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Effects of a Cut: A Fanediting Experiment with 'The Hateful Eight'
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This is the discussion thread for Effects of a Cut: A Fanediting Experiment with 'The Hateful Eight'. Post away!
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#2
Nice exercise, cuddly. Thanks for sharing!
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#3
I think you must go on with the tracks of Carpenter......
Great in that scene!
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#4
fanediting class is in session! thanks, courtesanninja, for the exercises.

each of the five videos was different and illustrated the wide potential of editing and remixing.
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Thank you all for the kind words. I kinda want to really investigate some horror tracks for my upcoming Hateful Eight edit. Not a lot but it worked better than I thought it would in that clip.
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I get the point of the exercises, but I am not sure if the editing itself is all that well executed. 
At the very least, the part where Ruth demands to see paperwork should be retained for continuity purposes. 

Cutting all that material in-between causes a notable continuity error - without re-watching the original scene, I could tell that Kurt Russell's character suddenly had glasses on and Marquis was much closer to him spatially. 

Second, it doesn't work well with Tarantino's intended pacing - numerous scenes are deliberately drawn out, as though the film were a stage play, while information is often repeated. 

Third, it makes Ruth considerably more trusting of Marquis from the start, which is inconsistent with his character and the general theme of distrust.
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(05-21-2016, 01:07 AM)Neosmith Wrote: I get the point of the exercises, but I am not sure if the editing itself is all that well executed.

I disagree.

Quote:At the very least, the part where Ruth demands to see paperwork should be retained for continuity purposes. 

Cutting all that material in-between causes a notable continuity error - without re-watching the original scene, I could tell that Kurt Russell's character suddenly had glasses on and Marquis was much closer to him spatially. 

At the end of the article he mentioned that the editing caused a continuity error. Did you actually read the whole article or just watch the videos?

Quote:Second, it doesn't work well with Tarantino's intended pacing - numerous scenes are deliberately drawn out, as though the film were a stage play, while information is often repeated.

Again, this was covered in the article. Ninja stated clearly that the edits were not necessarily meant to make anything better, just different. Tarantino didn't intend for the film to be fanedited to begin with. In fact, I don't think any director has intended their film to be fanedited.

Quote:Third, it makes Ruth considerably more trusting of Marquis from the start, which is inconsistent with his character and the general theme of distrust.

Context is everything. In the edited scenes, the conversation about the two bounty hunters meeting right months prior was retained. They already knew each other. But the point of the exercise is to show how different the same scene can be by editing it in different ways. Which is exactly what it did.
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Quote:At the end of the article he mentioned that the editing caused a continuity error. Did you actually read the whole article or just watch the videos?
I read everything up to the final two paragraphs, so I admittedly missed that point. 

Though, on the other hand, the paragraph doesn't actually specify the error - and the final video actually creates another error - namely, that Ruth refers to Warren as a bounty hunter, even though the moment, where he recognizes who he is, has been removed. 

Quote:Again, this was covered in the article. Ninja stated clearly that the edits were not necessarily meant to make anything better, just different. Tarantino didn't intend for the film to be fanedited to begin with. In fact, I don't think any director has intended their film to be fanedited.
I never state that the idea is to improve the scene. Nor do I state that Tarantino intended the scene to be fanedited - that would be absurd.

What I point out is that the cut here has other effects that are not considered by the editor.  

In this case, the new version of the scene becomes rhythmically distinct from many other scenes, which are deliberately protracted - so cutting this scene in such a way would arguably require revisiting a lot of other sequences in the film for the sake of consistency and pace. 

On a side note, there is actually a film that has been released to the public to be fan edited, which is called The Tracy Fragments. Its director and producer made all the footage shot for the picture available for download, so that fans could make their own versions.

Quote:Context is everything. In the edited scenes, the conversation about the two bounty hunters meeting right months prior was retained. They already knew each other. 
I'm not saying this wasn't retained - but the whole thing with the paperwork establishes that even though Ruth recognizes Marquis, he is still extremely suspicious. He only gradually comes to trust him over the course of this scene - it's almost a mini-character arc - and skipping that beat lessens the character and creates potential consistency issues.  

Quote:But the point of the exercise is to show how different the same scene can be by editing it in different ways. Which is exactly what it did.
I stated upfront that I get the point of the exercise. Does this mean I can't critique the results?
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What is the critique? All I got from it is that the continuity error that I pointed out bugged you. It was one scene in one day, the editing is rough. But when you say that these cuts cause character beats to be missed and this changes the rest of the movie, you are basically restating the point of the whole exercise. In the last video, there is no error that I caught. I would assume the Hangman would understand that a dude with a couple dead bodies is a bounty hunter.

Saying that it'll create continuity errors with the rest of the movie kinda misses the point of the exercise, though.

Regardless, I appreciate your watching and giving your opinion.
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I really enjoyed this piece and hope that we'll see more of this sort of article on the site regularly. I think there's a lot of material out there that can cover technical details, but there's not so much about understanding things like mood and pace.

I'd also be interested in seeing/reading bits from editors discussing how they accomplish specific things in their edits. I'm not sure how easy or time-consuming those pieces might be to prepare, though...
Currently underway: Aberrant  - A Disturbing Behaviour double feature |
Planning/in preparation: Scott Pilgrim Vs The World - 11 Evil Exes Edition v2 | The Shadow Over Innsmouth (Dagon) v2| Eurotrip: The Long Way Round v2
Completed: IFDB Listing | Ideas thread
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