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bionicbob Wrote:Here's some behind the scenes info....



Has anyone watched any of the other DW independent spin-offs?
The Autons?
Shakedown?
Any thoughts or recommendations?

Hey Bob,

I've seen quite a few of them back when they first came out. The Auton series of fan films was pretty decent... Shakedown was OK, but some of the acting was dodgy to say the least. Downtime was fun, but again suffered from inconsistent acting and a lacklustre script. Dont expect them to be up to the standard of actual Who episodes ... That way you will enjoy them more.
I tend to agree about Downtime, both the good and the bad, but Nicholas Courtney was so good (as always) as the Brig that it forgives a multitude of shortcomings.

I really rather liked Mindgame and its sequel, Mindgames Trilogy. This may be because I had just seen The Time Warrior and Frontier in Space as part of my attempt to watch all of Pertwee's episodes (still have the last few of Planet of the Spiders to go), and the independent releases both feature a Sontaran and a Draconian (and Sophie Aldred as a human pilot who is very strongly implied to be Ace).

I think the Draconians would make a good race to pop up again in the new era -- very underexplored with lots of potential, almost a cross between Romulans and Klingons in their ethics and code of honor.

And the Sontaran, while woefully dim in Mindgame, is considerably more interesting in Mindgames, and I think his characterization is a good bridge between classic Who and NuWho Sontarans.

I don't think either of these is "classic," necessarily, but they're better than they deserve to be given the budget, particularly from the commitment each of the actors brings and some better-than-average dialogue from veteran Doctor Who screenwriter Terrance Dicks.

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Very interesting! Now I want to watch these lost gems even more. I think most of them are on Youtube.

How about the series P.R.O.B.E. ? Looking it up online, apparently it was written by Mark Gatiss?
Don't know if people have seen/remember these Mark Gatiss Who sketches from 1999's 'Doctor Who Night' but they're well worth a watch (Especially the 3rd one)...





I personally never cared for fan-made Doctor Who spin-offs!
I saw Downtime a while back. The script was kind of muddled, but (as others have noted) it's great to see familiar old faces back, like the Brig, Sarah Jane, and (not mentioned as much) Victoria Waterfield and Prof. Travers, plus the now-canon introduction of Kate Lethbridge-Stewart.

I'm glad that Doctor Who is popular enough now to warrant new video releases of little odd gems like this!
After the high watermark of Series 8... sadly S9 so far has ranged from weak to awful IMO. But good-gravy, this evening's episode 6 has to be one of the best Who episodes ever! :-)


It was mostly just two "sort of immortal" beings talking to each other about life, death and loss. Maisie Williams' performance was outstanding, as was Rufus Hound's turn (I usually can't stand the guy) and both played it so beautifully tragic. I almost had a tear in my eye when The Doctor and Clara hugged at the end, after the emotional stuff he'd been through. I hope we see more Maisie Williams in future Who episodes.

[SPOILER]She will be in at least one future episode. Yay!
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Please BBC, commision Catherine Tregenna to write more episodes like this... and Steven Moffat to never write anymore ;-).
TM2YC Wrote:After the high watermark of Series 8... sadly S9 so far has ranged from weak to awful IMO.

The range of opinions is fascinating to me. I really (really) disliked series 8, but I have been enjoying series 9 so far.
ThrowgnCpr Wrote:The range of opinions is fascinating to me. I really (really) disliked series 8, but I have been enjoying series 9 so far.
Doing multiple two part stories has helped immensely. There's no reason to rush, and the extra time has allowed for some good characters to grow.
ThrowgnCpr Wrote:The range of opinions is fascinating to me. I really (really) disliked series 8, but I have been enjoying series 9 so far.

Couldn't have said it better myself. My wife and I are enjoying the Doctor again as opposed to last year which felt a little bit like a chore after a while.