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Disney planning to buy Fox - TomH1138 - 01-04-2018

So you've probably all heard about this by now, but I didn't see a thread for it, so even though this news story is about a month old, I still think it's worth discussing. 

Unsurprisingly, when the news broke, the first thing that most people focused on was an obvious positive: that the X-Men and the Fantastic Four could finally be brought into the MCU. But most people talked about seeing Hugh Jackman as Wolverine standing alongside Cap and Iron Man, but that was never gonna happen. 1) Just as with Spider-Man, I'm certain that Marvel is going to reboot the franchise. 2) Hugh Jackman has confirmed that he's still retired from the role after Logan. (And honestly, Logan was a huge critical and financial hit. How many actors get to go out on top like that?)

Anyway, only about half the X-Men movies are good, and there hasn't been a truly amazing FF film. The quality level should go up when they're Feige-produced.

The other positive is that Disney would be able to fully own all the Star Wars movies. Five of those films -- from Empire to Revenge of the Sith -- were going to be owned by the Mouse House after 2020 anyway, but the original 1977 movie was always going to be owned by Fox. Mainly this is a positive for Disney itself; for the average moviegoer, this is more of an interesting legal footnote.

Anyway, if Disney were just buying a few characters and some films, I think the story would end here. But I've seen very few articles or online talk about the fact that Disney isn't just buying a few properties; they're buying an entire studio. There are some interesting and weird repercussions for that.

--For years, many people have mistakenly thought that Anastasia was a Disney princess, because the Fox-produced Don Bluth film was made very much in the same style as the movies coming out from Disney at that point. Animation fans have spent years correcting that error; now it might actually come true. Whether or not we’ll see her at the parks standing alongside Cinderella and Mulan is up for debate, but it would technically be possible.

I expect that the Fox-owned Blue Sky animation studio will probably shutter its doors, although I can see Disney using the lucrative Ice Age franchise to their benefit.

--Disney already owns a quarter of the characters at the Universal theme park in Florida, since their licensing arrangement to use Marvel characters predates the sale to Disney. If the Fox sale goes through, then Universal’s new Simpsons-themed area will also feature characters licensed from Disney. At that point, roughly half the park will be Disney-licensed.

And even though it must bother Universal on some level to support Disney, they aren’t going to tear up a brand-new expensive area to the park. Indeed, after the Marvel sale, Universal doubled down and refurbished some of the rides, as if to taunt Disney for being unable to use those characters in their own park.

--People seem to think that we’re going to see just as many X-Men films as we currently do; they’re just going to be of better quality. I don’t. Fox has a reason to keep making movies as a standalone studio, but Disney would just be competing against itself if it releases too many films in a year. Not only do I think we’re about to get half the amount of Marvel-related movies that we’re currently getting, but I think that most movies released under the Fox banner will go away, period.

--The Fox Network, as well as the news and sports divisions, will continue to operate as a separate entity. That raises a question I’ve not heard asked by anyone else: Who gets the logo?

If the networks get to retain the logo, then Disney gets a vast library of films that they can’t distribute under their family-friendly branding, such as the Alien and Predator films and the Die Hard movies. A possible solution is to have all of these films rebranded under the Touchstone logo. Touchstone has already become a husk of its former self, mainly serving as a distribution house for DreamWorks live-action films over the last few years (and DreamWorks moves over to Universal this year).

If Disney gets the Fox logo, then there will probably be at least one noticeable positive change: Star Wars Ep. IX could debut with the Fox Fanfare finally back in place.

--I read somewhere that the FCC (?) is investigating this sale and whether or not it violates antitrust laws. That’s a good thing. While this wouldn’t be a monopoly, our entertainment industry is getting close to an oligopoly, where just a few companies own everything. Disney-Fox would own a third of the entire entertainment industry. But competition is a healthy thing economically, and we need room for independent voices in the media.

So the deal may not go through after all. However, I read one article that said this would be “the sixth largest media merger ever”—meaning that there are five other larger mergers that already got approved.

Anyway, those are my ramblings on the subject. What does everyone else think?


RE: Disney planning to buy Fox - theryaney - 01-04-2018

Yeah, this news is pretty old, though still interesting to sprout discussions here in our community. 

Can I just point out one more time that Disney is seriously biting off major studios, and I think it's not more that it can chew. I won't be surprised with an entertainment world all owned by Disney.

But I am anticipating mutants in the MCU. It'll be pretty interesting how they would introduce them out of the blue though.


RE: Disney planning to buy Fox - Sinbad - 01-04-2018

Pretty simple one for me Fox have been at the helm of some of my favourite franchises in the past Alien, Die Hard, The Apes films, X-men the list goes on. Can't think of anything from Disney/Touchstone that  I personally have any great love for, while the Alien and Die Hard franchises have fallen on hard times of late, the idea of Disney tackling them doesn't sound too enticing


RE: Disney planning to buy Fox - Zamros - 01-04-2018

Quote:we’re about to get half the amount of Marvel-related movies that we’re currently getting.

I really hope this happens. It's not that I don't want to see more Marvel films, more that I want to see more GREAT Marvel films.

Quality over quantity etc.

While I like the idea of the Fantastic Four (and Deadpool) joining the MCU. I'm a little ambivalent to the X-Men joining as well. I think mutants work better as a separate entity, as it's easier to double down on social commentary of prejudice when there aren't personified contradictions flying around New York City.

Deadpool is Deadpool, so there is no reason for him to obey the same laws as any comic medium. He could show up in the next DCEU flop and it would make sense in context.

I'm also extremely concerned about the increasing oligopolisation of the american movie industry. Especially as oligopolies can form monopolies within certain subsectors. Now Disney owns Fox, who is competing with Marvel? Warner Bros seem aggressively incompetent. Without a credible opposition, Marvel has no reason to change what they're doing.

If nothing else, this sale has made me lose all faith in the Hollywood studio establishment. And I was already scraping from the bottom of my faith barrel.
It's getting harder and harder to justify paying to see the same blockbuster with a different coat of paint, when there's so many vastly superior independent films I could be spending my money on.

Jodie Foster said that superhero films are bad for the industry, (and although she erroneously compared it to fracking, wtf) I'm starting to agree with her.


RE: Disney planning to buy Fox - The Scribbling Man - 01-04-2018

I'm so tired of the MCU. One of the things I like about X-Men is that it's not tied into it. It stands apart, has a different tone and generally seems to be of better quality. I hate how there seems to be this current trend with Super Hero movies where everything has to be connected. It's definitely quantity over quality.

If X-Men were part of MCU, you wouldn't get films like Logan, that's for sure. And for me, Logan is easily one of best films in the X-Men franchise.


RE: Disney planning to buy Fox - ThrowgnCpr - 01-04-2018

(01-04-2018, 01:44 PM)The Scribbling Man Wrote: If X-Men were part of MCU, you wouldn't get films like Logan, that's for sure. And for me, Logan is easily one of best films in the X-Men franchise.

^ This, and I would take it a step further and say that Logan is easily one of the best films based on comic book characters.


RE: Disney planning to buy Fox - Sinbad - 01-04-2018

(01-04-2018, 01:44 PM)The Scribbling Man Wrote: I hate how there seems to be this current trend with Super Hero movies where everything has to be connected. It's definitely quantity over quality.

Ditto I remember watching Ant-man (which worked pretty well as an incredible shrinking man/heist movie) grind to a halt halfway through to factor itself into the MCU, it really took me out of the film up to that point I was just enjoying it for what it was. The new Avengers movies look very cool from a 'everything including the kitchen sink marvel property wise is gonna be included guys' perspective, but I question if they will be able to tell a half decent story inbetween all the CGI setpieces with so many characters to juggle.


RE: Disney planning to buy Fox - TVs Frink - 01-04-2018

I'm just excited for Fox News to become Disney News.


RE: Disney planning to buy Fox - Moe_Syzlak - 01-04-2018

(01-04-2018, 01:50 PM)ThrowgnCpr Wrote:
(01-04-2018, 01:44 PM)The Scribbling Man Wrote: If X-Men were part of MCU, you wouldn't get films like Logan, that's for sure. And for me, Logan is easily one of best films in the X-Men franchise.

^ This, and I would take it a step further and say that Logan is easily one of the best films based on comic book characters.
While I didn’t love Logan as much as some of you, I thought it was the best superhero movie to date. And that includes the Nolan Batman movies. This genre is not my wheelhouse, but I tend to agree the Jodie Foster sentiment stated above (for the record, the above reference is all I know of Foster’s opinions on superhero movies). It seems they are more formulaic than ever. I was kind of won over in the beginning with Iron Man, but even that seems to have simply been RDJr.’s charm more than anything for me. There’s nothing inherently wrong with a formula. But I think if you’re going to churn out formulaic movies that are decent popcorn entertainment that people will buy tickets for, you’re doomed to see few, if any, really great movies. As they say, good is the enemy of great.


RE: Disney planning to buy Fox - Gaith - 01-04-2018

Yeah, there's really no part of this I like - not the increasing market domination of the Disney behemoth, not the prospect of bringing mutants into the MCU when it already has Inhumans and the X-Men work just fine on their own (heck, I don't even think Batman and Superman should mix), and I certainly don't care about the Fantastic Four or whether the Fox logo opens a Star Wars movie... but, compared to the massive 1% tax cut, this isn't even close to the worst thing going on in the corporate world at the moment. Undecided