Twin Peaks (2017) With SPOILERS

jswert123456 said:

and I have alot of respect for David Lynch and Mark Frost and how the handled and filmed the very last scene with Catherine Coulson.
Very respectful to long time friend and collaborator.

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I agree. I think how they handled the Log Ladies death was beautifully handled. For those that don't know, the actress died from cancer right around the time principal photography began. Knowing she probably wouldn't live to film her scenes, she and Lynch secretly shot her footage a few months earlier. They actually had a In Memory of Catherine Coulson back in episode one, so I found it very touching that in this episode it was to Margaret Lanterman, the real name of the Log Lady. Here is David Lynch's comment regarding the death of Catherine:

“Today I lost one of my dearest friends, Catherine Coulson. Catherine was solid gold. She was always there for her friends – she was filled with love for all people – for her family – for her work. She was a tireless worker. She had a great sense of humor – she loved to laugh and make people laugh. She was a spiritual person – a longtime TM [transcendental meditation] meditator. She was the Log Lady.”

—David Lynch

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As for the episode as a whole there was so much going on. We're starting to see resolutions to some of the storyline's, Ed and Norma being a big one. Going into the Convenience Store and seeing Jeffrey's was pure Lynchian -- I never expected to see Bowie's character evolve into a giant industrial tea kettle.

And Audrey... I never thought she was in a coma and we were seeing what was happening in her head, but I did think her being in a mental institution was possible. I now think that might even be wrong, and that, while confused and a little unstable, she's a shut in. I also don't like the theory that Richard is the result of Mr. C raping Audrey while she was unconscious after the safety deposit box blast. That seems too dirty even for Lynch. Richard mentioned to Mr. C he knew who Mr. C was from some old photos his mother had, so I think it's more likely that after Audrey woke up and Cooper was gone, she never got over the affection she had for him and just had a keepsake. I doubt she would have kept his photo if he raped her.

And the final scene in the Roadhouse was pretty bizarre. A young woman in a booth waiting for someone, two big guys come by and move her to the floor, and then she crawls through the crowd only to start shrieking. Something bad is coming...

Overall, this is probably one of the best episodes to date. And did anyone else catch that Mark Frost was the guy walking to dog in the woods?

Richard called Mr.C "Cooper", so it makes sense.
The strange couple in the woods made no sense to me.
It Makes sense that Bowie's chararecter took on a new life.
This also happened with Michael J. Anderson's role.

My coworker has a theory I can't stop thinking about now: 

Mr. C is the real Cooper, had absorbed Bob and is undercover as his own doppleganger, and Dougie is a decoy for us, the audience.

I don't think it really totally makes sense but what a fascinating idea.


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Ed and Norma gave me a tear, but Log Lady gave me the full waterworks. 
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The Dutchman convenience store was cool but I was really hoping for actual David Bowie to show up. 
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I don't understand what's going on with Steve and Donna's sister, Gertrude, Gerstein, Gretchen, whatever her name is; G Hayward. I get they have been cheating on Becky but what were they talking about? They were so out of breath I couldn't understand the whole second half of their conversation. I heard "why did she do it?" "There's no why, I did it". "You didn't do anything, don't say that". "Whisper whisper", gun to the temple, "whisper whisper". "I like f--ing you". "Whisper whisper".

Why'd she run from him around the tree when the guy with the dog showed up? Feels like I missed a scene where they explained she's not supposed to be seen with him or something.
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Yeah, pretty sure Audrey is the new Harold. The agoraphobe.

addiesin said:

My coworker has a theory I can't stop thinking about now: 

Mr. C is the real Cooper, had absorbed Bob and is undercover as his own doppleganger, and Dougie is a decoy for us, the audience.

I don't think it really totally makes sense but what a fascinating idea.

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It is fascinating, but I don't think there is enough evidence to support this theory.

There's another theory floating around that the Cooper in FWWM is also Mr. C because of how Jeffrey's reacts to him but, again, I don't think there is enough evidence to support it. More likely, Jeffrey's is just confused after being above the convenience store for the first time.

The Dutchman convenience store was cool but I was really hoping for actual David Bowie to show up.

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This would have been amazing if they'd been able to keep Bowie's appearance a secret but, alas, it wasn't meant to be.

I don't understand what's going on with Steve and Donna's sister, Gertrude, Gerstein, Gretchen, whatever her name is; G Hayward. I get they have been cheating on Becky but what were they talking about? They were so out of breath I couldn't understand the whole second half of their conversation. I heard "why did she do it?" "There's no why, I did it". "You didn't do anything, don't say that". "Whisper whisper", gun to the temple, "whisper whisper". "I like f--ing you". "Whisper whisper".

Why'd she run from him around the tree when the guy with the dog showed up? Feels like I missed a scene where they explained she's not supposed to be seen with him or something.

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This seems to be the biggest issue for people this episode, but I'm waiting to decide if it was needed or not. With three episodes left and scenes that don't seem to be relevant coming together, this scene may prove important. And if you're wondering about what was said someone transcribed it.

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G: Why?
S: there is no why. I did do it.
G: no, she did it. She did it.
S: i can't. No. I did it.
G: No, Steven. Steven, stop it.You didn't do anything, ok? You were fucking stoned. What the fuck did she give you? Give me the gun, okay? 
S: mm-mm. Are you gonna come up with me?
G: No. No, and you're not going either.
S: Look at me. I'm a high school graduate. I'm a high school graduate.
G: oh, fuck....
S: you see this, yeah?
G: No. No. Stop it, don't do it.
S: I'm gonna get this thing in. 
G: What? No - don't, no.
S: I'm gonna put this thing here...
G: No, no.
S: Right through here
G: No, Steven. No
S: It's gonna end it.
G: No.
S: and when i - when i see you come up but...but... i may not even see you there, I mean...i mean...i mean gone. Where will i be? Will i be with the rhinoceros? The lightning in the bottle, hm? Please. 
G: It's okay. It's okay, okay.
S: Or will i becompletely all like- like- turquoise? Hm? I feel something. Fuck. Or. Fuck. This is the end. I got a duty to do. Do whatever- whatever you want. I liked fucking you. Did i tell you? I liked it a lot. I liked to get down and fight with you and fuck. Just so you know. That i liked your cunt. Like, sometimes, it's so amazing. You're making me cry. Stop it, cunt.

Thanks for that. 

I assume the "Why" is regarding Becky shooting through the apartment door. As in "why did she try to kill you?" "There's no why, I know what I did to push her to try to kill me, and perhaps I even deserve it." And he's high on "Sparkle", god knows what that does to your brain, but it seems he's convinced that he screwed up big enough to deserve to die. 

Maybe that's all wrong though.

Do you think the drooling parrot guy in the jail cell is a woodsman in disguise somehow? When Mr. C was at the Dutchman, didn't the appearance of the woodsman sitting down, vaguely mirror the drooling fellow? There is so much mirror/doppelganger/tulpa stuff in this season, I can't help but wonder.

No idea but I think we're calling him Billy for now.

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New theory. This one's mine but it's an extension of the idea we're seeing multiple time periods.

What if the Roadhouse scenes all took place on the same night? I'm trying to piece together what we know about them and we either focus on one or two characters or people we've never seen before. Or a band plays one song.

Then suddenly, something that may be plot relevant, the guy who almost got run off the road. It could be Billy, who maybe was drunk driving and crashed, hence his current state and setting. It could be Richard since he fled town in a hurry and has a history of vehicular homicide. Or... as my theory would have it, it could be Mr C arriving in Twin Peaks. 

If that guy almost getting run off the road was the same night as rubber glove man knocking that same guy out, then presumably it's also the same night Mr C will arrive and will have to face off with rubber glove man.

I can't recall off hand whether the recurring characters are in the same clothes each time we see them maybe I'll go back and check.

Seems pretty unlikely that all of James's scenes there would take place on the same night.

Well this is interesting...

good cooper is alive.

There is definitely a lot to process in this episode and I for one will miss Twin Peaks being back on television. I really don't want it to end. However, if it ends satisfactorily I will be happy. At least we got a conclusion to a 25 year old cliffhanger. That's not something many shows would get.

So... Cooper wakes in a very Cooper-like way. Diane is a tulpa and is whisked back to the lodge. (Where the real Diane is is anyone's guess, but I'm in the camp who thinks she is Naido (O-DIAN).) The shootout with the Tim Roth and Jessica Jason Leigh was hysterical. And Audrey... poor, poor Audrey. What the fuck is going on at The Roadhouse? I can't figure that part out yet, though I don't subscribe to it being entirely part of her fantasy. Too much is going on there with James and Richard and Shelley for it to be in her head.

I hope Cooper doesn't sacrifice himself so Dougie can return and be with his wife and son. However, Also, there is the shot from one of the trailers where Cooper is being escorted by The One Armed Man down a hallway in the Purple/Mauve Place so it's entirely possible that will be Coop's fate, and something I could see him doing.

Next weeks two hour finale is going to be epic as only Lynch can do.

found this today- kinda neat

Q2, I agree and don't have much to add any the episode. About the season...

It seems everything is coming together and will be somewhat understandable, conclusive, and satisfying, something I was worried we wouldn't get, seeing as so many people have been calling this season "Full on Lynch". But no, it seems he and Mark Frost really teamed up to make something special for the long time fans. Thank the tv gods.

If Naido is the "Original Diane" then why Gordon and Walter who look that they know her from a long time are recognizing Laura Dern as Diane. You're not a good doppelganger if you look nothing like you're original version. Am I missing something in that theory?

TMBTM said:

If Naido is the "Original Diane" then why Gordon and Walter who look that they know her from a long time are recognizing her as Diane. You're not a good doppelganger if you look nothing like you're original version. Am I missing something in that theory?

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There's a few hints that Naido is the real Diane. When Diane looks at the phone and sees ALL she panics, as if the real Diane is coming through, and struggles to say, "I'm in the sheriff's station because I'm not me." Remember that the Diane that Albert and Gordon have been working with isn't a doppleganger but, rather, a tulpa. She's a construct with implanted memories of the real Diane. My guess is Mr. C created her and imprisoned the real Diane in the form of Naido. So while this tulpa may behave differently than the Diane they knew 25 years ago, a personality change doesn't necessarily mean anything nefarious.

I spoted the "sheriff's station" and the "I'm not me" lines, but I had difficulties to understand what a "Tulpa" means, I took that as being the same as a doppleganger.

So, if I understand well, Diane always looked like Laura Dern, even looked like Laura Dern when she was "replaced", but the real Diane would now looks nothing like Laura Dern (asian 'blind' girl) and would be called Naido in the credits of the series? And if the real Diane would ever come back she would look like Laura Dern? (strange because she kind of already came back in the real world and still looks asian)
That's a tad complex if you ask me, lol.

Agent Preston sort of explained it previously, but tulpas and dopplegangers are two different things. Basically, Dopplegangers are the evil version of a person: good Coop vs bad Coop. Tulpas are manufactured and are not "real" such as the original Dougie before Cooper came back through the electrical socket.

So, Diane always looked like Laura Dern. Assuming she is Naido, then there is the question of why she doesn't look like Laura Dern. One would assume that Mr. C, upon creating a Diane tulpa, would kill the original. Why he didn't do that is still up in the air. Maybe he couldn't for some reason, so instead he altered her appearance and imprisoned her in the form of Naido. I suspect that Naido will change back into the real Diane before the final credits roll.

It's possible Diane, as Naido, was attacked and disfigured in the mauve room by Mother/Experiment. She isn't just missing eyes, it also looks like she has scars around where they used to be.

It's possible living in non existence (or in the Lodges) changes you physically, unless you enter with perfect bravery or whatever Hawk said in season 2, seeing as both the Arm and Jeffries changed (but Cooper didn't). 

It's possible Mr C did something magic to her face. 

I'm banking on this theory being correct somehow, because otherwise, there are more questions. Like, how long did tulpa Diane exist? Was there ever a real Diane at all? What is the significance of Naido being in the real world?

Separately, pretty sure I was close with the Roadhouse theory I had. But, now I'm leaning toward some scenes being real and some fake. The indicator is the MC. When he's present, it's not the real Roadhouse. Maybe.

addiesin said:

Separately, pretty sure I was close with the Roadhouse theory I had. But, now I'm leaning toward some scenes being real and some fake. The indicator is the MC. When he's present, it's not the real Roadhouse. Maybe.

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You've been reading the Dugpa forums too, I see.