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JAMES CAMERON RETURNS TO TERMINATOR
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Several details in this newest trailer seem to confirm the recent plot leaks. According to the leaks, John Connor

was killed immediately after the events of "Terminator 2: Judgement Day", and the reason that Sarah Connor wants to kill Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator character is that he's the one who killed John. If the rumor is true, Edward Furlong is probably digitally de-aged to look as he did in "Judgment Day".
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I'm not sold yet, but that trailer is a significant improvement over the first.
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Just returned from the matinee...

My wife loved it, and gives it 8.5 out of 10.

I was less impressed, and generously give it 7 out of 10.

I thoroughly enjoyed Linda Hamilton and Arnold.  Hamilton brings some much needed gravitas to the film.   And though I had many, many (oh so many lol) problems with Arnold's Terminator storyline, there is no denying he is a scene stealer.

The new generation of heroes are solid, though lacking the same level of onscreen charisma as their seniors.

There was a lot press and hoopla from the marketing department promoting James Cameron return to the franchise with this film as a producer, but if he actually had much influence on this movie, I do not really see it.  Visually, it does not remotely look like a Cameron movie.  The colour palette is dull, dark and uninteresting.   And the movie's over dependence and saturation of CGI breaks the wall of cinematic reality very early on in the first act and never recovers, making most of the big action scenes tensionless.

But I guess the biggest issue I had is with the Big Twist (which happens in the first 5 minutes), as it never feels earned and makes first two classic Terminator movies narratively pointless.  And after that, this movie just feels like a tired plot retread of T2.  

My advice, save your money and use it to buy TERMINATOR:  THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES.  A much more respectful, rewarding and entertaining viewing experience.
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(11-03-2019, 06:38 PM)bionicbob Wrote: But I guess the biggest issue I had is with the Big Twist (which happens in the first 5 minutes), as it never feels earned and makes first two classic Terminator movies narratively pointless.  And after that, this movie just feels like a tired plot retread of T2.  

The more and more I think about this movie, the angrier I get as a long time fan.

Not only does this new movie make T1 and T2 pointless, it says the characters you invested in for the past 30 years are utterly disposable.

I mean the new movie literally has a scene where Sarah says Dani is the new John.

And apparently, this was all Cameron's idea...
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a29681...s-cameron/

And maybe it could have been pulled off with a better script or direction?  Maybe something was cut?
I dunno.
But as a long time fan, instead of the Big Twist being an emotional dramatic gut punch, it felt more like a kick in the balls.
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(11-04-2019, 11:34 AM)bionicbob Wrote:
(11-03-2019, 06:38 PM)bionicbob Wrote: But I guess the biggest issue I had is with the Big Twist (which happens in the first 5 minutes), as it never feels earned and makes first two classic Terminator movies narratively pointless.  And after that, this movie just feels like a tired plot retread of T2.  

The more and more I think about this movie, the angrier I get as a long time fan.

Not only does this new movie make T1 and T2 pointless, it says the characters you invested in for the past 30 years are utterly disposable.

I mean the new movie literally has a scene where Sarah says Dani is the new John.

And apparently, this was all Cameron's idea...
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a29681...s-cameron/

And maybe it could have been pulled off with a better script or direction?  Maybe something was cut?
I dunno.
But as a long time fan, instead of the Big Twist being an emotional dramatic gut punch, it felt more like a kick in the balls.

SPOILER AHEAD:
In a way I understand people being angry but it's not exactly like killing Newt at the beginning of Alien 3 for me.
If we take as a basis that Sarah changed the future (a thing I would not have done myself but that's another debat) then John becomes disposable. He can be killed because the future (and so the story) does not need him anymore.
I will not lie, at the end of the opening scene I truely thought that by the end of the movie we were gonna see John come back in a way or another. When the characters started talking about the girl as the new definitive leader I thought... oh... bye John. I don't like that scenario BUT it does not negate the events of Terminator 2. They just went with the story that Sarah succeded in changing the future (but it's a new future where humans are also fucked the same...how convenient for a soft reboot...!) and in that future John does not have a place. So in a way what Sarah thought was a victory at the end of T2 was condemning his son to die.
All this to say that you can somehow rationalize why John has to die without making T2 totaly meaningless.
Hope this can calm you a bit Wink
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(11-04-2019, 12:10 PM)TMBTM Wrote:
(11-04-2019, 11:34 AM)bionicbob Wrote:
(11-03-2019, 06:38 PM)bionicbob Wrote:  

SPOILER AHEAD:
In a way I understand people being angry but it's not exactly like killing Newt at the beginning of Alien 3 for me.
If we take as a basis that Sarah changed the future (a thing I would not have done myself but that's another debat) then John becomes disposable. He can be killed because the future (and so the story) does not need him anymore.
I will not lie, at the end of the opening scene I truely thought that by the end of the movie we were gonna see John come back in a way or another. When the characters started talking about the girl as the new definitive leader I thought... oh... bye John. I don't like that scenario BUT it does not negate the events of Terminator 2. They just went with the story that Sarah succeded in changing the future (but it's a new future where humans are also fucked the same...how convenient for a soft reboot...!) and in that future John does not have a place. So in a way what Sarah thought was a victory at the end of T2 was condemning his son to die.
All this to say that you can somehow rationalize why John has to die without making T2 totaly meaningless.
Hope this can calm you a bit Wink

Those are valid points.  I am a wee bit calmer... LOL

But....  Tongue

T3 established Judgement Day in some form is inevitable, so I did not have any real issue with that plot point. But it also cemented that John Connor is still essential to humanity's survival.  (and yes, I know in this new reality T3 is null and void... which is another point of contention for me... lol.)

However, Dark Fate now says that the Messiah/Savior is disposable and can be replaced.  Sure, the new Leader of Humanity is still going to be trained by Sarah Connor but still....?  

Again, I think it could have worked if it was better written.  There were a couple of nice scenes (Sarah can not remember what John looks like...) but mostly it felt forced rather than earned. 

Mostly the weakness of this movie is lazy, unoriginal writing.  This is just T2 recycled.  There is so many things you could do with this franchise, and they do not include half-assed reboots....

okay, going back to watching the Sarah Connor Chronicles.   Big Grin
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Could some kind of edit be made utilizing 3-6 to tell a new narrative and make an actually good sequel? I'm all for edidits of that sort..

That being said, I thought the trailers looked kinda good, but I've never seen any of the Terminator films so I have no intention of watching this anytime soon.
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(11-03-2019, 04:29 PM)Neglify Wrote:

After RLM and this (contains spoilers) I think I'll probably skip this one, not just in cinema but alltogether. Uncanny Antman's The Coming Storm will conclude an informal trilogy for me from now on.

(11-04-2019, 01:25 PM)jrWHAG42 Wrote: but I've never seen any of the Terminator films

how is this even possible Tongue
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This rather funny but full of spoilers so just for people that have already seen it, or have decided not to bother...

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