OT. The bloodline/midichlorian/prophecy stuff from the PT was deflating and uninteresting.
I also feel that Rey's character is very similar to that of a young Luke. She has an inherent, unexplored talent for the Force and is passionate and headstrong (like many young adults). I don't find Luke's behavior or attitude 40 years later surprising or out of character. In fact, I would be shocked if he were the same impassioned leap-first do-gooder he was when he was 19 years old. I also don't expect or require as a viewer see all of the events that happen in that 40 year span to accept how a character is portrayed. It is a logical progression in my mind. I expect that the next 40 years of Rey's life, whatever that holds, will be challenging, and it will alter who she is as a person. At ~40 years old myself, I can assure you that I am nothing like my 19 year old self.
To bring this back on topic, I think that Rey is a fantastic character for kids. More than any character before in the saga, it shows that with a combination of natural talent and drive, anyone can do good and be important. No royal bloodlines or prophecies apply.
I'm not hinting at a Mary Sue argument - I'm hinting that she is just as "cliched good guy" and binary as Luke was in the OT. But I agree and I like that aspect of her character too - someone simply "with a good heart". Neither of them have any wavering in their sense of doing the right thing, regardless of the horrible things going on around them - that's who they are.
People change over 40 years of life, but how common is it to get to Luke's level of apathy in TLJ from the personality of Luke in the OT - especially after he had succeeded in his goal? It's a complete 180. Usually the angry old hermit comes from a cynical life-weary traveller who was mistreated by those they cared about most. The journey just isn't realistic to me. Great if you all think it is - that's fine - I just don't see it. Maybe if we were taken on the journey instead of just told about it it would be more believable, but that's not what we got.
I also agree and disliked the midichorlian/prophecy/bloodline stuff of the PT - anyone should be able to train and sense and move with the Force. Some may find it easier to do so more than others - but all can access the Force on some level, and can improve with practice and hard work - yes - that is a much better foundation for a story for kids.
I think that you need to accept that you don’t see the movie the way many of us do. You didn’t get the Luke you wanted and now no amount of explaining to you the character arc decisions seem to sway you. Not that I think anyone is trying to sway you. But you clearly simply don’t want to listen so this is a pointless discussion (that we’ve had with you countless times). Maybe save your virtual breath for a couple of months for your complaints about Solo.