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JAMES CAMERON RETURNS TO TERMINATOR
#11
I liked Genysis a lot even with it´s flaws. The problem is that Genysis was supposed to start a new trilogy. If I was the director and the producers I would make it like a movie to close the franchise and using all the nostalgia in the process. Things I would change:

- Cameo of Robert Patrick as the T-1000 instead the asian guy
- Cameo of Lance Henriksen (because in the new timeline he didn´t die in T1)
- Replace the character of JK Simmons with the character of the psychologist of T1 and T2 played by Earl Bowen. Now he will not to be a dick and will help the main characters like JK Simmons did.
- Replace Jay Courtney with another actor more similar to Michael Biehn. 
- Bring back Joe Morton as Dyson and not that actor they hired
- And cameos of Bill Paxton and Brian Thompson as the punks (and they could use CGI to make them look younger)
- Use the scenes of T1 instead recreating all of them.

There´s a plot hole when Sarah and Kyle travels to 2019 because until then they didn´t have sex to make the baby John. It would be cool if Sarah made sex to him in a very mechanical way just to be impregnated. It would contrast with the scene in T1 where they made sex because they really loved each other.

It would be a movie to close the franchise and to celebrate it at the same time.
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#12
I feel like a battered housewife but yeah, sure, I'll give it another shot.

Cameron and Miller are a far greater standard of talent than this franchise has brought on board for a very long time, so I'm optimistic about that. This series has never been sequel-friendly, but I love the mythology so much that I will always check it out.
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#13
hopefully cameron will send the terminators far back in time so the various T models can battle dinosaurs.
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#14
(01-23-2017, 07:23 PM)ssj Wrote: hopefully cameron will send the terminators far back in time so the various T models can battle dinosaurs.

Can even use some archival Arnold dialogue from Batman and Robin.

"What killed the dinosaurs?"
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#15
Gosh, I guess I'll have watch Genysis some day.
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#16
(01-23-2017, 09:52 PM)TVs Frink Wrote: Gosh, I guess I'll have watch Genysis some day.

I was thinking the same thing. It's free on Amazon Prime right now and I still haven't watched it.
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#17
(01-23-2017, 07:23 PM)ssj Wrote: hopefully cameron will send the terminators far back in time so the various T models can battle dinosaurs.

I'd like to see this. Basically, just go wild with time travel. I'd watch a period piece film with terminators in world war 2 or the French revolution. We could have movie about Skynet trying time travel a few times and getting a terminator back to the time of the dinos, or the dawn of man, or in ancient Greece or Norway or Egypt or Maya where it's mistaken as a God.
Or show us a terminator trying to wreck a saved future, show us what they've been fighting for the whole time. 

There are ways to breathe life back into the franchise but I foresee more of the same. The next film will be "you're our only hope now that we've lost John Connor! Come with me if you want to live!" with a new protagonist in a modern setting with a new terminator. If not I'll metaphorically eat my hat.
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#18
agreed. the john connor/kyle reese story is beginning to feel. . . inbred.

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#19
(01-23-2017, 05:36 PM)tipoc Wrote: I liked Genysis a lot even with it´s flaws. The problem is that Genysis was supposed to start a new trilogy. If I was the director and the producers I would make it like a movie to close the franchise and using all the nostalgia in the process. Things I would change:

- Cameo of Robert Patrick as the T-1000 instead the asian guy
- Cameo of Lance Henriksen (because in the new timeline he didn´t die in T1)
- Replace the character of JK Simmons with the character of the psychologist of T1 and T2 played by Earl Bowen. Now he will not to be a dick and will help the main characters like JK Simmons did.
- Replace Jay Courtney with another actor more similar to Michael Biehn. 
- Bring back Joe Morton as Dyson and not that actor they hired
- And cameos of Bill Paxton and Brian Thompson as the punks (and they could use CGI to make them look younger)
- Use the scenes of T1 instead recreating all of them.

There´s a plot hole when Sarah and Kyle travels to 2019 because until then they didn´t have sex to make the baby John. It would be cool if Sarah made sex to him in a very mechanical way just to be impregnated. It would contrast with the scene in T1 where they made sex because they really loved each other.

It would be a movie to close the franchise and to celebrate it at the same time.

I like the concept behind "Terminator: Genisys".

"The Terminator" was about Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese fighting to save the original timeline so that things would happen the same way in the future, and humans would still win the war against Skynet. "Terminator 2" was about Sarah Connor, John Connor, and a benevolent Terminator deciding to prevent the war from even happening. "Genisys" moves this concept further, with Sarah Connor gaining knowledge of Skynet and deciding to prevent the war before ever getting impregnated with John, turning her fight against Skynet into a dual battle for humankind's future and her ability to live her life as she wants it, free of pre-determination. I think it was the perfect direction to end the franchise on (emphasis on end). I just think they messed up the execution.

In my opinion, the things that most needed changing are the following:

- No sequel-bait. End the movie with Skynet (and John Connor) prevented from existing, once and for all, and Sarah Connor free to live a normal, everyday life.

- Have the new timeline of the movie come to exist in a way that's consistent with the first two movies. In the movie as-is, Kyle Reese is going through the time machine just like in the original, when something suddenly goes awry, changing the timeline. But this makes no sense, because it happens in the same timeframe that Kyle's transport to the past happened in the original, so everything should have happened the same as before. 

- Better casting. First of all, I have no idea how anyone thought it was a good idea to cast Jai Courtney as Kyle Reese. It's one of the worst pieces of miscasting in years. The perfect actor for the role would have been Sebastian Stan, who not only physically resembles Michael Biehn, but is also brilliant at playing war-weary, raggedy fighters. As for Emilia Clarke, she would have been perfect for a 1970s teenage version of Sarah Connor (which is what I had thought she was playing when I first saw the trailer), but she looks too baby-faced for a 1984 Sarah Connor. (I know that Emilia Clarke was about the same age when she played Sarah Connor as Linda Hamilton was when she was in the original, but she didn't look it.) Also, putting aside looks, the version of Sarah Connor that she is playing has been trained for years by "Pops", so she's supposed to be seasoned and tough. Emilia Clarke tries to act tough in the role, but she isn't too convincing in my opinion. I think Hayley Atwell would have been a good choice. She has just barely enough of a facial resemblance to Linda Hamilton to pull it off with the right makeup, looked close enough, age-wise, to how Linda Hamilton looked in the original at the time "Genisys" was made, and could definitely pull off the toughness aspect of the character.
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#20
(01-24-2017, 01:18 PM)hbenthow Wrote:
(01-23-2017, 05:36 PM)tipoc Wrote: I liked Genysis a lot even with it´s flaws. The problem is that Genysis was supposed to start a new trilogy. If I was the director and the producers I would make it like a movie to close the franchise and using all the nostalgia in the process. Things I would change:

- Cameo of Robert Patrick as the T-1000 instead the asian guy
- Cameo of Lance Henriksen (because in the new timeline he didn´t die in T1)
- Replace the character of JK Simmons with the character of the psychologist of T1 and T2 played by Earl Bowen. Now he will not to be a dick and will help the main characters like JK Simmons did.
- Replace Jay Courtney with another actor more similar to Michael Biehn. 
- Bring back Joe Morton as Dyson and not that actor they hired
- And cameos of Bill Paxton and Brian Thompson as the punks (and they could use CGI to make them look younger)
- Use the scenes of T1 instead recreating all of them.

There´s a plot hole when Sarah and Kyle travels to 2019 because until then they didn´t have sex to make the baby John. It would be cool if Sarah made sex to him in a very mechanical way just to be impregnated. It would contrast with the scene in T1 where they made sex because they really loved each other.

It would be a movie to close the franchise and to celebrate it at the same time.

I like the concept behind "Terminator: Genisys".

"The Terminator" was about Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese fighting to save the original timeline so that things would happen the same way in the future, and humans would still win the war against Skynet. "Terminator 2" was about Sarah Connor, John Connor, and a benevolent Terminator deciding to prevent the war from even happening. "Genisys" moves this concept further, with Sarah Connor gaining knowledge of Skynet and deciding to prevent the war before ever getting impregnated with John, turning her fight against Skynet into a dual battle for humankind's future and her ability to live her life as she wants it, free of pre-determination. I think it was the perfect direction to end the franchise on (emphasis on end). I just think they messed up the execution.

In my opinion, the things that most needed changing are the following:

- No sequel-bait. End the movie with Skynet (and John Connor) prevented from existing, once and for all, and Sarah Connor free to live a normal, everyday life.

- Have the new timeline of the movie come to exist in a way that's consistent with the first two movies. In the movie as-is, Kyle Reese is going through the time machine just like in the original, when something suddenly goes awry, changing the timeline. But this makes no sense, because it happens in the same timeframe that Kyle's transport to the past happened in the original, so everything should have happened the same as before. 

- Better casting. First of all, I have no idea how anyone thought it was a good idea to cast Jai Courtney as Kyle Reese. It's one of the worst pieces of miscasting in years. The perfect actor for the role would have been Sebastian Stan, who not only physically resembles Michael Biehn, but is also brilliant at playing war-weary, raggedy fighters. As for Emilia Clarke, she would have been perfect for a 1970s teenage version of Sarah Connor (which is what I had thought she was playing when I first saw the trailer), but she looks too baby-faced for a 1984 Sarah Connor. (I know that Emilia Clarke was about the same age when she played Sarah Connor as Linda Hamilton was when she was in the original, but she didn't look it.) Also, putting aside looks, the version of Sarah Connor that she is playing has been trained for years by "Pops", so she's supposed to be seasoned and tough. Emilia Clarke tries to act tough in the role, but she isn't too convincing in my opinion. I think Hayley Atwell would have been a good choice. She has just barely enough of a facial resemblance to Linda Hamilton to pull it off with the right makeup, looked close enough, age-wise, to how Linda Hamilton looked in the original at the time "Genisys" was made, and could definitely pull off the toughness aspect of the character.

I perrrrrfectly agree!
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