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The trailer makes the series look like a high budget fan film. uggg.
(05-18-2017, 01:55 PM)TM2YC Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-17-2017, 06:20 PM)bionicbob Wrote: [ -> ]they keep saying this a prequel to the Prime Universe but I dunno... it sure looks Kelvin to me.

Aren't they technically the same thing? If this takes place before the timeline was changed.

Sorta.
Maybe.
Yes and no.

Tongue

I am about to get grumpy old fanboy-trek-nerdy for a moment.... LOL

I loved Star Trek 2009!!!  LOVE!!!!!   But the time period presented on screen aboard the USS Kelvin (BEFORE the appearance of Nero's ship), in terms of ship design, Starfleet Uniforms and ship technology does not even remotely resemble the time period of either TOS or the episode of "The Cage" or even the original movie series.

Of course, the easiest way to reconcile this is, "hey its a movie for a new generation and in the 60s they did not have the money to make the show look like how it should, so just go with it and pretend it always was this way."...    sort of like how we accepted the Klingon new look in the 80s without explanation...lol

But for canon nerds like me, I need a more logical in-universe explanation.... Big Grin

Theory one, when Nero and Spock emerged from the Red Matter Hole, they created an alternate time line not just moving forward, but backwards too, a ripple effect up and down the timeline, thus explaining why the time period could look different.

This theory really does not work for me for far too many reasons to list.

I tend to favour theory number two....

Nero and Spock did not create an alternate timeline, but they instead travelled to a parallel universe where events unfolded differently.  To me, from a narrative stand point just makes more sense.   

Thus, when the Discovery producers kept saying this series would take place in the Prime Universe, I was probably unrealistically half-hoping the show would have a more retro-1960s TOS look to it.    

Though there is still a part of me thinking, hey, we have not seen the Discovery bridge yet, maybe it will be more classic Trek in design?  LOL Wink
I amended my previous post slightly to clarify my own take on this franchise bionicbob, but I certainly agree that the opening scene's of J.J. Abram's STAR TREK 'reimagining' made little effort to include anything which truly reminded me of the TOS 'prime universe' stylings to begin with.  

Sure, it shows an updated version of a 'TREK-looking' ship with updated-looking bridge and crew...but it's not an updated version that really evokes the TOS-era to me - not surprising, since J.J. wasn't such a big TOS fan to begin with...but it would have made his supposed 'new timeline' change of aesthetic work more effectively if his beginning had evoked more of the TOS stylings a little more...even if they were still lathered in 'lens flares'.  As it stands, the U.S.S. Kelvin and crew have more of an updated 'Next Generation'-era look to me overall.

And like you, I prefer to think that Nero and 'prime Spock' actually entered an alternate 'parallel universe' where events had unfolded differently...as opposed to creating a whole new 'timeline'.  The movie's new 'timeline' scenario just gives the confusing impression that the 'prime TOS universe' no longer exists, as far as I'm concerned (despite what the writers and director claim) ...and I'm not going along with that! Tongue  

But instead of imagining that Nero and 'prime Spock' actually entered a 'parallel universe', there's an alternative way of looking at J.J.'s movie which equally allows the 'prime TOS universe' to remain intact in my mind - you can just imagine that the elderly 'Spock' which chases Nero is NOT the 'prime Spock' version in the first place...but rather one from an alternate 'parallel universe' to begin with, BEFORE the supposed 'timeline' split! - in fact, a 'parallel universe' where this new STAR TREK DISCOVERY show looks like it will fit right in. Big Grin

Nevertheless, there's a certain re-watchability in these 'reimagined' movies for me, so I've already had fun working out my own ideal cut-list for the first entry (and will get around to it's two sequels eventually too, sometime)
(05-20-2017, 07:09 PM)ImperialFighter Wrote: [ -> ]you can just imagine that the elderly 'Spock' which chases Nero is NOT the 'prime Spock' version in the first place...but rather one from an alternate 'parallel universe' to begin with, BEFORE the supposed 'timeline' split!

Hmmm, doesn't work for me. Spock alludes to the events of the Wrath of Kahn in Into Darkness pretty blatantly. Also, his mind meld from ST 2009 kind of puts him in the TV/Movie or "prime" era, imho. The uniforms did change for the movies in the OS too. I think they did a good job of reinvigorating the series.
(05-20-2017, 09:58 PM)DigModiFicaTion Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm, doesn't work for me. Spock alludes to the events of the Wrath of Kahn in Into Darkness pretty blatantly. Also, his mind meld from ST 2009 kind of puts him in the TV/Movie or "prime" era, imho.

That's okay, as I know it's a VERY convoluted way of looking at things, but the 2009 STAR TREK storyline already made my head hurt. Wink  

To clarify things a little, I reckon that his dialogue to young nu-Spock in 'Into Darkness' doesn't really matter...as the idea is that the elderly (non-'prime TOS universe') Spock in J.J.'s 2009 movie is MISTAKEN about believing that he and (non-'prime TOS universe') Nero have 'travelled back in time'/'entered a new timeline'...but have actually entered into another similar-looking, alternate 'parallel universe' instead...and that this elderly Spock has indeed had a previous encounter with a bad character called 'Khan Noonien Singh' in his own past...except he WASN'T the 'prime TOS universe' version seen in 'The Wrath Of Khan' movie, but rather a 'parallel universe' version of the one seen in this movie, who looked and sounded exactly the same as Benedict Cumberbatch too! - so because this elderly Spock WRONGLY thinks he's 'gone back in time' in his own universe, he is therefore wrongly led to believe that this is the exact same 'Khan' he dealt with previously...but it wasn't, and there could be quite a few things that are different concerning this particular 'Khan's past and character.  

And of course, this scenario means that the Nero character (from the same 'parallel universe' as this elderly Spock) is EQUALLY mistaken about thinking that he and his crew have 'travelled back in time' inside his own universe also...
I like the parallel universe theory. If events are unfolding similarly to the Prime universe then there's no reason and Old Spock from the parallel universe couldn't also have encountered the parallel Khan in his own past.
Watched the preview at last - agree with Throw, not impressed. Looks like shades of "Broken Bow" with the style of the Abrams movies.
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As long as it isn't overly cheesy, I'm glad to see some new Trek. If it has some good character development with compelling cultural/moral/ethical analysis ala TNG I'll be happy. I just hope the stories rise to the visuals.
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