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wilhelm scream Wrote:I think Hell Bent is one of the worst Doctor Who episodes ever!

Sounds like blind hatred to me. Any reason why you thought it was the worst ever?
You were also the one who spoiled a big reveal in a recent episode for a lot of people in this thread, I'm starting to think you just have no respect for the show or people who enjoy it. If you post spoilers, use the spoiler tags! It's not hard, I do it on my mobile phone without even using a real keyboard, I know you can do it too.
musiced921 Wrote:

But he said something to the effect that it was in the wrong place. Something like "wasn't this located on the other side of that hill." I get the timey whimey, but that doesn't make sense even with timey whimey.


Of course it does. It's a TARDIS, and she's a time traveler now. Now that The Doctor's told her it needs to be located on the other side of the hill, it will be in time for the events of season six.
addiesin Wrote:Sounds like blind hatred to me. Any reason why you thought it was the worst ever?
You were also the one who spoiled a big reveal in a recent episode for a lot of people in this thread, I'm starting to think you just have no respect for the show or people who enjoy it. If you post spoilers, use the spoiler tags! It's not hard, I do it on my mobile phone without even using a real keyboard, I know you can do it too.

I feel really offended by your comment. For a start, I don't know how to use spoiler tags and I didn't mean to spoil anything, I assumed people wouldn't read this thread without seeing the latest episode first.

I do have respect for the show! I just think it's getting as bad as when JNT was producer! In fact it's even worse! I will never forget watching the 50th anniversary special on the day it was broadcast, and I couldn't feel anything but disappointment from it. It just had a cop out ending which undid what RTD had done for the show since it re-launched in 2005. It also made a bunch of bad decisions.

For example: Why was there a need to create the War Doctor? He could have been the 8th doctor as he was only in 1 TV story and it would explain why he was never mentioned in the revival. Also, why were the Zygons there!? That had nothing to do with the story and were just there so Moffat could do another infamous question which would take ages for it to be answered! But the worst thing was cutting short the regeneration! Even if Eccleston had said no, they could have just used a picture of him! (As This video proves it was possible:

For me, Steven Moffat is ruining the show with his UN-necessary story arcs and confusing story telling which is UN-enjoyable and might get the show cancelled!

As for why I hate Hell Bent: This explains perfectly why it's terrible!: https://www.facebook.com/MrTARDISreviews...8026352444
Mr.TARDIS is an idiot. People like him like the show to a point, then they outgrow it, but unfortunately hang on just to nitpick at everything, and make complete hypocrites out of themselves. "Oh I love that the show is all about change and renewal...what's this? THE SHOW CHANGED SOMETHING? RAGE" they need to stop wanting everything to fit within their comfort zones. Or, better yet, lighten up and stop taking this show so seriously. It's always been completely naff and has done just as many divisive things in the past to it's own canon.

And JNT running the ship was never as bad as modern "fans" pretend it was.

And don't act like people weren't doing the same thing back when RTD was in charge. I've been in the trenches a long time with these over-entitled elitists.
wilhelm scream Wrote:I feel really offended by your comment. For a start, I don't know how to use spoiler tags and I didn't mean to spoil anything, I assumed people wouldn't read this thread without seeing the latest episode first.

I'm sorry to offend, that was not my intent. If you don't know how to use the spoiler tag, I'll explain. use these brackets [tag] and replace the word 'tag' with the word 'spoiler'. Then add your text content after the brackets. After the text content, use these brackets with the slash to close the tag [/tag] and again, replace the word 'tag' with the word 'spoiler'. Alternatively, hit the 'Reply' button on a post that has a spoiler tag and just copy what that person did.
Unfortunately as evidenced by the replies to your spoiler post, some people didn't even click on the thread and were still spoiled. It is a legitimate concern.

Quote:I do have respect for the show! I just think it's getting as bad as when JNT was producer! In fact it's even worse! I will never forget watching the 50th anniversary special on the day it was broadcast, and I couldn't feel anything but disappointment from it. It just had a cop out ending which undid what RTD had done for the show since it re-launched in 2005. It also made a bunch of bad decisions.

For example: Why was there a need to create the War Doctor? He could have been the 8th doctor as he was only in 1 TV story and it would explain why he was never mentioned in the revival. Also, why were the Zygons there!? That had nothing to do with the story and were just there so Moffat could do another infamous question which would take ages for it to be answered! But the worst thing was cutting short the regeneration! Even if Eccleston had said no, they could have just used a picture of him! (As This video proves it was possible: [video]

For me, Steven Moffat is ruining the show with his UN-necessary story arcs and confusing story telling which is UN-enjoyable and might get the show cancelled!

I can appreciate that you don't like some of Moffat's and the show's choices, and in some ways I agree. The 8th doctor could have been utilized in lieu of the 9th since Eccleston really didn't want to show up. Paul McGann was obviously willing to make an appearance, hence his turning up in the short 'The Night of the Doctor'. I think Moffat's got an obsession with giving the audience what they would never expect, and sometimes this turns out for the worse instead of for the better. However, I disagree with your opinion that it's disappointing, awful, terrible, unenjoyable, etc. I use those words when I'm not entertained and/or when the story doesn't make any sense, and I felt like the story did make sense and was entertaining for the majority of the current season.
Anyway, I much prefer this kind of reasoning for why you feel so negatively instead of just saying you hate something. Thank you for that.

Quote:As for why I hate Hell Bent: This explains perfectly why it's terrible!: https://www.facebook.com/MrTARDISreviews...8026352444

I see that this reviewer doesn't seem to be a fan of Doctor Who anymore. I am sorry if you feel that way and still continue to watch, that must be painful. I know the feeling, I'm still watching Gotham even though deep down I feel like it has a lot of problems that could harm the character and setting of Batman and Gotham respectively. The show isn't for me but my wife likes it because it resembles her favorite crime procedural shows, and I end up along for the ride because I'm so glad she's interested in anything remotely related to science fiction and superheroes. I don't share my opinion of Gotham very often because I don't like wasting time explaining my views or talking about a thing I don't even enjoy all that much. But if I do express my frustrations with it, I like to think I justify my opinions with examples or reasoning.

That's all I'm asking of you. Not to "try to do better than Moffat" which I've seen people suggest and think is ridiculous. Not to "stop watching because it's clearly not for you" because as I've experienced sometimes you just can't pull yourself away even if you're not enjoying a thing. But to be expressive and open to actually discussing what you see as problems, because sometimes that can be the best kind of discussion. Even if we don't agree, we can understand each other.
Zarius Wrote:JNT running the ship was never as bad as modern "fans" pretend it was.

^ This.

A few months back I watched 1984's 'The Caves of Androzani' (Series 20 closer and oft cited as the best ever) and 'The Twin Dilemma' (Series 21 opener and oft cited as the worst ever) and I couldn't see any difference in quality? Both were fab IMO. Also JNT helmed many of the best stories. However, he did decide Bonnie Langford was a good choice for a companion (See video below)... so on balance he should probably be hated and scorned :-D.

Mel scream supercut (Like nails on the proverbial blackboard)...

ARRRRRRRRGH.

(great, now it's infectious)
It's ironic when you think about it. JNT produced the best and worst Doctor Who story ever. Also, if he wasn't as bad as fans say he is then how come he made all these mistakes?

-changed everything with season 18

-didn't finish Shada

-hired Christopher Bidmed as the script writer

-replaced Nicola Briant with Bonnie Langford

-have the entire of season 23 be a trial season

-make the 6th doctor wear a costume that was probably born in a tans-mat accident

-make some major editing errors (this mainly applies to Curse Of Fenric and Ghost Light)

-not show the actual transition between the actors and obscure it with bright lights

-turn Doctor Who into a kids show

-Have most stories have terrible 1-word titles

and the biggest error of all...

-get the show cancelled, TWICE!
wilhelm scream Wrote:It's ironic when you think about it. JNT produced the best and worst Doctor Who story ever. Also, if he wasn't as bad as fans say he is then how come he made all these mistakes?

-changed everything with season 18

Define "everything".

wilhelm scream Wrote:-didn't finish Shada

...despite his best and repeated efforts.

wilhelm scream Wrote:-have the entire of season 23 be a trial season

A creative response to DG Michael Grade trying to wreck the show.

wilhelm scream Wrote:-not show the actual transition between the actors and obscure it with bright lights

Was he supposed to force Colin Baker at gun point?

wilhelm scream Wrote:-turn Doctor Who into a kids show

It is/was primarily a kids a show.

wilhelm scream Wrote:-Have most stories have terrible 1-word titles

Like 'Shada'?

wilhelm scream Wrote:and the biggest error of all...

-get the show cancelled, TWICE!

Or to put it another way... he fought to keep Doctor Who alive against a hostile BBC Director General (Who even went on air to say he wanted to end Doctor Who). It got cancelled when it was on a high creatively IMO. He couldn't of saved it.
addiesin Wrote:The 8th doctor could have been utilized in lieu of the 9th since Eccleston really didn't want to show up. Paul McGann was obviously willing to make an appearance, hence his turning up in the short 'The Night of the Doctor'.
How would that have worked? We already saw the Seventh Doctor regenerate into the Eighth.
As much as I like John Hurt, I would have rather seen them just use McGann in that role. He deserves more screen time!