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I created a new thread so we can openly discuss the new season and not have to continually use spoiler tags.

Now, to comment on 's thoughts from the spoilery post here.

Quote:The Glass Box:
I think this is owned and operated by Audrey Horne, currently a wheelchair-bound anonymous millionaire/billionaire.

I've seen this theory floated around elsewhere, though I find it hard to understand why Audrey would be hunting for Cooper. She had a schoolgirl crush on him in the original series, but by the end she was sort of with John Wheeler even though he left to deal with a partners murder. Why would she be hunting for Cooper all this time? Why would she be delving into the supernatural? She doesn't seem the type to go that route. Unless... maybe someone got to her, someone like Annie who'd been in the Black Lodge? Maybe she convinced Audrey of its existence. But then why talk to Audrey? The two never really spoke. If it is Audrey I want a reasonable explanation of why she's been looking for him with a mysterious glass box.

Quote:What is Missing:
Cooper's soul. Hawk will find him in the casino, which has something to do with Hawk's heritage.

I haven't re-watched episode 3 or 4 yet. Is the casino run by or does it have a Native American connection? And what could possibly be missing from the Cooper files that would direct Hawk to find Cooper at a Las Vegas casino?

Quote:The Murder:
I think the headless corpse is Garland Briggs, and the clue is not subtle. His disembodied head literally floats past Cooper and says Blue Rose, the term used for supernatural cases, like the murder. I think Mr. C is the killer, as evidenced by his shooting the suspect's wife through the eye, this matches the wound on the corpseless head.

I didn't connect the disembodied head with the headless corpse. Interesting theory. If the story takes place in the present, however, how did Mr. C keep his body so "fresh" for lack of a better word? If Briggs was killed a few weeks after the events of season 2 then I'd expect a corpse to be in worse shape after 25 years. Unless my theory of multiple time periods. But then again, if that time period happened in the past it certainly doesn't look like the early 90's, so that doesn't necessarily work.

Speaking the suspects wife, remember Mr. C says to her right before killing her? "You follow human nature perfectly." So was this another Black Lodge inhabitant or something else?

Quote:Bob and Cooper:
Traditional Bob has been missing for practical reasons, Frank Silva died so he couldn't return. Many theorized we'd see him return with a new face. But it's confusing; he possesses people and also people have doppelgangers. So who is Mr. C? I think Bob combined himself with Cooper's doppleganger and after 25 years he is too attached to the physical body, separating will kill Bob. He is both Bob AND the doppleganger.

This is one of the more confusing aspects of dopplegangers and Bob. We saw the doppleganger leave the Black Lodge but then saw Bob's reflection in the bathroom mirror at the end of season 2, so I always assumed Bob and the dopplegangers were ultimately the same. A melding of the doppleganger and Bob would certainly make a more potent adversary.

Quote:Dougie:
A decoy made by Bob in case Cooper figured out how to escape? Or a hard drive containing Cooper's soul in a convenient gold marble package?

The decoy is what I think too, and the One Armed Man pretty much said it as well. Bob created Dougie as sort of a firewall for himself to prevent being pulled back into the Black Lodge. He was supposed to go back when the Good Dale returned to the real world, but Dougie went in his place.

Quote:Q2, I like the alternate timeline idea, as the Secret History of Twin Peaks book written by Mark Frost apparently had a lot of discrepancies with the show and with real life history, and Mark Frost said "all will be revealed in time" and basically that the inconsistencies were intentional. Maybe this timeline never had Cooper and had Dougie instead?

Time period, not time line. I don't think we're in an alternate universe. I think we're in different time periods. 

Quote:Jeffries:
I know David Lynch approached David Bowie in January 2015 and was one of the first to find out about the illness that took his life. David Bowie is not listed in the cast. But wouldn't it be amazing if they managed to sneak in a few short scenes for Bowie's final surprise performance? They keep mentioning his character, I feel like it is going somewhere. And that would be the ultimate payoff.

I would love to see Bowie make an appearance, even if it was just VO on a phone. There was a five month period between when they started shooting and his death, so it wouldn't surprise me if Lynch worked with him a day or two.

Quote:Michael Cera's cameo:
WTF, Lynch? That was a four minute scene of one character talking, and it was more confusing than literally anything else so far. However, I have seen the theory that Lucy's son talking like a buffoon indicates that the real father was Dick Tremaine, and I'm inclined to agree. I've also seen the theory that Lucy, and to a lesser extent, Andy, is stuck in time because their baby actually died as an infant and the character we see was hired by the sheriff to give them closure. I think it's a fun theory but unlikely.

I would say unlikely. I've seen a lot of people didn't like it and a lot that do. I'm in the camp that liked it. For as dark as this season has been thus far it was sort of nice to have a break from it with something quirky.

Quote:Non-existent:
Where was Cooper when he left the Red Room? I think that outer space place is the full on Black Lodge proper. The Red Room connects the Black Lodge and the White Lodge, as evidenced by the floor pattern. The Non Existent Room is a neat comparison point for the Red Room.

This is my assumption too. Remember The Little Man From Another Place said of the red draped area "This is the waiting room." As you suggest it's a place that connects the White and Black Lodges.

And on a rewatch this also might allude to what happened to Laura in the Waiting Room. She pulled her face off and she was pure white energy/light. She tried to help Cooper and was pulled up and away. It looked painful, but maybe it was anger, like she didn't want to go yet? She goes up to the White Lodge while Cooper descends through space into the Black Lodge.

Quote:I think even though the actress there is the same one who played Ronette Pulaski, that she is actually "the magician [who] longs to see" from the FWWM poem. The glass box demon was "mother" and was definitely chasing/following real Cooper. What all of that means is anyone's guess.

It was definitely the same actress, but I didn't even think that the creature who killed the couple on the couch was Mother. Makes sense though, and strengthens my thought that we're watching the show unfold in a non-linear fashion.
The first hour left me worried. The early 4-minute silent scene showing a guy changing the battery on a digital camera felt like something designed to make "fair weather" viewers switch off. If I shot a 4-minute scene of me changing the battery on my camera, with some rumbling soundFX I found on soundcloud added over the top, you'd all call me an idiot. But with Lynch it must be genius? It smacked of the Emperor's new clothes. Lynch having a joke. Seeing how long he could make his excited and nostalgic returning viewers watch the unwatchable.

However, I've now watched the first 4(ish)hours and I've really started to enjoy the show more and more  Smile . During the second hour I twigged that "The Return" title refers to Cooper and less the show's status, once I realised the whole 10 episodes are probably going to be just about Cooper's "odyssey" back to reality, I understood where it was going and was fully on-board. I'm theorising that the tone of the show is going to slowly morph back into "warm and cosy" Twin Peaks by the end, after starting out cold and dead in episode 1. Like equilibrium is restored. I'm picturing the last scene of episode 10 being Coop and friends in the Double-R Diner eating cherry pie and drinking coffee... but I'm probably waaaaaay off base.

The CGI and green screen (in episode 3 especially) is absolutely abysmal. So bad that I started to think it was a deliberate artistic choice to unsettle and alienate the viewer.

Favourite parts include...

- All the confusion over the key to the murder scene apartment
- Michael Cera's turn as almost-literally Marlon Brando
- All the scenes between Any, Lucy and Hawk
- The talk between Gordon and Denise
- Every second of confused Dougie so far
(05-29-2017, 03:57 PM)TM2YC Wrote: [ -> ]I'm theorising that the tone of the show is going to slowly morph back into "warm and cosy" Twin Peaks by the end, after starting out cold and dead in episode 1. Like equilibrium is restored.

I have a similar theory. Everything is going to slowly shift back to something more familiar once Cooper comes back.

Quote:The CGI and green screen (in episode 3 especially) is absolutely abysmal. So bad that I started to think it was a deliberate artistic choice to unsettle and alienate the viewer.

It's definitely low-fi, but then again it mirrors Lynch's more obscure shorts that he's done alone over the years. He doesn't seem to care if the CG is glossy, he prefers more low quality looking stuff.
Really interesting thoughts, guys. I'm trying to formulate coherent and concise responses but wanted to say, isn't it 18 episodes? Basically nine new two hour Lynch films in the twin Peaks universe. I do think it's about Cooper returning to Twin Peaks and Twin Peaks returning to normalcy in return, for now. But I think that'll happen in a matter of a few episodes, or by the halfway point episode 9, and then it's something else that has to be taken care of.
To start, I'll first day that most of my theories are grasping at straws.

(05-28-2017, 10:36 AM)Q2 Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:The Glass Box:Audrey Horne

I've seen this theory floated around elsewhere, though I find it hard to understand why Audrey would be hunting for Cooper.
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 If it is Audrey I want a reasonable explanation of why she's been looking for him with a mysterious glass box.
Good points. I just feel like they're hiding her like she's going to be a big reveal when she finally appears in screen. We know from the cast list she's showing up eventually. That's all I've got.

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Quote:What is Missing:
Cooper's soul. Hawk will find him in the casino

I haven't re-watched episode 3 or 4 yet. Is the casino run by or does it have a Native American connection? And what could possibly be missing from the Cooper files that would direct Hawk to find Cooper at a Las Vegas casino?
No connection at all presented so far, I'm taking a stab in the dark. Are we sure the something missing is in the files? What if it's more like Cooper is supposed to be there, he belongs, but he's physically missing? Something simple like that. They could find one of his old tapes where he spelled out his intent to purchase property in Twin Peaks and stay there. 

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Quote:The Murder:
The headless corpse is Garland Briggs

...If the story takes place in the present, however, how did Mr. C keep his body so "fresh" for lack of a better word? If Briggs was killed a few weeks after the events of season 2 then I'd expect a corpse to be in worse shape after 25 years. ...
I think Bob could have kept the body in The Black Lodge or in some weird kind of stasis. Not sure.

Quote:Speaking the suspects wife, remember Mr. C says to her right before killing her? "You follow human nature perfectly." So was this another Black Lodge inhabitant or something else?
I don't remember that, I'll have to rewatch. Very interesting though.



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Quote:Q2, I like the alternate timeline idea, as the Secret History of Twin Peaks book written by Mark Frost apparently had a lot of discrepancies with the show and with real life history, and Mark Frost said "all will be revealed in time" and basically that the inconsistencies were intentional. Maybe this timeline never had Cooper and had Dougie instead?

Time period, not time line. I don't think we're in an alternate universe. I think we're in different time periods. 
Could you elaborate on this idea? Just a little bit? It's neat.

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Quote:Michael Cera's cameo

I would say unlikely. I've seen a lot of people didn't like it and a lot that do. I'm in the camp that liked it. For as dark as this season has been thus far it was sort of nice to have a break from it with something quirky.
I didn't hate it, but it seriously confused me. Really just the Brando lisp/impersonation and the run-on dialogue.
addiesin Wrote:What is Missing:
Cooper's soul. Hawk will find him in the casino.

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No connection at all presented so far, I'm taking a stab in the dark. Are we sure the something missing is in the files? What if it's more like Cooper is supposed to be there, he belongs, but he's physically missing? Something simple like that. They could find one of his old tapes where he spelled out his intent to purchase property in Twin Peaks and stay there.

On a second watch through I did notice that the good Coop, when talking the the casino owner/boss/manager in his office, Cooper keeps staring a the red dice pen holder. I'm thinking it's a nod to One-Eyed Jacks. Maybe a fragment of a memory for Coop?

Q2 Wrote:Time period, not time line. I don't think we're in an alternate universe. I think we're in different time periods. 

addiesin Wrote:Could you elaborate on this idea? Just a little bit? It's neat.

Based on the idea that Mother is following Cooper and killed the couple watching the box, which makes perfect sense by the way, I just think we're seeing events in different time periods. I have no exact timeline but, for example, the stuff in South Dakota could take place in 2005 and the events in NY, Vegas, Cole and all that stuff could be happening in 2015. What's to say everything has to be happening the same year? They could be bouncing around.

Also, on a second viewing, Bad Coop is right where he wants to be. I don't think he intended to be arrested, but he was definitely headed to the federal prison to find his contact for the coordinates.
I just came across this little observation. During the interrogation scene someone noticed Cooper says, "Yrev Very". A neat little thing only Lynch would come up with. 

That reminded me, when I mentioned my favourite parts, I forgot...


Quote:Albert - "Agent Preston gets car sick"
Gordon - "Albert, we're in South Dakota. Cossacks are in Russia"
Albert - "CAR SICK!!!"


If I'd have been drinking coffee, I would have spat it out while laughing.
Well this is interesting...



And I love the CC: Intense ominous whooshing.
Who were the hitmen trying to off Dougie working for? Were they hired by someone wanting to send Mr C to the Black Lodge when Cooper exited through the 3PM/1500 socket?
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