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Spoilers... I mean, the thread is already full of 'em, so...

I hereby submit that Dark Fate can be summed up by this formula: "Good idea! But... too much."

- The new hope for humankind is a young Mexican nobody - good idea! But, she already works at a factory where machines threaten her future (get it, get it?!)... too much.
- The new terminator villain can split himself in two for more effective combat - good idea! But, it's also almost completely indestructible, and shrugs off multiple explosive and military-grade weapons hits with no apparent difficulty... too much.
- Grace's enhanced metabolism means she burns herself out and must be cared for - good idea! But, instead of being fed, rested, and nursed back to health, we get a scene of her robbing a pharmacy... too much.
- Sarah is a bitter, hardened loner with a prickly personality - good idea! But, she assumes the new woman's the mother of the machines' real target for no good reason, and she and Grace do little but bicker at each other, long after it becomes clear they're on the same side... too much.
- We get slam-bang freeway chase and detainee breakout sequences - good idea! But, we then break into and out of an Air Force base, casually steal a military cargo plane, have an altered gravity fight, parachute into a reservoir and fight underwater, then have a two-part battle royale inside a hydroelectric dam... way, way, way too much.
- A terminator without a mission grows a conscience, and becomes a family man - good idea! But... actually, this is the one area where we don't get nearly enough.

And for a "back to basics" movie that erases T3, it doesn't mind re-assembling the following factors: a liquid metal/endoskeleton hybrid that remotely commands other machines, humans other than the Connors being targeted, Skynet succeeding in killing John, Judgment Day being merely postponed, an action scene in an Air Force base which our heroes fly away from, arriving at a generations-old industrial site without bystanders, and killing the bad terminator with a gadget from our future hero. Even given that T3 is itself a shameless retread of the first two movies, that's a lot of borrowing from the movie you're essentially remaking with a new third installment.

To be sure, there were some great moments sprinkled throughout - okay, sprinkled throughout the first half - of the flick. But the second half was just too damn long, exhausting, and empty. It was fun seeing Linda back, but I'm a big fan of T3's Nick Stahl/Claire Danes, pairing, too. So, in the T3 vs. Dark Fate battle... Dark Fate has higher highs, but, due to its bloated, plot-hole-filled second half, I have to give the win to Rise of the Machines overall.

Dark Fate: B-
Rise of the Machines: B+

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Stahl/Danes win! Tongue

(11-04-2019, 01:11 PM)bionicbob Wrote: T3 established Judgement Day in some form is inevitable, so I did not have any real issue with that plot point.

 Not necessarily. In T3, the T-850 said of the war: "You only postponed it. Judgment Day is inevitable." And then in the closing voiceover, John talks about his and Kate's destiny. Many took this as T3 the movie establishing Judgment Day as inevitable, but: A) the T-850 admits to lying elsewhere in the movie in service to his mission (even to his primary objective, Kate) to ensure John and Kate's survival, and B) at that point in time, the nuclear strikes were only hours away, so, if pressed, he might have clarified that they were only inevitable at that moment. Indeed, later in the movie, he says "There is insufficient time" to stop the war, which suggests that with sufficient time, the war could be postponed again, at the least. Ergo, the movie's overall take on the matter is murky, but T3 is now being ignored (again), so that's all academic, I guess.

(11-05-2019, 01:28 AM)Moe_Syzlak Wrote: I mean John’s very existence is a plot hole.

Again, not necessarily. It's entirely conceivable that there was an original timeline in which Reese wasn't John's father, and Sarah's upbringing was the deciding factor in his future leadership, not the source of half his chromosomes. Time for my Terminator Time Chart again!

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So... did Dark Fate's Air Force major have a hand in pulling the plug on the military's Skynet?! Wink


From a Deadline article a while back:
Quote:Did Cameron go back to dissect the three Terminator films made without his participation? Yes, he and the project’s writing team did revisit the third, fourth, and fifth movies in the killer cyborg series, which Cameron says revealed some things that would need to avoid if Dark Fate is to have any chance of a bright destiny.

“One of the things that seemed obvious from looking at the films that came along later was that we would need to get everything back to the basics and that we would need to avoid the mistakes of making things overly complex and that we needed to avoid stories that jumps around in time and one that goes backward and forward in time,” he said. “Let’s keep it simple in the relative unity of time. With the story, let’s have the whole thing play out in 36 hours or 48 hours. In the first two movies everything plays out in less than two days in each one so there’s energy and momentum.”​

Er, that's all true of T3 also, Jim... Wink
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