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Just thought I'd say I already started preliminary work on the serialized edits for this series (at least with temporary HDTV rips (only usable source ATM), the final being Bluray sourced obviously). I'm almost done with a rough cut of the pilot. I'll be posting a new thread in the in-the-works section sometime very soon.

The pilot is turning out to be much improved, but IMO not entirely salvageable. The second episode is already becoming something much closer in quality to the one-shots, maybe even the films. I also started work on a new color grade to give it a far more cinematic look which helps the series, a huge amount.

Again, more info when I post the new thread soon.
This show is utterly boring. I'm sorry, but I think Whedon's time as a tv giant has come and gone, his style is so cliche and dated and as someone in here said, there are shows with much more brilliance and original flavor in their writing such as Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones. Marvel's tv output, at least these days, normally does tend to stink, as anyone who's seen their recent crop of crappy cartoons can attest, they need to step up their game, they may be the flavor of the month when it comes to movies, but they're ripe for a fall and I hope they eat humble pie if this show gets axed. I really don't like Marvel all that much and I'm looking for them to fail.
Zarius Wrote:This show is utterly boring.

Quote:I really don't like Marvel all that much and I'm looking for them to fail.

:-|
Way to generalize. You really don't like anything about the show? It's all boring?

I mean, in my opinion, it's not boring at all and is freaking fantastic. The only thing I don't like or excuse is Skye's character acting very ditzy despite allegedly being a "genius". That's my problem I have with a certain type of character that pops up frequently in television. Other than that, I've been sucked in and am along for the ride now.

If you don't mind my asking, why do you feel the way you do about the show/Marvel? Your feelings about the show are obviously connected to your opinion of the company.
Zarius Wrote:I really don't like Marvel all that much and I'm looking for them to fail.

For a brief moment, I was taking you seriously, but then I read the above quote. It's a network show, comparing it to Breaking Bad or Game Of Thrones is pointless. It could possibly be compared to Warehouse 13, Smallville or the Stargate shows.
^ This. Obviously, given the constraints of its existence within the MCU and its need to recoup high production costs, expecting something groundbreaking or even edgy is just silly. It's a lighthearted popcorn entertainment show; if that's not to your interests, nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make it crap.

I myself am not sure how much lasting potential this series has, and could definitely see an ideal run being only 2-3 seasons long. That said, it's certainly off to a fun start.
Third episode in, and it's still getting better. This episode there was some better dialogue and less cringe-worthy moments, improving upon episode 2. However, all the cheesy and annoying callbacks and references are getting tiring. Though I like when they actually joke at a cliche or cheesy line. Also, for once the characters are starting to become just barely likeable, though there's still a lot further to go.

For all I know, this series might just have started really badly. And by the time, we get a few seasons in it becomes virtually perfection, much like how the Clone Wars started off terribly, but it wasn't till the final arc of the series, that it reached something truly awesome.

Oddly, enough the IGN reviews for the episodes are actually going down. Did they really like the horrifically bad pilot that much?
When I rewatch past Wheadon series, Buffy, Angel and Dollhouse, they all had very uneven first seasons. Only Firefly felt fully formed out of the gate but then was totally messed with by the Network by airing the eps out of order.

I like the character stuff and how each episode builds upon/references the previous. There is a lacking energy to the actual missions -- to me it just does not feel quite epic or driven enough.

I have to admit, I find Agent Ward completely bland and miscast. I keep hoping they are going to pull a Doyle with his character.

Other than that, I still enjoying the series for it is clear they are building towards a bigger a story. So I will keep watching.
bionicbob Wrote:When I rewatch past Wheadon series, Buffy, Angel and Dollhouse, they all had very uneven first seasons. Only Firefly felt fully formed out of the gate but then was totally messed with by the Network by airing the eps out of order.

I like the character stuff and how each episode builds upon/references the previous. There is a lacking energy to the actual missions -- to me it just does not feel quite epic or driven enough.

I have to admit, I find Agent Ward completely bland and miscast. I keep hoping they are going to pull a Doyle with his character.

Other than that, I still enjoying the series for it is clear they are building towards a bigger a story. So I will keep watching.

I agree. The actors aren't exactly world class actors that can turn shit into sunshine and draw me in as an audience, but it might help if the writers would give them a little more sunshine. So far I am really enjoying the narrative, but the dialogue isn't the greatest and the show isn't emotionally grabbing me.

I kinda started rooting for the bad guy in this last episode just because the actor has such a stronger screen presence than any of the protagonists.

Hopefully the writers will find their groove and help the actors flesh their characters out a bit more as the season progresses.
emanswfan Wrote:Oddly, enough the IGN reviews for the episodes are actually going down. Did they really like the horrifically bad pilot that much?
Dude, I'm pretty sure you're alone in drinking that haterade. I don't think anyone here's calling it the best pilot/forty-minute dramatic presentation ever, but saying it was magnitudes worse than these second and third eps is a bit cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs, IMHO. ;-)
maybe the reviews were more forgiving towards the pilot because it was still a "we don't know what this series will be"?
After 3-4 episodes one can usually tell what kind of tv series it is and with Agents of Shield it really seems like lesson of the week with a tahiti reference at the end.
I think Marvel knows what market they are targeting as this series is probably teh awesum for teenage kids going to school and talking about the newest adventures of those cool agents. from a drama perspective it is a very weak series but as a CSI: Shield it probably works fine
My mistake was probably coming from breaking bad and house of cards and thinking that general tv has evolved into more than things like Under the Dome and Shield where the conflicts are mostly episodic and immediately dealt with
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