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Moe_Syzlak said:
4k TV's are quickly coming down in price. I recently saw a 55" Samsung for US$1700. I imagine that would make 1080p look better, but there's still no real Ultra HD content, right? Are there consumer players yet?

No... I don't think they've released 4K Blu-Ray yet. Not sure if BR is even capable. I do know Netflix is starting to stream some of their content in 4K, and a handful of channels have 4K version (mostly sports), but that's it as far as I know.
 

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Doesn't sound like there will be a 4K Blu-Ray format anytime soon. TechRadar Article

More likely 4K will be digital streaming only, unless someone wants to create a new physical media that rivals Blu-Ray but I suspect no one wants that after the entire HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray fiasco.
 

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4k hasn't wowed me like HD did. The first time I saw HD it felt like looking through a window; it was simply SO much better than SD. With 4k, I've felt like "yeah it's sharper I guess. *shrug*."

/derail
 

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Moe_Syzlak said:
4k hasn't wowed me like HD did. The first time I saw HD it felt like looking through a window; it was simply SO much better than SD. With 4k, I've felt like "yeah it's sharper I guess. *shrug*."

/derail

It depends on how big your screen is and how far you are sitting away from it. I can still detect pixels on a 2K screen/source from a foot away so I guess 4k would eliminate that if it ever becomes a physical format. But I can't see it looking that different from across the room (I may be wrong). A new 4K format seems unlikely because studios would much rather lease you a film on a temporary basis for £7, than let you own the film forever for £10. But streaming 4K and upwards also seems unlikely to widely catch on, from where I sit. My internet can barely cope with streaming regular HD! (Or on a bad day SD).

I love the physical The Criterion unique artwork, thick extensive booklets, grade-A presentations and genorous bonus content. But clearly I'm in the minority as more people seem to want to rent films digitally to watch on their smartphones.

Re the commentaries. You are right they did do loads of them before and less now. Just because Lynch might not want to do one isn't a reason not to include that feature. Get a film historian to do it... Sir Christopher Frayling's commentaries of Leone's Westerns are outstanding and Scorsese and Bogdanovich's commentaries for other peoples films are great too. Director's aren't always the best narrator's of their work, I'd avoid William Friedkin's commentaries, for example.
 

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It's going to be slow and gradual, but eventually 1080 TVs will fade out (like SD ones have) and everyone will have 4K TVs. By then, physical media will be gone near. Everyone's saying it's going to happen, and the jump to 4K will likely be the nail in the coffin.

But I don't think there will only be streaming - I expect digital downloads will be very popular as well.

I seem to remember reading something about digitally downloading 4K movies onto a Sony 4K TV I saw in Best Buy one day. By the way, the TV looked amazing, but Moe's right, the difference doesn't seem to be as shocking as SD to HD. Probably because, even on a rather large TV, you probably won't be able to notice the difference in resolution above 4K. So while there's a clear difference between SD and HD, there isn't between HD and 4K, because it's starting to get to a point where the human eye can't tell the difference. This is why it's going to take a long time for 1080 to phase out and for 4K to come in.
 

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4K will make a huge difference for huge TVs. I have a 40 inch Samsung 1080p TV, and at couch distance (in my case 3.5 metres) I'm pretty sure the rewards of 4K would be few. The difference between 720p and 1080p is barely noticeable from that distance already - in fact, compression artifacts are a bigger problem (and at super-high resolution streaming it will continue to be unless everyone gets ridiculous fiber internet).

At 80 inches, however, the rewards of 4K would be huge. The reason I don't have a TV bigger than 40 inches is that even with the best possible tech, 1080p for a TV will still be a quite low DPI (and lower the bigger it gets). If I'm sitting at 1 metre distance, bluray already looks pretty bad and DVD looks bloody awful. (My LG G Pad has the same resolution on an 8.3 inch screen, and it obviously looks ridiculously sharp even at a distance of 10 centimetres.)

My conclusion: unless I suddenly get an urge to buy a huge-ass TV, 1080p is good enough for me. (And I'm happily dancing on DVD's grave.)
 

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I have a huge ass TV. We have set up a home theater with an 8' screen. Blu ray looks better thsn cable (both 720 & 1080 sources) on it, but not significantly. I'm sure 4k would look better, but I'm not clamoring for it. Unfortunately we're selling this house so no more theater for me soon anyway. :(
 

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I have a 42" right now. Not that I can afford a new tv, but if I could I'd probably max out at 50". Don't have enough room for anything bigger. When that time comes I'm guessing 4k will be standard.
 

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lots of good points so far. I think we're a ways off from mass 4k implementation, for a number of reasons. First, many people won't notice the gain in clarity. There clearly is a market though, as home theaters are becoming more common.

That said, I think we are seeing a start in the eventual extinction of physical media. More people are streaming or purchasing digital copies. However, we just don't have the ability to stream content of this size to people.
 

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Q2 said:
Doesn't sound like there will be a 4K Blu-Ray format anytime soon. TechRadar Article

More likely 4K will be digital streaming only, unless someone wants to create a new physical media that rivals Blu-Ray but I suspect no one wants that after the entire HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray fiasco.

There already is a physical media that is superior to Blu-ray. It's called SDXC.

It will be a long time before 4K becomes popular. Video games always lead the pack in digital technology and since the latest generation of consoles is still only 1080p, you're looking at probably at least a good 10 years before 4k has a 30% market share. Only then are you going to actually see media publishers throwing any money behind 4K.
 

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Ken Poirier said:
There already is a physical media that is superior to Blu-ray. It's called SDXC.

It will be a long time before 4K becomes popular. Video games always lead the pack in digital technology and since the latest generation of consoles is still only 1080p, you're looking at probably at least a good 10 years before 4k has a 30% market share. Only then are you going to actually see media publishers throwing any money behind 4K.

And even the latest batch of consoles are having trouble rendering at true 1080p. Some games are upscaled from lower resolutions, typically 1600X900. And as far as I'm aware, there aren't any TV stations that broadcast in 1080p. It's mostly 1080i, with a few 720p networks in the mix. Some channels are still in SD. Add in the sheer compression that has to go in to get HD media streaming at a reasonable rate, and I just don't see 4K being a viable release platform in the near future. Now, a direct download service - something akin to Itunes - may be workable. But as it stands, I just don't see the resolution becoming anything but a niche anytime soon.
 

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Ken Poirier said:
It will be a long time before 4K becomes popular. Video games always lead the pack in digital technology and since the latest generation of consoles is still only 1080p, you're looking at probably at least a good 10 years before 4k has a 30% market share. Only then are you going to actually see media publishers throwing any money behind 4K.

I'm going to disagree. Porn leads the way in technology, not consoles. They lead the way with VHS vs Betamax, nearly half the internet is porn related, and they went with BR over HD-DVD. The porn industry is very good at driving how we consume our media with technology.

As for consoles, both XBox 360 and PS3 were HD systems, XBox HD-DVD and PS3 Blu-Ray, yet both stuck to 720p. Only with the latest consoles are they taking advantage of 1080p. If they were leading the way then why did they wait to start using 1080p until now, nearly eight years later?
 

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ThrowgnCpr said:
Porn also leads the way at Q2's house.

Based on advice from [MENTION=9578]Neglify[/MENTION], I plead the fifth so as not to incriminate myself.
 

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I have seen Q2's porn collection and was surprised to find it was nothing but Q2 fanedits. All in 4K.
 

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Neglify said:
I have seen Q2's porn collection and was surprised to find it was nothing but Q2 fanedits. All in 4K.

I reserve the 4k edits for me and a select few. You ain't seen The Happening until you've seen it in 4k glory.
 

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Q2 said:
...me and a select few.

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