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asterixsmeagol Wrote:How would that have worked? We already saw the Seventh Doctor regenerate into the Eighth.
As much as I like John Hurt, I would have rather seen them just use McGann in that role. He deserves more screen time!

I'm not sure I understand what you're confused about. I was agreeing with Wilhelm that Paul McGann could have been in the 50th anniversary instead of creating the war doctor specifically for the special. The original plan was to include Christopher Eccleston, but he turned down the offer, so they created the War Doctor. Why did they create the War Doctor, when Paul McGann was available and willing to reprise his role as the 8th Doctor? No idea, especially since he was used in the short film that shows him regenerate into Hurt, which means he was around, and they were thinking of him.

The above is just me reiterating what I already said. Hopefully that clears up any confusion. If not, let me know.
I think we're on the same page. I thought you were suggesting having Hurt regenerate into McCann at the end.
JNT?
Is that Nathan Turner?

As someone who did not grow up on Who and is still slowly rediscovering the classic series, I was wondering if someone would enlighten me more with their opinion on the history of the show. The different producer eras, the strengths and weakness of each, etc? Why the great divide over JNT?
bionicbob Wrote:As someone who did not grow up on Who and is still slowly rediscovering the classic series, I was wondering if someone would enlighten me more with their opinion on the history of the show. The different producer eras, the strengths and weakness of each, etc? Why the great divide over JNT?

JNT is commonly associated with the perceived deterioration of the classic series back in the day. This was at a time where the fandom had balooned and JNT was one of the first to properly interact with them...sometimes taking time out of production meetings to give interviews to fanzines and such, much to the irritation of his inner circle, led at the time by Eric Saward, his script editor. The two had a stormy relationship that just continued to spiral downwards.

JNT's era could at times be a pantomime, but it could also be fairly edgy...one story in his run has a higher death count than the first Terminator movie!

JNT would sometimes go on chat shows and announce that fans had "cheating memories"...aka they lived in a nostalgia bubble and constantly savaged the show for not being the era they grew up in...despite the fact the same problems they were bringing up probably existed back then too, but they would not admit it because of their sentiment to the eras they were raised on.

It was a series of circumstances..ageing series, entitled fanbase, biased BBC, behind-the-scenes tension, all of which contributed to the show not meeting certain expectations. No matter how creative it got, the show was in a position where it couldn't please anyone, and thus had to be cut loose to free up the schedules. The show could'nt keep up with all of the american sci-fi shows at the time either because the BBC had a stranglehold on the budgets. Period drama was all that could make the show look good by the end in that department.

And then JNT bowed out with "Dimensions in Time", the worst charity special ever, which did'nt help matters.

That said, I grew up with JNT's run, so I can never hate it...the man had his demons, his struggles, and through it all, fought a downhill battle to keep the show alive as long as he could, he made mistakes, and he also triumphed...but for all that effort, the conceited fanbase continues to conspire against him
bionicbob Wrote:The different producer eras

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I like the 70-74 Pertwee era team of Barry Letts (Producer) and Terrance Dicks (Script Editor) the best. They brought a real intelligence and political bite to the show but still packed the episodes full of OTT fun and action. They used Sci-Fi they way it should always be used to talk about current issues they cared about (like aparthied, the environment and capitalism).
For me, the best producers were Philip Hinchcliff and Robert Holmes. They made some of the best stories ever and had a dark tone which I liked and was rarely produced anything bad!
Since I did not grow up watching Who on a regular basis, this all very fascinating for me.

Interestingly, many of the Who dvds I have been collecting and enjoy are from the JNT era, as I really like Peter Davidson and I absolutely love Sylvestor McCoy, particularly his last two seasons. I love the dark, mysterious nature they gave McCoy's Doctor. I have only seen one or two serial with Colin Baker so far, and neither really interested me.

I also enjoy the Third Doctor immensely, especially during his Earthbound period.

Tom Baker is a real mixed bag for me...lol

When I compared Classic Who to NuWho, the original series feels more like science fiction to me while nuWho feels more like fantasy. The same way imo Star Wars is fantasy while Star Trek is sic-fi. Both are great, but they are very different storytelling styles.
bionicbob Wrote:Tom Baker is a real mixed bag for me...lol.

That's understandable, the guy went through three distinct eras and producers (the more gothic Holmes/Hinchecliffe, the light hearted and fluffier Graham Williams era, and then the heavy science and fantasy-based JNT/Bidmead era) so the tone is kind of all over the place
Zarius Wrote:

Of course it does. It's a TARDIS, and she's a time traveler now. Now that The Doctor's told her it needs to be located on the other side of the hill, it will be in time for the events of season six.

Ahhh ok. I see what you mean. Still a bit of an eye roll, but it's probably because I just wasn't a fan of the episode overall. Thanks for clarifying that plot point for me!
asterixsmeagol Wrote:How would that have worked? We already saw the Seventh Doctor regenerate into the Eighth.
As much as I like John Hurt, I would have rather seen them just use McGann in that role. He deserves more screen time!

I felt the same way. When the finale prior to the 50th aired and we saw someone from behind, I stood up and shouted at the TV to let it be the 8th Doctor, then Hurt turned around and I was like WTF?

I loved the 50th special, it just leaves a knot in my stomach that McGann could've had his well deserved moment to be in the actual TV series and not left to do an online prequel special to make room for Hurt. ESPECIALLY since Eccleston refused to appear. His Doctor was treated better than McGann's who has been an awesome sport about getting shafted.