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Well it is the random movie thoughts thread, and I think that definitely qualifies!
Dont eat anything while watching The Host. Just dont.
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Quote:while it may be interpreted as an anti-fascist/anti-cult parable, it also draws most of its power from the same conformist, hyper-masculine ideology.
Nathan Rabin is completely right about this. (And it's interesting to see how a lot of people love Fight Club for all the wrong reasons.) I fail to see, however, why having this weird dynamic in a film is a bad thing. It's what makes it interesting. Why does it have to believe in its own "power"? Depicting it should be enough.

To put it in a different way: The minute you understand that Chuck Palahniuk (and Fincher) may not actually be cheering Tyler on, is the minute it goes from entertaining spectacle to genuine food for thought. He doesn't just pull the narrative rug out from under the viewers, he pulls the ideological rug too. That's why the twist - which seemed gimmicky to me on first viewing - is essential, and it's why I don't buy Ebert's and Rabin's conclusions. (Both have good points, and are interesting to read, though.)
looks like Kill Bill - The Whole Bloody Affair might finally get officially released, and even more scenes than planned:

http://www.slashfilm.com/tarantinos-kill...m-prepped/
That's absolutely brilliant news, and about god-damn-time!
This is pretty damn cool, and surprisingly cheap:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/movie-bar-codes/
TV's Frink Wrote:This is pretty damn cool, and surprisingly cheap:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/movie-bar-codes/

very cool!!!
Fight Club spoilers here!

Gaith Wrote:Roger Ebert:"...a feisty chain-smoking hellcat [character Marla Singer] who is probably so angry because none of the guys thinks having sex with her is as much fun as a broken nose...."
Wait a sec - when did Marla ever see "the guys"? All she ever saw was Edward Norton's 'Narrator' character. Tyler Durden does not exist, and she only saw anyone from Project Mayhem when she stopped into the house one time, and later when they retrieve her from the Greyhound bus and bring her to the Narrator in the empty skyscraper. She's angry (more miserable, was my understanding) because she hasn't led a life worth living. And she's lonely. She acts-out for attention.

Gaith Wrote:Nathan Rabin, AV Club: "Everything about it conveys a smug, adolescent nihilism that's as emotionally powerful as it is shallow, and while it may be interpreted as an anti-fascist/anti-cult parable, it also draws most of its power from the same conformist, hyper-masculine ideology."
Who interprets this as an anti-fascist parable or a warning against cults? Is that a common take on the movie? I thought it was much more about being comfortable with who you are, living a life you will feel satisfied with, taking chances toward your goals, abandoning the notions of consumer society, rejecting advertising's mission, resisting corporate monopoly of culture, and accepting death as inevitable & not to be feared. Nihilism? It's hardly nihilistic. The narrator's alter-ego tells him to re-make himself, and he does, and the alter-ego very nearly comes to takeover the actual person. This movie is about sanity, and losing it, but also (or in doing so) giving-up on the superfluous things that we allow or even choose to be bound with.

Gaith Wrote:Why does the unnamed protagonist ...not forget all about Tyler Durden and lose himself in the delights of such a lithe and pliant barbie doll of a Hollywood Love Interst? The movie doesn't bother to offer an explanation, which can only be interpreted to mean: "because the plot requires him not to."
Norton's character had no girlfriend, no pornos, no calendar pin-up girl, no calling a phone-sex 900-number - could it be that he just isn't a highly sexual person, or that he's so buried in working, and striving to attain that one more bit of completion (the new shelf, the latest hi-tech saltshaker, the coolest dining table) toward perfection that he just doesn't really live, I mean really live, or even interact with anyone? Who are his friends? A single one is not shown. And he is constantly traveling, fails to get adequate sleep, frequently deals with death and injury found suddenly as the result of corporate greed and disregard - might these factor explain the psychotic break he undergoes, resulting in the formation of a drastically different personality he elects to 'follow' and have lead him?

It's not that the plot requires Norton to stay unaware of his delusion about Pitt, it's that the audience does; if I wanted to see a movie about a character having a mental problem and getting treatment and recovering in the typical, common ways, I'd TiVo the Lifetime Network for a couple days. There are movies about mental disorders and their treatments; to me, this is another, but the story Palahniuk gave us has the character go untreated and venture so far from his day-to-day world with his schizoid personality, that is why I like this film.

Gaith Wrote:I gave up a bit more than part-way through
Oh, well that explains a lot. If you're not bothered by the spoilers above, maybe you should watch the whole thing. You'd have a better ground for your critique, if you still hold that position by the end.
Oh, I've read all the spoilers. I knew the big spoiler going in, actually. Smile

veggieguy12 Wrote:Norton's character had no girlfriend, no pornos, no calendar pin-up girl, no calling a phone-sex 900-number - could it be that he just isn't a highly sexual person, or that he's so buried in working, and striving to attain that one more bit of completion (the new shelf, the latest hi-tech saltshaker, the coolest dining table) toward perfection that he just doesn't really live, I mean really live, or even interact with anyone? Who are his friends? A single one is not shown. And he is constantly traveling, fails to get adequate sleep, frequently deals with death and injury found suddenly as the result of corporate greed and disregard - might these factor explain the psychotic break he undergoes, resulting in the formation of a drastically different personality he elects to 'follow' and have lead him?

... maybe you should watch the whole thing.
That's what you said. Here's my mental gut reaction:

veggieguy12 Wrote:Norton's character is that of a boring idiot.

... maybe you should watch the whole thing.
Not going to finish a movie that bored me about a boring protagonist, sorry. Wink
don't waste your time. just go watch Fired Up again!!!