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All hail Linda Hamilton, giver of zero effs! Just watch how she replies when asked how Dark Fate is, at the five-minute mark:



She passes it off as a joke a (long) moment later, but... I see you, Ms. Hamilton. I see you.  Cool

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So Tim Miller has said: "The things they seemed to hate the most about the movie, were things I can't control. I can't control you didn't like Genysis or you felt betrayed by Terminator 4. I can't help that." Maybe not, Tim, but you didn't have to show the future war in daylight as Salvation did, and you didn't have to overload the second half of your movie with just as much meaningless, OTT action noise as Genysis. And Carl is pretty much Genysis' Pops 2.0 - as much as I enjoyed the character, you didn't have to do another cuddly Arnold, assuming you were required to include him at all. (He could have played the human T-101 template, for instance, which due to the Sgt. Candy scene being cut from T3, has never appeared on the big screen.) It can definitely be argued that to bring Linda Hamilton back but keep Arnold around is to miss a great opportunity to emphasize her return even further.

As for the future war, I've been thinking that surely the night battles of T1/2 don't make logical sense - wouldn't human bodies be much easier to spot with infrared (which Reese mentions in T1) at night? So surely humans would be better off fighting during the day, when they themselves could see - and yet the flash-forward nightmares of night fighting is vastly more atmospheric and cinematic. It's one reason to show the future as little as possible, to avoid getting caught up in that paradox. Indeed, the scene of future Dani winning over the murderous drifters was meant to be a key dramatic moment, but it was just weak.

(In Cameron's original T2 screenplay, much of the human army that ultimately prevails over Skynet is South American, from regions not as hit by the Cold War nuclear targets, which is why the American flag in T3's flash-forward is so out of place. Dark Fate finally brings a Hispanic flavor to the future war proceedings with Dani, but still falls short in that regard...)
I'd never seen this crazy T3 deleted scene before...



That fact that it was even considered for more than a nanosecond (never mind being actually filmed) tells you everything about why this franchise has gone off the rails so badly.
(05-29-2020, 08:56 AM)TM2YC Wrote: [ -> ]I'd never seen this crazy T3 deleted scene before...

Couldn't agree more, that scene feels like it belongs in one of the RoboCop sequels.
(05-29-2020, 08:56 AM)TM2YC Wrote: [ -> ]That fact that it was even considered for more than a nanosecond (never mind being actually filmed) tells you everything about why this franchise has gone off the rails so badly.

As one who unapologetically loves T3, iffy humor and and all, I can only proffer that in comedy, one sometimes has to go too far to see where is far enough...  Cool
(11-05-2019, 01:28 AM)Moe_Syzlak Wrote: [ -> ]I haven’t seen the movie and likely won’t (at least until it’s free to watch in some format), but the entire Terminator franchise has always been plagued by huge plot holes. I mean John’s very existence is a plot hole. And the whole reason Arnold has skin in the first one is thrown out the window in the second one. And on and on. I think you have to simply enjoy the ride with these movies and not think about them too much.

I finally watched this as it’s finally free to me. I thought it was fine. I’m not a huge fan of the series and after T3, I’m not even sure I’ve seen the other movies. T2 has always been the best for me by a wide margin. The original works, of course, brilliantly well, but is more of a straight slasher movie with a twist. T2 feels weightier. And that is generally my issue here. For folks that just want the over-the-top action sequences held together by a thin plot, I think it’s fine. And honestly, beyond some early allusions to machines taking jobs, it doesn’t really feel like it aspires to be anything more. Which is fine. But it does feel like a missed opportunity. Machines taking jobs would’ve been a good theme (particularly if it was expanded) for 1992, but in 2020 (or 2019 whatever) when social media and bots are arguably controlling our thoughts, it feels like a missed opportunity. The whole movie, especially given its desire to supposedly right the wrongs of other sequels, doesn’t seem to have a reason to exist beyond a thrill ride.
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