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Star Trek Discovery

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Latest trailer has dropped....

I was very critical of season one, but this newest trailer reignites my hope in a better second season....

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKf7pyxa1w[/video]

Klingons with hair!  A classic D7 cruiser!  Holy course correction captain!  :p
 

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I just wish Netflix UK would show the Short Trek episodes i hope they will prior to season 2 arriving in January
 

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SHORT TREKS:

"RUNAWAY" -- exploring the always watchable and entertaining Tilly's background.  Some sloppy writing.  I think the producers tried to play with viewers expectations by copying PREDATOR sound effect and cloaking effect, but the ultimate alien reveal was underwhelming.  Also the ending with the transporter was confusing, since the starship geography was never firmly established... Kelvin style interplanetary teleportation???  6 out of 10.

"CALYPSO" -- Beautiful. Lyrical.  A fairy tale love story.  My only nitpick, if you establish the Discovery still exist 1000 years in the future, it removes a certain amount of tension for any and all future storylines.  9 out of 10.

"THE BRIGHTEST STAR" -- Saru's backstory revealed.  Not exactly what I expected based on Saru's comments in season one, but Doug Jone's performance is wonderful and holds your attention.  8 out of 10.
 

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I didn't watch the show beyond the pilot that aired on actual television here in the States, but I recieved the Blu-Ray set as a gift.  Idk when i'll actually get around to watching it, still working my way through DS9 (about halfway through S6) and my brother is just dying for me to watch My Hero Academia with him.
 

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SHORT TREKS:

"THE ESCAPE ARTIST" -- we get a look into the scheming mind of Harry Mudd.  It had some nice laughs.  Wilson definitely brings a darker edge to the character than Carmel, which I still can not decide if I like or not.  It was nice to see some TOS aliens... Tellerites and Orions.   The story has neat twist ending that is slight nod to the classic episode "I, Mudd".  
7 out of 10 for me.

Less than 2 weeks til the season two premiere.
 

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Canon Editor said:
This article may be of interest here...

https://comicbook.com/startrek/2019/01/12/star-trek-discovery-canon-alex-kurtzman/

It seems reasonable to me.  It becomes difficult when you have so much "external" material (such as novels, graphic novels).  You either decanonize everything, like Lucasfilm did in 2012, or try the middle ground at cost of violating some of the rules.

Canon.  

A subject that leads to endless debates with fans.

For me, it's very simple.  If its on screen, it's canon.
Books, comics, video games... no matter what the producer may say at the time... are not canon.

Are there Trek books I love and wish they were part of official canon?  Absolutely.  But I know they are not and I don't get upset when those  novel elements are ignored or contradicted in the series or movie proper.

And I am even okay when canon episodes are given soft retro-cons.  TOS episode "Turnabout Intruder" suggests there are no women Starship captains.   Which was insanely sexist even in 69 when it aired and would completely contradict the principles of the Federation.  It is a statement that has re-interpretted by fans (Lester specifically was not eligible for Captaincy or no Captains as yet of a Constitution Class starship as suggested in STC) and future Trek writers, as Starship Captains have been seen in Enterprise and Discovery.

But when producers decide to outright contradict established on-screen canon and continuity "for the story's sake", I take that as disrepectful to longtime fans and as a display sheer laziness/lack of creativity by the production team.   

Season one of Discovery, while entertaining, was a frustrating viewing experience for me in terms of canon.  No matter what the producers say, there is nothing in that season that can make be reconcile that it takes place in the Prime Timeline.  And I am fine with that.  If the production team just has the balls to outright say this is a full on reboot/alternate universe, I could enjoy the show much more.  Until then,  I go into season two very wary.

:p
 

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I don't believe in canon, official or personal. The concept's an albatross around the neck with a ball and chain at its foot.
 

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I won't stand for any badmouthing of Cannon.

 

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Duragizer said:
I don't believe in canon, official or personal. The concept's an albatross around the neck with a ball and chain attached it its foot.

:huh:


I do not understand this in the slightest.  Could you clarify?

Any story, be it a 12 volume epic saga or a single 5 page short story, has a canon.

Canon is a set of in-universe rules and history,  it is one of the key foundations of storytelling, be it fiction or historical.

You don't write a story set in World War Two and have your character use iPhones or say Roosevelt was not the US President... 
(unless you are Harry Turtledove LOL)  :rolleyes:
 

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bionicbob said:
Duragizer said:
I don't believe in canon, official or personal. The concept's an albatross around the neck with a ball and chain attached it its foot.

:huh:


I do not understand this in the slightest.  Could you clarify?

Any story, be it a 12 volume epic saga or a single 5 page short story, has a canon.

Canon is a set of in-universe rules and history,  it is one of the key foundations of storytelling, be it fiction or historical.

You don't write a story set in World War Two and have your character use iPhones or say Roosevelt was not the US President... 
(unless you are Harry Turtledove LOL)  :rolleyes:

Perhaps it's my Surrealist/Postmodernist sensibilities showing, but I don't really care about any of that, certainly not when it comes to fiction. I don't care if Klingons had smooth foreheads in TOS and ridged foreheads in TMP+; I don't care if Yoda was Obi-Wan's master in the OT and Qui-Gon was Obi-Wan's master in the PT; I don't care that the Highlander sequels contradict the ending of the original film and each other; I don't care about the various discrepancies between the Evil Dead films and TV show. In my POV, quality and tone matter more than continuity.
 

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Duragizer said:
bionicbob said:
Duragizer said:
I don't believe in canon, official or personal. The concept's an albatross around the neck with a ball and chain attached it its foot.

:huh:


I do not understand this in the slightest.  Could you clarify?

Any story, be it a 12 volume epic saga or a single 5 page short story, has a canon.

Canon is a set of in-universe rules and history,  it is one of the key foundations of storytelling, be it fiction or historical.

You don't write a story set in World War Two and have your character use iPhones or say Roosevelt was not the US President... 
(unless you are Harry Turtledove LOL)  :rolleyes:

Perhaps it's my Surrealist/Postmodernist sensibilities showing, but I don't really care about any of that, certainly not when it comes to fiction. I don't care if Klingons had smooth foreheads in TOS and ridged foreheads in TMP+; I don't care if Yoda was Obi-Wan's master in the OT and Qui-Gon was Obi-Wan's master in the PT; I don't care that the Highlander sequels contradict the ending of the original film and each other; I don't care about the various discrepancies between the Evil Dead films and TV show. In my POV, quality and tone matter more than continuity.

American Graffiti is ruined by the fact that a movie theater is showing Dementia 13, even though the setting of Graffiti is 1962, a year prior to the release of Dementia.
 

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I agree to a certain extent, @"Duragizer" .  What I mean is, that continuity can be contradicted for the narrative's, for the characters' inside that narrative, but not for their own sake.
 

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I would argue continuity is part of quality.

But my point was I care when the creator of somethings says something is canon, even when the evidence on screen clearly contradicts their statement.
But maybe you are right, maybe I care too much.

To each their own.  ;)
 

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I would argue continuity is part of quality.

To each their own.  ;)

Oh, I agree!  But if a story can be better because of it, then be it.    :D
 

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Oh, I agree!  But if a story can be better because of it, then be it.    :D

Perhaps.

I guess it comes down to the old argument, just because you CAN do something, SHOULD you?

If I can write a fantastic Star Trek story that will win the hearts and minds of new Trek viewers,  even though this same story will openly contradict/negate a previously well established respected story loved by old fans, I should definitely do it?

Or can I write the same original amazing new story but have it build upon the past rather than ignore it, honouring the franchise as whole while paving new ground?

One path is easier and gives an immediate pay off, the other is harder but in the long run more rewarding.

Too many people these days seem to do things simply because they can, never questioning if they should until after the consequences.

But then then again what do I know?  Just another grumpy old fanboy....
 

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suspiciouscoffee said:
Duragizer said:
bionicbob said:
Duragizer said:
I don't believe in canon, official or personal. The concept's an albatross around the neck with a ball and chain attached it its foot.

:huh:


I do not understand this in the slightest.  Could you clarify?

Any story, be it a 12 volume epic saga or a single 5 page short story, has a canon.

Canon is a set of in-universe rules and history,  it is one of the key foundations of storytelling, be it fiction or historical.

You don't write a story set in World War Two and have your character use iPhones or say Roosevelt was not the US President... 
(unless you are Harry Turtledove LOL)  :rolleyes:

Perhaps it's my Surrealist/Postmodernist sensibilities showing, but I don't really care about any of that, certainly not when it comes to fiction. I don't care if Klingons had smooth foreheads in TOS and ridged foreheads in TMP+; I don't care if Yoda was Obi-Wan's master in the OT and Qui-Gon was Obi-Wan's master in the PT; I don't care that the Highlander sequels contradict the ending of the original film and each other; I don't care about the various discrepancies between the Evil Dead films and TV show. In my POV, quality and tone matter more than continuity.

American Graffiti is ruined by the fact that a movie theater is showing Dementia 13, even though the setting of Graffiti is 1962, a year prior to the release of Dementia.

But Dementia 13 is ruined by the non-existence of Dementia 2-12, so it all balances out.
 

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bionicbob said:
Canon Editor said:
Oh, I agree!  But if a story can be better because of it, then be it.    :D

Perhaps.

I guess it comes down to the old argument, just because you CAN do something, SHOULD you?

If I can write a fantastic Star Trek story that will win the hearts and minds of new Trek viewers,  even though this same story will openly contradict/negate a previously well established respected story loved by old fans, I should definitely do it?

Or can I write the same original amazing new story but have it build upon the past rather than ignore it, honouring the franchise as whole while paving new ground?

One path is easier and gives an immediate pay off, the other is harder but in the long run more rewarding.

Too many people these days seem to do things simply because they can, never questioning if they should until after the consequences.

But then then again what do I know?  Just another grumpy old fanboy....

Well, I agree.
 

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Wow!  Wow oh WoW!

Just finished the season two premiere, "Brother"....

Of course I need to rewatch before really over analyzing it or nit picking (lol) but on first watch, this was highly entertaining!

Anson Mount was great as Captain Pike!  Very charming, a cross between Archer and Kirk.

The bridge crew finally all get names! 

We get a much better look at the Enterprise, it essentially seems to be the Motion Picture version but with TOS nacelles.  It looks great imo.

Tig Notaro as engineer Jet Reno (now that's a name!!!) was hilarious, hope she is sticking around!

The pacing was a runaway train, so I am still not clear on the whole set up mystery of the "signal" they are investigating.

The Spock/Burnham relationship mystery is intriguing.... but please, please, PLEASE don't have it turn out they were foster siblings and LOVERS!!!! :s

While we don't see new Spock in this episode, we do get to hear Ethan Peck's voice, and I was quite impressed, he captures Nimoy's inflection very well, much better than Quinto.

Visually still beautiful and cinematic!  The scoring was excellent as well.

All in all, a wonderful and exciting season premiere, that has seemingly course corrected many of the issues from last season.
 

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bionicbob said:
Anson Mount was great as Captain Pike!

Tig Notaro as engineer Jet Reno

You're making these names up.

UK Netflix is saying the episode will be available sometime today. Looking forward to it.
 
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